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Title: Ki-67
Post by: Pyro on August 27, 2001, 01:15:00 PM

Anybody know of any good references to the Ki-67?  I'm looking for a 3d cutaway and interior photos, particularly of the gun positions.  Any help would be appreciated.

Title: Ki-67
Post by: AKSWulfe on August 27, 2001, 01:38:00 PM

I'm not sure if it has what you want in it, but it is a book dedicated to the Ki-67 and Ki-109: http://www.schifferbooks.com/military/aviationjaprus/0764303503.html (http://www.schifferbooks.com/military/aviationjaprus/0764303503.html)

It'll cost you one person's monthly subscription though.   ;)
-SW

Title: Ki-67
Post by: batdog on August 27, 2001, 01:43:00 PM

Here's a book a saw on Amazon... might have some info.
 

Mitsubishi Ki-67/Ki-109 Hiryu in Japanese Army Air Force Service
by Richard M. Bueschel

 xBAT

[ 08-27-2001: Message edited by: batdog ]

Title: Ki-67
Post by: batdog on August 27, 2001, 01:46:00 PM

ROTFL.... same book as wulf's...sorry.  :p

xBAT

Title: Ki-67
Post by: Mitsu on August 27, 2001, 02:36:00 PM

Yes, I have.
Want me to scan them?

-Mitsu

Title: Ki-67
Post by: SKurj on August 27, 2001, 02:58:00 PM

Anyone have ANY pics of the 67....?

nm, found it, Flying dragon "Peggy"
top speed 334 at 20kft
bomb load: 1765lb
1 20mm
4 12.7 mm guns
crew 6-8

SKurj

[ 08-27-2001: Message edited by: SKurj ]

Title: Ki-67
Post by: Westy MOL on August 27, 2001, 04:04:00 PM

Some shots:
 http://www.ijaafpics.com/jbwki673.htm (http://www.ijaafpics.com/jbwki673.htm)

Will look for more later  :)  Vermillion ought to be a happy guy.

Westy

Title: Ki-67
Post by: funkedup on August 27, 2001, 04:07:00 PM

Tu-2 and Ki-67 and Mosquito, wow.  If we get Me 410 and A-26 I may never fly anything but twins.   :)

Title: Ki-67
Post by: Wotan on August 27, 2001, 04:15:00 PM

dang funked i'm with you on this one.... :)

I wonder if tac is recruiting  :)

Title: Ki-67
Post by: AG Sach on August 27, 2001, 04:27:00 PM

Please let their be a 410 in the near future.....  Pyro et me tell you how many moe people it would bring to the game with just that simple introduction.  I did a case study and found a whopping 890 users would fly if just this plane were added.  Now multiply that over the course of a year and you see what kind of benefits it would bring.  Can we say new speedboat?  Please fulfill a dream of a lot of the users in here with this addition.  I have no more to say except we want twins baby.

Title: Ki-67
Post by: Karnak on August 27, 2001, 05:57:00 PM

Wow.  Ki67 may be in 1.08 as well?

1.08 is shaping up to be the best release yet.

AH v1.08 "Attack of the Twins"

Title: Ki-67
Post by: Vermillion on August 27, 2001, 06:42:00 PM

oh boy oh boy oh boy !!  :D

I'll look around, because I know I have seen one in the past Pyro, but I searched thru all my references and I couldn't find it.  :(

Title: Ki-67
Post by: brady on August 27, 2001, 08:46:00 PM

Pyro, that package i sent you has listings for detailed drawings of the 20mm dorsal turet, as well as some other interesting stuff on the Ki 67, flight manuals and maintance manuals, all on microfilm or avalible as photo coppys.

  BTW...thanks man  :), forgive me for my temper tantrum...


  some cool web pic's hear, not exactly what your looking for but good shots:
 http://www.ijaafpics.com/ (http://www.ijaafpics.com/)
[ 08-27-2001: Message edited by: brady ]

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Title: Ki-67
Post by: Tac on August 27, 2001, 09:17:00 PM

"I wonder if tac is recruiting "

Check my sig.

1.08 is gonna be so grand it scares me  :D  :D  :D

Title: Ki-67
Post by: GRUNHERZ on August 27, 2001, 09:53:00 PM

COOL! WTG HTC.

Title: Ki-67
Post by: Mathman on August 27, 2001, 10:00:00 PM

2 engines just makes more stuff to shoot at.   :)

Seriously, glad we are getting more and more planes, no matter how many engines they have. :)

-math

Title: Ki-67
Post by: Gtoraii on August 28, 2001, 03:54:00 PM

Ok this is a tad off topic, but what was good about the ME410? didn't go into the books as a failure?

Not a troll I am truely interested.

Title: Ki-67
Post by: AG Sach on August 28, 2001, 04:09:00 PM

Me-210 was a failure, the 410 did its role well until the advent of the long range escort fighters and the demise of the german air industry.  410 was a nice plane 210 just had err some flaws in it :)

Title: Ki-67
Post by: Gtoraii on August 28, 2001, 04:19:00 PM

so its role was pounding bombers?  did they ever load like 50mm or larger guns on them?

 In the main arena wouldnt this plane die fast?

Title: Ki-67
Post by: oboe on August 28, 2001, 06:26:00 PM

Here is a reference to a new book on WWII Japanese aircraft interiors you may want to check out.  Sounds like it has everything you're interested in...

Japanese Aircraft Interiors (http://www.historicaviation.com/historicaviation/product_info.po?ID=4155&product=books&category=ww)

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Title: Ki-67
Post by: hazed- on August 28, 2001, 07:34:00 PM

me110 me110 me110 me110  :D lol JOKE!!!

but if you DO feel like it..... :P

Title: Ki-67
Post by: Pyro on August 28, 2001, 10:41:00 PM

I have all the sources mentioned.  Mitsu, if you have anything else, please send it.

P.S.  My asking for references to a particular plane does not necessarily mean it will be in the next version.  Just fair warning so you don't take this kind of stuff as being an announcement.

Title: Ki-67
Post by: Fester' on August 29, 2001, 03:04:00 AM

me110 in next version?   :D

seriously ki67 great addition   :)

Title: Ki-67
Post by: Mitsu on August 29, 2001, 03:59:00 PM

Pyro:
Do you have interest to these stuffs?
If so, I will upload larger images of them.
(+I have some other structure photos of Ki-67)

 (http://ya.sakura.ne.jp/~micchy/244sentai/ki67/3d.jpg)
3D Cutaway(?)

 (http://ya.sakura.ne.jp/~micchy/244sentai/ki67/3view_1.gif)
3-View (1)

 (http://ya.sakura.ne.jp/~micchy/244sentai/ki67/3view_2.gif)
3-View (2)

 (http://ya.sakura.ne.jp/~micchy/244sentai/ki67/cockpit.jpg)
Ki-67 Cockpit

 (http://ya.sakura.ne.jp/~micchy/244sentai/ki67/bomb_room.jpg)
Bombardier's Room

 (http://ya.sakura.ne.jp/~micchy/244sentai/ki67/bomb_load.gif)
Bomb Loads

Regards,
Mitsu

-----------------
Please release Ki-67-1b in Aces High!!!!!
Ho-103 12.7mm x5 (2100 rounds total; Twin Barrel 12.7mm MGs in Tail Turret!)
Ho-5 20mm x1 (400 rounds)
Max 800kg bombs/1055kg Torpedo

Title: Ki-67
Post by: Mitsu on August 29, 2001, 04:00:00 PM

I forgot them.

  (http://ya.sakura.ne.jp/~micchy/244sentai/ki67/leftside_gun.gif)  
Interior of left side turret

  (http://ya.sakura.ne.jp/~micchy/244sentai/ki67/tail_gun.gif)  
Interior of tail turret

  (http://ya.sakura.ne.jp/~micchy/244sentai/ki67/topgun_gunsight.gif)  
Interior of top turret & its gunsight

Regards,
Mitsu

[ 08-29-2001: Message edited by: Mitsu ]

Title: Ki-67
Post by: Vermillion on August 29, 2001, 04:10:00 PM

Very sweet Mitsu !!

Title: Ki-67
Post by: Mitsu on August 29, 2001, 04:14:00 PM

I forgot again.

 (http://ya.sakura.ne.jp/~micchy/244sentai/ki67/radio_room.jpg)
Radio Operator's Room

 (http://ya.sakura.ne.jp/~micchy/244sentai/ki67/paint_scheme_1.jpg)
Paint Scheme (1)

 (http://ya.sakura.ne.jp/~micchy/244sentai/ki67/paint_scheme_2.jpg)
Paint Scheme (2)

 (http://ya.sakura.ne.jp/~micchy/244sentai/ki67/paint_scheme_3.jpg)
Paint Scheme (3)

Regards,
Mitsu

Title: Ki-67
Post by: Mitsu on August 29, 2001, 04:20:00 PM

I'm sorry for fatty images.  :)

-Mitsu

Title: Ki-67
Post by: Pyro on August 29, 2001, 04:27:00 PM

Mitsu, yes that's exactly what we're looking for.  I don't have the Maru Mechanic on the Ki-67 so whatever you can send me would be great.  If you can send the larger scans in a zip, it'd be most welcome.

Title: Ki-67
Post by: Mitsu on August 29, 2001, 04:41:00 PM

Hi, You're welcome, Pyro.  :)
I'll upload enlarged photos later.
Of course, it will be zipped.

Regards,
Mitsu

Title: Ki-67
Post by: brady on August 29, 2001, 07:56:00 PM

Mitsu..WEL DONE, WOW, those are sweat :)

 I trust we will get the later model with the Ho-5 20mm turet?, and the 12.7 mm MG's in the wast position?

 This is a fantastic looking plane always been a favorate of mine :)

 Am i doing the math right? their are 15 50kg bombs right?

 I wounder would Pyro model the 10kg and 30 kg bombs?

 What of the torpedo?

Title: Ki-67
Post by: FabryKA6 on August 30, 2001, 12:53:00 AM

I will be rally happy to see more new bomber in 1.08 and Ki 67 is one of my favorite ,Tnx for the nice stuff MITSU.
My be one day i can see my beloved SM79 Sparviero in AH!!

FabriKA6

1° Gruppo Caccia "ASSO DI BASTONI"

Title: Ki-67
Post by: SKurj on August 30, 2001, 01:21:00 AM

I've not got any info other than 1 20mm and 4 12.7's Brady...

The only changes made over time that i could see was the addition of the blisters for the waist gunners.
My info not very extensive tho

SKurj

Title: Ki-67
Post by: Mitsu on August 30, 2001, 03:23:00 AM

Brady,
All Ki-67 had 20mm cannon on top turret except specal attack role.

Skurj,
Ki-67-Ib had 1 20mm and 5 12.7mm in principle.

Ki-67-Ia:
1 Ho-5 20mm Cannon on Top Turret
----------------------
total ammo: 400 rounds

1 Ho-103 12.7mm MG on Forward Turret (500 rounds)
1 Ho-103 12.7mm MG on Left Side Turret (500?)
1 Ho-103 12.7mm MG on Right Side Turret (500?)
1 Ho-103 12.7mm MG on Tail Turret (600?)
----------------------
total ammo: 2100 rounds

Ki-67-Ib:
1 Ho-5 20mm Cannon on Top Turret
----------------------
total ammo: 400 rounds

1 Ho-103 12.7mm MG on Forward Turret (500 rounds)
1 Ho-103 12.7mm MG on Left Side Turret (500?)
1 Ho-103 12.7mm MG on Right Side Turret (500?)
2 Ho-103 12.7mm MG on Tail Turret (Twin Barrel; 600x2?)
----------------------
total ammo: unknown

-Mitsu

Title: Ki-67
Post by: GRUNHERZ on August 30, 2001, 03:47:00 AM

Hmm I wonder if the 20mm on this plane will be "buff" upgraded. If so, one would think it will hit like the osti's 37mm.......  :D

Title: Ki-67
Post by: Mitsu on August 30, 2001, 04:06:00 AM

Brady,

Bomb Loads of Ki-67:

15 Type 94 50kg bombs
 8 Type 94 100kg bombs
 3 Type 92 250kg bombs
 1 Type 92 500kg bomb

 1 Type 91M3 800kg Torpedo
 1 Type 91M7 1070kg Torpedo

*Torpedo is equipped under the fuselage.

Source: Mitsubishi's Aircraft History

-Mitsu

Title: Ki-67
Post by: Mitsu on August 30, 2001, 04:10:00 AM

So Sweet? Thanks Vermillion and FabryKA6.  :)
I cut this Ki-67 book with scissors for scanning.  :)

-Mitsu

Title: Ki-67
Post by: Karnak on August 30, 2001, 04:51:00 AM

You cut your book up?

Man, I hope the Ki67 makes it into 1.08 or 1.09.

Title: Ki-67
Post by: Mitsu on August 30, 2001, 06:15:00 AM

Nah...Karnak, I already cut Ki-61/Ki-100 Books.  :D

-Mitsu

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Title: Ki-67
Post by: LUPO on August 30, 2001, 06:58:00 AM

Oh Mitsu, cutting such a beautiful book is an assassinate! I'll do my best trying to shot you down becouse of this!!!   :D
But, to be honest, I'm not so sure I'll be able to accomplish that....   :rolleyes:
Thanks for the nice pics, mate  :)

Title: Ki-67
Post by: -tronski- on August 30, 2001, 07:46:00 AM

wtg Mitsu...you deserve your name on the bloody thing for that effort  :)

 Tronski
 486 Sqn (NZ),"Hiwa hau Maka"

Title: Ki-67
Post by: Pyro on August 30, 2001, 12:34:00 PM

Mitsu, oh man I wish you didn't cut up your book for that.  I'll pick up a copy and will swap you for your cut-up one.

Title: Ki-67
Post by: brady on August 30, 2001, 01:30:00 PM

Mitsu, ty sir :)

  Yes I ment sweet, my spelling is almost as bad as my typing :) plese excuse me.

   Your book went for a good cause Mitsu<S>, cool of Pyro to offer to replace it.

 Those Ho 103's and the Ho 5 are amasing guns, lighter and faster firing than a 50 cal and loaded with HEI rounds, very nasty.

 Does any body have the specks on the torpedos? warhead weight and spead/range handy?

Title: Ki-67
Post by: F4UDOA on August 30, 2001, 03:04:00 PM

Mitsu,

Dude, never cut up a book, it's bad Karma. I have a picture of F4U's and P-51's flying in formation together, it's beautiful and I would luv to scan it but I can't make myself cut a book.

My wife knows that my books are like antiques. I would die if anything happened to them.

Later

Title: Ki-67
Post by: Mitsu on August 30, 2001, 03:24:00 PM

Pyro,

Not a problem, because I like Aces High and HTC staffs. so I will be happy if my reference is used for your product.  :)

I want to see more beautiful Japanese planes in this sim.  :)

F4UDOA,

Never mind, This book isn't out-of-print.
I will buy new one.  :D

Regards,
Mitsu

P.S
Pyro, I'm still editing large Ki-67 images.
please wait a minute.

Title: Ki-67
Post by: Mitsu on August 30, 2001, 03:29:00 PM

brady,

You can know Japanese Torpedos information from the following link.  :)
 http://www.combinedfleet.com/torps.htm (http://www.combinedfleet.com/torps.htm)

Regards,
Mitsu

Title: Ki-67
Post by: Robert on August 30, 2001, 04:12:00 PM

I have a scanner that will scan books very well. It is a rather small scanner so the page you are trying to scan will lay flat while the other part of the book hangs off the side. Then i just drop a towel over it to keep outside light from comming in and bingo.

RWY

Title: Ki-67
Post by: Pongo on August 30, 2001, 04:26:00 PM

Quote

Originally posted by Pyro:
I have all the sources mentioned.  Mitsu, if you have anything else, please send it.

P.S.  My asking for references to a particular plane does not necessarily mean it will be in the next version.  Just fair warning so you don't take this kind of stuff as being an announcement.

anyone believe that...lol
nice stuff mitsu.

Title: Ki-67
Post by: SKurj on August 30, 2001, 05:48:00 PM

Pongo... mebbe it means what it says.. no Ki67 for 1.08, but wonder what the odds are for 1.09!! +)


SKurj

Title: Ki-67
Post by: brady on August 30, 2001, 06:03:00 PM

TY Mitsu :)

Title: Ki-67
Post by: Zigrat on August 30, 2001, 10:47:00 PM

mitsu those images are very nice, very nice work wtg

Title: Ki-67
Post by: Mitsu on September 01, 2001, 12:22:00 PM

It seems addicts really want Japanese bomber now.  :)

Pyro,
I uploaded Ki-61 reference(1) in zip.
I will upload more files later.
Sorry for delay.

Download zip (ki67_4_pyro(1).zip) from here. http://ya.sakura.ne.jp/~micchy/244sentai/ki67/ (http://ya.sakura.ne.jp/~micchy/244sentai/ki67/)

Thanks,
Mitsu

Title: Ki-67
Post by: Pyro on September 01, 2001, 12:26:00 PM

Thanks Mitsu.  Are the Maru Mechanics still in print?  I thought they went out of print a long time ago.  I have to buy them used and I'd be interested in getting them new.

Title: Ki-67
Post by: Mitsu on September 01, 2001, 10:25:00 PM

Pyro,
It's still sold as palm size book in Japan.
I bought this book 4 months ago.

-Mitsu

Title: Ki-67
Post by: brady on September 02, 2001, 10:01:00 AM

Mitsu, can u list ISBN #'s? so i can find them?, It is hard to get good books on Japanese aircrft, in the States somtimes.

Title: Ki-67
Post by: Mitsu on September 02, 2001, 11:39:00 AM

Maru Mechanism of Military Aircraft
"Hiryu" / DC-3 Type Zero Transport

ISBN4-7698-0924-7

Cheers,
Mitsu

Title: Ki-67
Post by: brady on September 02, 2001, 11:57:00 AM

TY Sir. :)