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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: gatt on July 20, 2000, 03:37:00 AM
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We have evidence (from some italian books) that the 12,7mm Breda-SAFAT heavy MG fired explosive projectiles. The whole ammo load was called "SIT". "SIT" means explosive + incendiary + tracers. We are looking deeper into it.
Does anyone know anything more? Thx for any help.
GATT
[This message has been edited by gatt (edited 07-20-2000).]
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If HT models this kind of ammo in the 205 she'll be my bird of choice again! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Mox
TWC
[This message has been edited by Mox (edited 07-20-2000).]
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Correct, the Japanese Army also copied this ammunition for the Ho 103. I've also seen reference that while the Italians developed this shell, it was not used due to international law. I don't really believe that as just about everybody else used them. It's not like it's worse than dropping CW on Ethiopians.
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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations
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Here is a link of a real C.202 gun-camera posted by Visconti:
http://angelfire.lycos.com/nt/mio/c202breda.zip (http://angelfire.lycos.com/nt/mio/c202breda.zip)
Not bad for 2x12,7mm only. Looks like they are explosive indeed (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
[This message has been edited by gatt (edited 07-23-2000).]
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your dead on right gatt- unless thats a .205 not a .202 theres an explosive round in play there- notice how after the victim slides to the left and down some of them detonate against pieces of cowling spinning off high and to the right of the plane?
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No, she was definitely a C.202 and 95% of the C.202 had the wing 7,7mm removed.
Moreover no C.205V fought so early in the desert air-war and the first Series of the C.205V had only 2x12,7mm and 2x7mm.
I think that playability requires some "tuning" of gun lethality. However, I do believe that 12,7mm BREDA-Safat mounted on Macchis are a lil' weak.
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Hi PYRO,
[from the thread about C.202 gun camera]
few days ago Ariete managed to talk with an italian WWII Macchi armourer. He confirmed that S.I.T. ammo did contain explosive cartridges.
Moreover we are trying to contact Nicola Malizia, co-author with B.Cull and some others of very interesting books (the Malta series and the last "Spitfires over Sicily").
He was in the Regia Areonautica during WWII and he probably knows how Macchis's 12,7mm belts were built up. We'll let you know.
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Hey Gatt, not sure what you're looking for but maybe this will help. It's a diagram of a 12.7mm HEI round for the Breda. I took the liberty of labeling the PETN explosive filler.
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/pyro/breda127.gif)
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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations
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Hey Gatt, not sure what you're looking for but maybe this will help. It's a diagram of a 12.7mm HEI round for the Breda. I took the liberty of labeling the PETN explosive filler.
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/pyro/breda127.gif)
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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations