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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Voss on January 20, 2001, 02:06:00 AM
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M26 Pershing!
Served in later part WWII. Slapped German armor with its 90mm gun! Delivered in larger numbers then the CHOG. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Voss 13th T.A.S.
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Cool tank,but we have to much US stuff as it is, A King tiger or a panther would be cool though (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Or better yet a T34 for the Russians who don't have much stuff in the game. Oh and if memory serves only 7 were actually in combat in Europe.
Brady
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[This message has been edited by brady (edited 01-20-2001).]
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Bah the M4A3E2-76 was better then the Pershing. @ 230 made, shame they didn't make more E2's.
A six inch cast turrent is nothing to sneeze at when the opposition is hurling 88's and HV 75's at you (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Even the americans rated the Pershing inferior to a Panther for Tank vs Tank.
Its just a rounded Tiger 1 basically. Only 3 years later.
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It's not a matter of how it stacks up against the Panther. The point is that it is a tool more closely matched to the German tanks than the Sherman. Plus, it has a gun that can punch a hole through any one of the German tanks.
The fact that I think you are dead WRONG! is secondary. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) I watched an interview on the History Channel that disputes your comment, anyway. So, I would like to see the Pershing here. There are plenty of armor guys, already online, that would make good use of it.
Voss 13th T.A.S.
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the pershing is a widowmaker.
it makes 3/4 widows at once
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The americans never builded a great tank untill the Abrahams!!
Good tanks where made in europe till than.
Centurion, challenger, leopard etc even the T's would have significant advantage against american tanks untill the abrahams
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I think a T-34 would be good. The Russians don't have a lot of stuff on here. It would be a nice alternative. Since we are getting a perk Tiger I think a non perk T-34 would be cool. It was the direct compitition to the Panzer IV we have now. I would like to see some armored cars added too.
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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322:
The americans never builded a great tank untill the Abrahams!!
Good tanks where made in europe till than.
Shermans delt with T-34s quite well in Korea and the Israeli M-60, M-48 and even Shermans with 105mm gun gave a pretty accounting for them selves too. I'll admit that superior crew training probably had a lot to do with that performance.
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I think a sherman tank would be better.
For every vehicle you suggest the game should have, you have to consider that it WILL NOT make the current vehicles out dated. It has to be contemporary, better in some ways, and worse in others.
The Sherman would have a smaller gun, lighter armor, but better speed than the Panzer IV-H. Perhaps even a better AA defense with a .50 cal M2 on top for the commander.
Still, if you really want a good American tank there is the improved M4A2E8-76 The -E8 means it has a different suspension and the -76 means it has the high velocity 76mm gun.
(http://www.shadowsfolly.com/images/USA/m4a1.jpg)
(http://www.shadowsfolly.com/images/USA/M4A3E8_02.jpg)
A T-34 would be nice, but should be a 75mm armed one, not the 85mm gun.
Any stronger tank should be a perk vehicle.
[This message has been edited by Hans (edited 01-20-2001).]
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I agree with the 75mm version not being perked. Anything higher should be. I also like the Sherman idea. The only reason I wouldn't want to see the Sherman added first is that we already represent 2 US and 2 German vehicles (I will admit the Germans are more powerfully represented) and no British or USSR armor.
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How about a Churchill or a T34?
(Perk tank: Joseph Stalin 2, a 75mm round would probably barely scratch the paint. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) )
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If you want a Sherman tank with a (really) good gun, look no farther than the Firefly.
"The 17-pounder gun fitted in the Sherman turret was roughly equivalent to the German Panther tank's 75mm gun. It was also slightly superior to both early model German 88mm guns like that found on the Tiger I and the 90mm tank gun as found in the US Army's M36 tank destroyer and M26 Pershing tank."
- M4 Sherman, Michael Green
Cheers
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Perked:
- Panther G
- Tiger II B
- Pershing
- SU-100
- T-34/85
- Sherman (76mm)
- Something British
Normal:
- T-34/76
- Sherman (75mm)
- StuG IV
- SU-85
- Something British
Forget about the contemporary issue...ok? We have perk points for a reason.
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Rendar
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I see you've all met BUG!
I would hate to learn, after all this time in ACM, that I had a talent for tanks. I didn't want anyone misled into thinking I was going to drive tanks! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Support? No problem!
Tanks? Forget about it!
I do know a few armor heads, though, that would probably be happy to hear the tank possibilities have grown!
Voss 13th T.A.S.
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Not to be anal or anything but T34 had 76mm gun's not 75mm guns and a couple of different 76mm tubes the early ones being lower velocity, than the latter , the 85mm tube on the T34 was comparable to the 7.5cm Kwkl48 on the Pzkfw IV in terms of AP effect.
The 76mm aka 17pounder on the Firefly would be a perked weapon due to it's quantum range and kill power increase over the current 7.5cm Kwk l48, the tube on the Panther is of comparable performance, Of course the Firefly share's the same chief fault of the Sherman, it is an easy kill, pore armor and big target.
really when all things are considered the T34 would be a good choice,it would give the Russians another unit and they need one and it would be a great tank, a WAY better one than the Sherman and it would not upset the balance of the current set.
Brady
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Sherman or T-34, forget the heavies, all of 'em are too slow to survive in a treeless high air threat environment, I like the idea of armored cars, since most German AC's came with the 2cm as standerd armament, and it could elevate to engage aircraft, gimme an 8 rad and see what fun is. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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I'm just talking the same crap u talk about the P38 and i'm gonna be hardheaded in it.
With strong believes in my opinion
S! chaps
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TANKS
Standard:
Panzer IV (have it German)
Jagdpanzer IV mit 75mm Stuk 42 (German)
Cromwell IV (British)
Sentinel AC4 (Australia)
Ram MkI (Canadian)
Sherman 76mm (US)
T-34 76.2mm (USSR)
SOMUA S-35 (France)
Chi-Nu Type 3 w/75mm (Japan)
Perk:
Panzer V Panther (German)
Panzer VI Tiger I (German)
Panzer VI Tiger II (German)
Jagdtiger (German)
Churchill Mk VIII (British)
Jumbo Sherman (US)
M26 (US)
M18 (US) Not the best armor but it hulled bellybutton (55mph) and 76mm.
T-34 w/85mm (USSR)
IS-2 w/122mm (USSR)
HALF TRACKS
Standard:
M3 (we have it US)
M16 (we have it US)
SdKfz 10 w/22mm Flak 30 (German)
SdKfz 250/10 w/37mm Pak 35/36 (German)
ARMOURED CARS:
Standard:
SdKfz 222 w/20mm (German)
M8 (US)
ACE Mk I w/40mm (British)
BA-10M (USSR)
PERK ODD BALLS:
Flammpanzer III (German)
M3A1 Satan (US)
[This message has been edited by Jimdandy (edited 01-21-2001).]
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surely we dont want the best of each of the various countries tanks yet!
we will miss out on sooo much!for example
I would not like to see another Axis tank until we introduce 1 from different countries.Im not all demands for Axis honest! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
If we get the basic sherman not your best version! you can get a real feel for their strenghs/weaknesses then WHEN you get a late war super gun tank you will appreciate the difference!
if we dump a massive tank that far outshines the panzer we have no one will use the panzer and the osty/m16 thing will happen.no one will take the weaker versions.
Id say a good match would be a matilda,sherman(same era as panzer)or T34 or to be honest id like to see light and very fast tanks or reccon armoured cars! wasnt there a 4 wheeled armoured car with main gun that could hurt a panzer? must be (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
hazed
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Originally posted by hazed-:
surely we dont want the best of each of the various countries tanks yet!
we will miss out on sooo much!for example
I would not like to see another Axis tank until we introduce 1 from different countries.Im not all demands for Axis honest! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
If we get the basic sherman not your best version! you can get a real feel for their strenghs/weaknesses then WHEN you get a late war super gun tank you will appreciate the difference!
if we dump a massive tank that far outshines the panzer we have no one will use the panzer and the osty/m16 thing will happen.no one will take the weaker versions.
Id say a good match would be a matilda,sherman(same era as panzer)or T34 or to be honest id like to see light and very fast tanks or reccon armoured cars! wasnt there a 4 wheeled armoured car with main gun that could hurt a panzer? must be (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
hazed
Look at the above. I've given several examples of perkable and standard types from several different countries.
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T-34 would be great. We need more Russian stuff, and the last thing we want is more US equipment.
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[This message has been edited by brady (edited 01-21-2001).]
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There's been some very extensive discussion over tanks before, here a few threads from back during the great tank debates (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum9/HTML/000600.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum9/HTML/000600.html)
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum9/HTML/000607.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum9/HTML/000607.html)
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum9/HTML/000682.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum9/HTML/000682.html)
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum9/HTML/000875.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum9/HTML/000875.html)
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum9/HTML/000788.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum9/HTML/000788.html)
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum9/HTML/000729.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum9/HTML/000729.html)
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum9/HTML/000686.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum9/HTML/000686.html)
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I vote for the world most built tank - T-34.
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I want three things.
The T-34/76
The M7 Priest
Tree lines (not individual trees, a 2D, long treeline like permanent smokescreen).
The Trees should come first.
Hans.