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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: ridley1 on July 17, 2009, 03:43:30 AM
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Can you change it? Make it greenish? Make it so it's like the m4 or t-85....ie damn near impossible to see in the trees.
Hey look! There's a yellow flash! In the jungle.
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So switch from the default to a green one. I like the orange panzer as a default....makes them easy to spot.
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So switch from the default to a green one. I like the orange panzer as a default....makes them easy to spot.
The problem is all someone needs to do is disable other player skins in their video options and your camouflaged tank now sticks out like a sore thumb again. This leads to a SERIOUS imbalance in favor of the M4, especially in scenarios/FSO
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I have always thought this was a good idea. :aok
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Suppose it has anything to do with real life? All historical and the like?
(http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/7870/amziydyrtwehneryutr.jpg)
(http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/3629/amberye.jpg)
(http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/8026/ahrgsegrseg.jpg)
You're going about it all wrong. You need a different colored terrain.
(http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/9083/stfe.jpg)
Doh!!
wrongway
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The guy brings up a good point. But then again that is why the have the smoke shells. But that too announces 1 of 2 tanks is coming and the firefly is green so it is un-needed, and therefore announces that a panzer is coming.
Maby we could go for more of a brown instead of an orange.
And wrong way...for some reason your first picture looks...off. The second is rusted and not it's paint scheme. And your pictures are a tiger, kingtiger, kingtiger and a scoutcar of some type. None of them a a panzer IV.
Speaking of different terrain...we should have some variation in the color of the ground and background.
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Been posted on a zillion and one times.....
Whats the point of green camouflage if you cant use it?
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My point is that the "default" color of actual German WW2 tanks was Tan, not Green.
Can't find any actual pictures of a panzer IV in color. Everything is either a model, a profile, or a modern restoration, but they are predominantly Tan.
The deal with the scout car is it is Grey, in the desert. A Tan environment.
The problem with the "different default" is it just wasn't so.
What you need is more variety in the color of the environment.
wrongway
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Perhaps the new terrains will address this better.
My memory may be faulty, but it seems that before the new terrain, the background was more broken and much more brown-intensive. In the old terrain, the M-4 would have stood out like a sore thumb.
Not to mention the fact that camoflage first and foremost is supposed to break up the outline of the tank, not just make it blend into a background. The current "bocage" type terrain is so uniformly green that it turns this point on its head -- it is harder to see the uniformly green M-4 and easier to see the broken-outline panzer.
Long way of saying "what wrongway said."
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Apart from the Afrika Korps, the Wehrmacht's vehicles were generally painted dark grey for the first half of the war. However crews often applied mud to their vehicles in Russia to blend in with the brown steppe terrain better. As a result of this the standard base colour was changed to Dark Yellow in February 1943. Red brown and dark green paint was often applied either in the factory or by crews as extra camouflage. In late 44 the base colour was changed to green with the dark yellow and red brown applied over that for camouflage.
There is a good summary here of German vehicle colours:
http://www.figuren-modellbau.de/camouflage-german-wehrmacht.html (http://www.figuren-modellbau.de/camouflage-german-wehrmacht.html)
AH's Panzer IV is an Ausf H. This version was produced from April 43 to June 44 and so all would have had the dark yellow base colour with various camo schemes applied over it. It may be there is an individual scheme where most of the base brown was painted over in green however.
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Could be worse...
(http://www.songbirdgarden.com/store/prodimages/NorthernCardinal.jpg)
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And wrong way...for some reason your first picture looks...off. The second is rusted and not it's paint scheme. And your pictures are a tiger, kingtiger, kingtiger and a scoutcar of some type. None of them a a panzer IV.
They're Panthers - not King Tigers. The Panther was a good tank - real smooth when driven. Probably the best tank of the war.
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I wasn't thinking of historical accuracy. But the game does put panzers at a disadvantage. I check 'disable plane skins' myself.
But wrongway's Panther there in front of the church.....with that nice little hole there under the turret, I'm thinking that camo job could be called, "what's left of the paint after the fire dies out"
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The problem is all someone needs to do is disable other player skins in their video options and your camouflaged tank now sticks out like a sore thumb again. This leads to a SERIOUS imbalance in favor of the M4, especially in scenarios/FSO
I have always felt being able to turn off other skins on tanks provided everyone using a Sherman M4, ( myself included ), and unfair advantage. And for me it's not enough of a challenge when tanking, so disabling this feature would be nice. I myself have not turned off other players skins for 2 reasons; 1.) A greater challenge; 2.) To allow other players to use their skin of choice. This is my choice, but I know many others would not choose to do as I do. But it would be nice if we all did. Just my two cents. :salute
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What you need is more variety in the color of the environment.
Posted on that in my "weather" forum. I changed what it is about, but basicaly I am asking for the seasons to change meaning that summer is green, spring is brown then green, fall is the reverse, and winter is brown briefly, white, then briefly brown again. But I agree Wrong way. We need more variaty even if we don't change the seasons. Meaning gold tan wheat fields, dirt strips, something other than pine trees, brown bushes, green bushes, red, gold, and brown leaves in fall, stuff like that. I serisouly doubt that everything that wasn't green trees was green grass in winter in 1940's.
If you want to check it it is called "addition of weather to AH2".
They're Panthers - not King Tigers. The Panther was a good tank - real smooth when driven. Probably the best tank of the war.
So they are. Sorry, I was a little bit "underwater" as this was at 10PM after a long day. And that is arguable about them being the best tank of the war. I would cast my vote for the sherman as the german tanks got mobed by 6:1 numbers (shermans:german tanks).
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My point is that the "default" color of actual German WW2 tanks was Tan, not Green.
Can't find any actual pictures of a panzer IV in color. Everything is either a model, a profile, or a modern restoration, but they are predominantly Tan.
The deal with the scout car is it is Grey, in the desert. A Tan environment.
The problem with the "different default" is it just wasn't so.
What you need is more variety in the color of the environment.
I understand that WW i got into it with Guppy about it before.. Show me a picture of the panzer we have with this color in actual combat.......
wrongway
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Site with some pretty good colour pics:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=32930&start=555
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I understand that WW i got into it with Guppy about it before.. Show me a picture of the panzer we have with this color in actual combat.......
(http://forum.axishistory.com/download/file.php?id=163161&sid=dcbeae8f5c6576a54f675d9c9e13b14b)
(http://forum.axishistory.com/download/file.php?id=163159&sid=dcbeae8f5c6576a54f675d9c9e13b14b)
Look. Yellow tank on a green hill. :O
(http://forum.axishistory.com/download/file.php?id=178096&sid=dcbeae8f5c6576a54f675d9c9e13b14b)
wrongway
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I do have the other skins turned off and the Panzer does stick out. I use the M-4 almost always not so much because of the gun (That is nice) but because it blends in so good. I see a Panzer so far way most time I kill them with a long range shot before the ever see my M-4. So while I like the way it is I do see the point. I Have my other skins turned off for frame rate issues more than the fact I can see a Panzer from two county's away but that is a nice benefit.
R-105
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Thank U WRongway....Thats my point.... those tanks match the surroundings. We have MAPS that are differant color than the default skin on the panzer...So while we have the historical default skin.... Im not seeing a historical map setting or color.
\ We have very green maps with a really orange looking panzer.
A yellow tank on green im not buying what your selling. Dont make me break out PHotoshop and color sample the picture.
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You mean something more like this?
(http://www.ugo.com/lifestyle/paintball-gear-guide/images/paintball-panzer.jpg)
:D
Actually this is the only other historic color that I'm aware of and I've also seen it in alight grey/dark grey camo scheme:
(http://maquettegarden.free.fr/Vehicules/Panzer%20II/images/Panzer%20II%2001.JPG)
I have never since I've played AH downloaded or used anything but default skins so I always have disable other players skins turned on. I certainly don't want to be forced to clutter up my computer with things I don't want or need. The default skins are all fine by me but a grey Panzer default would be ok.
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A yellow tank on green im not buying what your selling. Dont make me break out PHotoshop and color sample the picture.
Go ahead. I just linked from the sight Greebo put the link to above.
I think it's more an issue of terrain than the default skin. The skin matches what the Germans used.
I also think that movement plays a major factor no matter the color. The eye is attracted to movement. A well concealed Tan tank is as hard as a well concealed green tank to see for me until it fires.
You say you see them before they see you. i imagine they are moving and you are not?
wrongway
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Ok I will.
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Looking at the Panzer IV skins at http://www.netaces.org/skins/skins.htm (http://www.netaces.org/skins/skins.htm) I notice the default skin's brown seems a lot brighter than the photos posted in this thread. Airmess' skins seem to be closer to reality and would stand out less in the MA. Maybe one of Airmess' skins could become the default.
(http://www.netaces.org/skins/panzr4h/default.jpg)
(http://www.netaces.org/skins/panzr4h/skin2.jpg)
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The Airmess color for default may be the ticket in the current terrain we have. I will miss seeing a Panzer almost as soon as it spawns up if the Airmess becomes the the new default skin. That will sure lower the kill rate for many of us M-4 drivers so I hope it don't happen now that I think about it lol.
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Or...
(http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/1993/cartoytank.jpg) (http://img268.imageshack.us/i/cartoytank.jpg/)
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well, the cannon's big enough anyway :lol.