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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: CANNON on March 21, 2000, 12:08:00 PM
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Ive decided to fix my rubber bullits myself. I tried to get a dsl, but the phone company says my lines wont handle it. They are putting in new lines for this, in my area. And it should be available in 2 months. In the mean time I wondered if cable might not be the way to go. I can get RR, But ive heard some bad things about cable getting overcrowded and what not. Has anybody tried both, to compare.
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I've used both Cable and ADSL. Haven't had many problems with either. I had ADSL with PacBell and now I'm using Cable with @HOME. (In Fremont, CA) There are a few annoying quirks with each.
I always had perfect connects with ADSL, never been dumped or had any bad connection problems. I only had DSL for about 6 months, in that time it went completely down twice. The first time it was down for about 3 hrs, the second time it was down for about a day. Other than that I didn't have any problems with it.
I also have very good connects with Cable. About 2 times a month it seems to go "down" but only for 5-10 mins usually. I've never been dumped except once when this "outage" happened. There is also 1 very very annoying thing with cable, every once in a while someone will steal my IP address and I will get an IP conflict. (this has happened twice) They don't put any ACL's on the modems that restrict what IP you can use, so really anyone can grab anyone else's IP address. (we get static IP's) This is more of an annoyance than anything else, but it does prevent you from using the service. Talking to their tech support really doesn't help, it's very difficult for them to do anything about it. (I have 2 friends who both work for @home and apparently this happens a LOT)
As far as bandwidth is concerned I get quite a bit more downstream on my cable modem than I got with ADSL. On DSL the fastest I could download was about 180Kb/sec, on Cable I've gotten over 400Kb/sec but that is quite rare.
Of course all this has just been my experience and is not representative of all DSL or Cable internet service. YMMV (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Overall I've been very happy with both. I got DSL because it was the only thing available in my area. After I moved to Fremont the only thing available was Cable. I would suggest you get what is available, either of them is 100x better than any analog modem. Cable also cost 1/2 as much to install and cost me less monthly than my DSL service did.
Hope this helps,
-Funky
[This message has been edited by Funky (edited 03-21-2000).]
[This message has been edited by Funky (edited 03-21-2000).]
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Everyone I know that owns cable is happy with it.
Everyone I know that owns DSL simply loves it.
DSL is the way to go if you can afford it and if it is available. The combination of these two makes it out of reach for most people.
Try for DSL... if its not feasible, go for Cable. You aren't giving much up.
AKDejaVu
512/512 DSL subscriber.
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I have DSL from BellAtlantic at home. 640kb/s downstream and 90kb/s upstream for $50/month (I heard they plan to upgrade upstream for 120kb/s for free, but that's uncomfirmed). Never had a problem connection to AH with it.
It's not without problmes though. Once in a while service goes down, usually it goes back up in several minutes, but once I had to wait for quiet some time. Other then that, BellAtlantic's support is horrible - expect to spend 1-2 hours sitting on the phone trying just to reach them.
For more on DSL go to http://www.dslreports.com (http://www.dslreports.com)
mx22
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EZ wants a pornpipe. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
Dunno what DSL packages are but with @Home you get five emails and five webpages(5mgs each just link them all).
@home doesn't charge for the rental of a modem either , I've had mine for 3 years now heh.
@home $40.00 CDN so that's like $2.50 US
Dunno what install charges are now last I heard was $150, I paid jack when i got mine installed was PROMO thingy going on.
(http://members.home.net/torqss/f4usm.jpg)
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Everyone I know that owns cable is happy with it.
Hmmm....ya need to get to know me Deja (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Cable has seen its ups and downs in my household. When I first got it (I was one of the first in my area) it rocked. Road Runner did mass marketing in the area and soon, my connects were miserable for online gaming. Since the node I was on was oversubscribed, my packetloss ranged from 10% on a good day to 25% on a bad. Needless to say I was pretty pissed.
Recently they just added a node to my area and split some subscribers off to this other node. My packetloss is back down to a reasonable level (2% yesterday when I measured). Since they segmented the area, I havent been disco'd yet. Hopefully, I wont have to go thru another one of those growing pains again.
That is my experience with Cable. Its got its ups and downs (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
-Ding
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Well my DSL line gets activated tommorow.
Looking forward to it, but I have one question. Does anyone have any experience on the best way to set it up so that all my machines on the lan can use it to get on the net?
I had a 56k USRobotics modem that was doing ok with Internet Connection Shareing, but I had a few minor problems with. Like not being able to host Roger Wilco, & icq chat cutting up.
Any advice aprreciated.
PS 256k both ways Cisco 675 ext modem
package is 30$ a month & another 17 for isp.
Thats with 2 mailboxes & 5mb of webspace.
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Maj Ghosth
XO 332nd Flying Mongrels
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In regard to sharing bandwidth note the following:
http://www.nat32.com (http://www.nat32.com)
http://www.wingate.com (http://www.wingate.com)
Or any other Firewall or NAT you want to use... Goto:
http://www.download.com (http://www.download.com)
http://www.tucows.com (http://www.tucows.com)
http://www.zdnet.com (http://www.zdnet.com)
http://www.cdrom.com (http://www.cdrom.com)
etc...
hopefully that will work out for you...
regards,
DoctorYO
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Southwestern Bell is at my house as I type this. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
DSL for $39.95 anit bad (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Rude
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Rude,
Let me know how it works for you. I have been looking at DSL for a while now they have the hook up and equipment for free during the promotion, and at $ 39.95 it looks very good.
Thanks
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Milo
"A MiG on your 6 is better than no MiG at all"
JG2 "Richthofen" (http://www.busprod.com/weazel2/)
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I had ADSL installed into one of my offices with about 100 users using the new Caymen ADSL router.
My office has not dropped connection in 4 months (since it was installed).
6Meg downstream (burstable) maximum
1.54 downstream minimum (fixed)
385K up stream (fixed)
I'd say from a IS Directors position, the ADSL link I have at one of my offices is VERY stable and plenty fast.
I've had very little experience with cable modems, so I really cannot comment on it.
Still loving the T1 I have at home!
Mox
The Wrecking Crew
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Cable works well for me. Much better than traditional phone modem conections. I don't know if it is better that DSL, but in my case they waived the instalation fee which made it significantly cheaper than DSL.
eskimo
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Gahhhhh..
I hate living in da toulies....
neither is availble to me.....
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
stuck with 28.8
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GreyBeard
Flight Commander, Aces High
"Skeleton Crew"
"Fly with Honor"[/i]
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Same here Greybeard, I guess when you have elk,deer, and cougars in ones backyard you can bet the high speed modem choices are limited to two cans and a string. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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Ripsnort(-rip1-)
++JG2++ ~Richthofen~ XO
Aces High Training Corps
JG2 "Richthofen" (http://www.busprod.com/weazel2/)
(http://Ripsnort60.tripod.com/ripsnort.jpg)
"Experience is a hard teacher because she
gives the test first, the lesson afterwards"
[This message has been edited by Ripsnort (edited 03-22-2000).]
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Well, all I can say is that this is just Stupid Fast!
My ping time to the HTC server in Dallas went from 130ms to 80ms. The hops did increase tho from 7 to 18, but dont think at this connect it will represent any probs.
Milo, jus one thing to say....Do It! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Rude Out!
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Have had DSL since starting AH. I'd highly recommend it, if you can afford it.
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leonid, Komandir
5 GIAP VVS RKKA (http://www.adamfive.com/guerrero)
"Our cause is just. The enemy will be crushed. Victory will be ours."
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I've had cable for over three years, (@home), and various dsl's, from 1.5-7 megabits down/1.5 up for about a year. The price for a 2.5 meg dsl and 10 mbit/at the node cable is the same in my city.
My cable has wildly fluctuating pings, like consistent 10 ms when pining www for about 5 attempts, then 1000 ms, 500ms, it bounces all over the place.
My dsl gets page after page of 11 ms resulsts.
Dsl is more stable and consistent, but even my 7 meg dsl never downloaded as fast as my cable. Fastest I've seen using downloadaccelerator (www.lidan.com) on cable is 1.1 meg/sec. Fastest on my best dsl connection was 450 kps.
If all you do is surf, get cable. If you are serious about gaming, get a fast dsl or a frac t1 or better.
I've had some legendary arguments with @home, even made the news, and their service here sucks IMO, but we were the first city to have it, and now that everyone's got it, their bandwidth has gone down the toilet.
Do some research into your broadband provider, especially the number of users for cable in your area, and your distance to the central office (wire center) for your telco. These are the most important factors regarding cable/dsl performance respectively.
Or you can just go to MIT like the clowns in my CS clan and have an OC3 at your fingertips 24/7. God I wish I was 18 again, if only for that huge bandwidth the schools have now
[This message has been edited by Gman (edited 03-23-2000).]
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Thanks for your comments Rude.
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Milo
"A MiG on your 6 is better than no MiG at all"
JG2 "Richthofen" (http://www.busprod.com/weazel2/)
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SW Bell has that 39 buck offer here in spring tx. Should have the lines in a month or 2. Sounds like the way to go. After about 19 disco,s last night, and following a 205 around pinging him about 10 times for nothing. im nconvinced my connex are hopeless.
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Well my DSL line is up & running.
From US west, megabit deluxe service constant on, 24/7 30$ 272k up & 256k down. Blistering web page loads & downloads. About to try flying with it.
Thanks for the Help Doctor Yo, ended up plugging into my network router & setting static ip's for each machine. Working fine so far.
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Maj Ghosth
XO 332nd Flying Mongrels
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I Would say that if you're going to be playing multiplayer games, ADSL would be better.
ADSL has more stable ping times and less packet losses than cable modem might have.
(of course cable modems capabilities depends alot on its areal use)
Sometimes I've seen planes do little small warps (i really mean small, but enough to warp pass your bullets in a turn) regulary, found out that it's always been cable modem user..
Though, that might have something to do with packet sizes, im not expert with this though (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
But these are my experiences..
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i've got ADSL since just before AH came out .. i've had my share of dumps but only 1 or 2 were ISP related and that only during times when they had announced that dumos may occure because of network upgrading and such ..
I'm usually getting 180ms ping from Europe -> was used to see 800 at best.. had to completely re-think deflection shooting (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Originally posted by Duckwing6:
I'm usually getting 180ms ping from Europe -> was used to see 800 at best.. had to completely re-think deflection shooting (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
re-think deflectinon shooting?
But lag doesn't affect on plane movement at all unless it's going warping.
Hits happens in your FE, theres just delay WHEN hits effects, due to net lag.
so, your hits did before effect after a second (include here also lag of your opponent, which might make it even more)
So not even 50ms should make it much different, just effects shows alot quicker (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I had 270-330ms with 33.6k from europe..