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Help and Support Forums => Help and Training => Topic started by: Yarbles on July 20, 2009, 05:58:23 AM
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I ve just got my pedals delivered and I want them obviously to be like a real plane.
My (next) ambition is to fly a real Tiger Moth for my next birthday and I am hoping the pedals will be at least a bit more realistic than the twisty stick.
So what should happen when you push the right leg forward to the rudder and which direction should that point you in??
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Right leg in, should kick right rudder, which should "yaw" your plane to the right.
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Right leg in, should kick right rudder, which should "yaw" your plane to the right.
So just to be 100% clear push your right foot forward and the nose points more to the right?
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For anyone who wants to fly a tigermoth, ghosth's explanation should be 100% clear already. ;)
But to avoid being a total jerk, yes, push your right foot forward and the nose should point more to the right.
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Another good way to remember is to "step into your turn". You want to turn right, step on the right pedal - turn left, step on the left pedal.
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For anyone who wants to fly a tigermoth, ghosth's explanation should be 100% clear already. ;)
So if I could find a 3 seater I am guessing you wont be coming to :D
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The biggest problem I had when I got my pedals was keeping it straight too. I tried to steer with my feet like it was a steering wheel. It took a bit to get over that. I'm still learning the pedals. It was a tough transition from the twisty.
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How easy is it to get excited and blow your foot through them pedals?
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I heard it was good to twist the stick ( flame ) but disable the feature of rudder from the twisty stick ( huh huh) and rudder away the same direction.... with each twist you make to your stick ( flame ) thus triggering the reaction of pedllin and creating a connection from your twist of your stick to the push of your foot.
when you get good at it you don't have to twist anymore....however I don't have the authority to tell you what to do. you can still twist your stick for fun....if it's legal in your neck of the woods.
:aok
good luck brother yarbles
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I went from using the keyboard rudder commands to ch pedals, it was quite the transition but you get used to it fast.
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I went from using the keyboard rudder commands to ch pedals, it was quite the transition but you get used to it fast.
How do you keep the peg leg from slipping when you push forward on the pedal? Rubber stopper?
ack-ack
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Right leg in, should kick right rudder, which should "yaw" your plane to the right.
Thats odd,.... I always figured it was opposite. I've had my peds set up so that if i push forward on the right ped (CH USB PEDS) I yaw left. Just seems more natural to me. My neighbors green machine worked that way too and so did an arcade helicopter game I played as a kid.
When I first got my peds I just could not get used to right makes me go right so i inverted them and everything was fine.
My toe brake is set left to apply all brakes....was never much of a tanker but if I was I'd have those inverted too. Step right turn left.
For those who don't know what a (http://tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:nYYpSvCo8Bi1fM:http://www.davekellett.com/images/greenmachine.jpg) looks like
Now this I had...(http://tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:C3WWtteXparu_M:http://ginavivinetto.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/win-pictures-big-wheel.jpg) It was indestructible. Had holes in all the wheels, the handle bars were bent to sht and the belly dragged across the ground by the time I had finished with it. Tried killing it with stolen m80's but it was the gas that did her in :rofl There was black sooty smoke everywhere..a neighbor called the FD :uhoh and my mother chased me down the block with a strap in her hand. :furious
I was the cool kid on the block till that happened. All I heard after that was... "here comes your mom or I think I hear your mom coming" jokes
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Switching from a twisty stick to pedals was easy for me... But, I imagine that is true for most of us who have real life pilot experience. Before I had the pedals, using the twisty stick always seemed very very wrong and I never really got the hang of it.
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So if I could find a 3 seater I am guessing you wont be coming to :D
:rofl
Yarbles on another note...
Don't forget to use those rudders to help you roll faster when needed. Rudder into your roll.
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How easy is it to get excited and blow your foot through them pedals?
I have jumped the track on my Saitek ones so many times that I only have 1 screw in each corner so I can get it fixed quickly. Sucks when it happens in FSO.
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I have jumped the track on my Saitek ones so many times that I only have 1 screw in each corner so I can get it fixed quickly. Sucks when it happens in FSO.
I've never had that happen with my Ch setup.
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I can't complain bout the X52 I have, but I will make my next rudder pedals out the sensors of this one and an erector set (if i dont burn them first) before buying another Saitek.
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:rofl
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I'm still getting used to my pedals too. I've had them a week or so now.
I agree that pushing right/yawing right seems unnatural.
And I did think about the Green MAchine; as well as that old, old, Battlezone arcade game.......thought the pedlas would go the other way.
Anyway, I'm leaving them as is; in case I have to take the controls of an airliner someday :-)
The problem I'm having right now, is I'm hardly using the rudder at all any more.
I have to think about using rudder.....it's just not instinctual yet.
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The problem I'm having right now, is I'm hardly using the rudder at all any more.
I have to think about using rudder.....it's just not instinctual yet.
That happened to me for a couple of months after I got my pedals. You really have to relearn how to use the rudder all together... eventually you'll start using rudder as you used to again.
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Since the OP's been answered, I'll risk an OT-ish question.. In general, is it difficult to invert a real plane's rudder pedals?
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Not really, some planes had rudder controls reversed... the Starfighter comes to mind.
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Since the OP's been answered, I'll risk an OT-ish question.. In general, is it difficult to invert a real plane's rudder pedals?
Cables for the old which might have been harder to switch than the hydraulic lines of the new i would imagine. If right ped pressure makes you go right and is standard on all planes why would you want to switch them?
For the game though, there is the option.
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Cables for the old which might have been harder to switch than the hydraulic lines of the new i would imagine.
I disagree with you, the cables are already running side by side from the tail to the cockpit. It should be simple enough to reverse, not sure why you would want to tho...
Like I said, the only plane I know of that had reversed rudder controls was the F104 Starfighter.
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Just feels more natural to me to have the nose follow my feet's push rather than go against them; I'm weird I guess. Thanks.
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nah moot i was like :huh when i saw the OP, is he stupid oh wait. :)
push right = go right for me.
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Not really, some planes had rudder controls reversed... the Starfighter comes to mind.
Not sure where you got your information from. If you check online and the controls were very much conventional. You pressed with your right foot on the right rudder peddle for Right rudder. I checked with an airforce friend of mine that flew F104's through the 60 and F4 in Vietnam. I would be very interested in seeing any documentated information that you may have that states otherwise. There are many pages of information available including operating manuals that show the aircraft controls are conventional online.
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nah moot i was like :huh when i saw the OP, is he stupid oh wait. :)
push right = go right for me.
That's not very nice Bruv, you must not of understood the reasoning behind why someone might invert the peds.
It's directly associated with learned childhood behavior coupled with the chair and type of peds I now use. I'll type slow and use illustrations to make it easy for you to comprehend the reasoning.
The (http://tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:nYYpSvCo8Bi1fM:http://www.davekellett.com/images/greenmachine.jpg) controls work like a (http://tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:g-MqpFt6x_k0xM:http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/m-47-general-george-s-patton-medium-tank-2.jpg), same as the controls of many games like (http://tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:CutrKJqTFyLtcM:http://freespace.virgin.net/james.handlon/battlezone/bzshot21.gif) previously played in my youth, some of which had pedals. Add that with some helicopter games (http://tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:7sC9SNAH8zRxuM:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6b/Heli_tail_rotor_dia.png)and learning how to drive one of these (http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:ZBEMzkv_IRwDPM:http://www.media.suzuki.com/marine/images00/viewable/JonBoatDF25.jpg) plus my first two jobs (http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:azIcHsVvR330PM:http://www.cedistribution.net/images/fork_lift.jpg) operator and (http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:9otcWT6FW3jOLM:http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/backhoe-loader-control-dissect.jpg) (http://tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:dNRB6tH_sR5U3M:http://base.cygnuspub.com/images/Products/FCP/2007/Nov/300x300/VolvoCons_BackhoeLoaderBL70_0.png) operator and it should be easy to see I've been programmed to think backwards. Now couple all that knowledge with sliding CH peds (http://tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:NOB27WxA2uj1pM:http://www.charlestonarea.com/chproductsreview/Pro_Pedals_Deflected.jpg) and the type of chair I use while playing (http://tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:JM2HyfXLOrJtfM:http://www.oppictures.com/singleimages/400/BSXVL841NST11_1_1.JPG) (which swivels slightly in the opposite direction that i push the peds) and it should all come together as to why I have felt more comfortable inverting MY ped controls right from the start.
Now who are you to tell me I'm stupid for thinking this way. :lol ;)
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Since the OP's been answered, I'll risk an OT-ish question.. In general, is it difficult to invert a real plane's rudder pedals?
In most light aircraft it could be done, however, it would be against the law. FAR's are very strict about aircraft rigging. You would never get past an annual inspection. There have been times when aircraft controls by accident have been switched. Some returned safely to earth, others did not. I spent my youth flying as a banner tower in a converted J3 with a 150HP lycomming engine instead of the usual 65hp.
For winter storage the aircraft were drained of fuel and oil, then stood on their noses in an old barn in Colts Neck New Jersey. they could fit all five aircraft in one area of the barn. When spring came and the banner towing operation got ready for the new season the aircraft would be taken out of the barn washed, waxed and made ready for the season. As luck would have it a new A&E was hired and he did the annual inspections on the aircraft. For some reason, he reversed the cables on the ailerons, and a new low time smart assed commercial pilot (me) didn't do a through preflight.
Colts Neck airport was a grass field with corn fields all around it. 2400 feet long, 124 feet AGL The only good thing was that the big engine on the J3 with very little fuel got you in the air very fast, as soon as I was air born I knew I was in trouble. I cut the power and tried to use rudder to maintain directional control. I ended up off the runway to the left and took out a few rows of corn. I was still on the airfield property and as soon as I realized I was alive, safe and no damage to the aircraft, I went looking for the A&E.
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Ouch.. scratch that idea then..
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Just feels more natural to me to have the nose follow my feet's push rather than go against them; I'm weird I guess. Thanks.
Moot, your thinking is not that unusual. Many toys as Atool has presented teach that method of control. A child’s sled comes to mind. As a fight instructor teaching new students to taxi an aircraft with both conventional and non-conventional gear, many at first would attempt to push with their right foot to trun the nose of the aircraft left while taxing.
As a flight instructor I also feel it necessary to correct the many miss statements in terminology about “turning with rudder”. You don’t use the rudder to “Turn” you use “Lift” to turn an aircraft. You do so by Rolling the aircraft in the direction you wish to turn. The fact is that in coordinated flight the rudder is only used to offset Adverse Aileron Yaw. That said, it is ture that you can affect the heading of an aircraft by just holding rudder but to make a 90 degree turn to the right with just rudder holding wings level would take a very long time.
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Thanks Traveler.
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That's not very nice Bruv, you must not of understood the reasoning behind why someone might invert the peds.
tool if you put smiley faces at the end of harsh one liners it means your joking and no offence is meant. I've met yarbles in person and we get along great.
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Pull Right = Go Right feels natural for me.
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tool if you put smiley faces at the end of harsh one liners it means your joking and no offence is meant. I've met yarbles in person and we get along great.
Not any more :mad: :mad:
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Tool thanks for the post with the pictures I played battle zone or whatever that tank game was and I expect that is where I got the idea from.
Has anyone rigged their rudder pedals for GV? Surely then they would have to be reversed assuming push right pedal forward drives right hand track. Push right go left, actually forget that its a stupid idea (I hope bruv didnt see it :uhoh)
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Pull Right = Go Right feels natural for me.
Isn't that the same as saying push left yaw right.... just a bit more of a confusing way to put it. You do have sliding CH or Saitek peds don't ya? heheh grizzzzzz
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Not sure where you got your information from. If you check online and the controls were very much conventional. You pressed with your right foot on the right rudder peddle for Right rudder.
You're right... I can't find the information I had read some time ago. Is there a chance the flight testing was done with a reverse-modeled 104? I know I read it somewhere, I just don't remember where.
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Well all I know is that I officially have a free boat anchor for anyone that wants it.
It is, oddly enough, shaped just like a set of Saicrap rudder pedals. :furious