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Title: German/Japanese Ultra/Magic
Post by: Delirium on July 26, 2009, 06:53:16 AM

It is easy to hear about the Allies breaking the Axis codes but you seldom hear about the Axis doing the same to the Allies.

Can anyone recommend any good books on this subject, or wish to spread some insight my way?

Title: Re: German/Japanese Ultra/Magic
Post by: Blooz on July 26, 2009, 08:00:44 AM

oura odesca erewa oota leverca ota reakba

Title: Re: German/Japanese Ultra/Magic
Post by: stroker71 on July 26, 2009, 09:11:18 AM

Quote from: Blooz on July 26, 2009, 08:00:44 AM

oura odesca erewa oota leverca ota reakba

our codes where to cleaver to break

I don't think so

Title: Re: German/Japanese Ultra/Magic
Post by: OOZ662 on July 26, 2009, 11:31:00 AM

The Navajo Code Talkers were a major pain for the axis (Japanese only?) due to their language not really coinciding with most of the others in the world.

Title: Re: German/Japanese Ultra/Magic
Post by: SirFrancis on July 26, 2009, 12:29:14 PM

"As of early 1943, German cryptanalysts were able to read M-209 messages (...)."quote -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-209 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-209)

Regarding the German telepolis article, that is mentioned in wikipedia -> http://www.heise.de/tp/r4/artikel/18/18371/1.html (http://www.heise.de/tp/r4/artikel/18/18371/1.html) the first

paragraphs were translated into English: http://www.mail-archive.com/cryptography@metzdowd.com/msg02895.html (http://www.mail-archive.com/cryptography@metzdowd.com/msg02895.html)

Delirium, maybe this info may help you for further investigation...

Title: Re: German/Japanese Ultra/Magic
Post by: MrBill on July 26, 2009, 01:13:10 PM

Fourteen Comanches of the 4th Infantry Division were in the D-day invasion.
Twenty-seven Meskwaki used their language against the Germans in North Africa.
Choctaw and Cherokee served as code talkers in WWI in France.
Check it out here

http://www.nmai.si.edu/education/codetalkers/html/

Title: Re: German/Japanese Ultra/Magic
Post by: Delirium on July 27, 2009, 12:14:55 AM

Just what I thought, no one really knows much of anything about it. Is this because the codes were used post WWII or parts of that code is still being used today and is classified?

Title: Re: German/Japanese Ultra/Magic
Post by: Blooz on July 27, 2009, 02:28:21 AM

It's probably more along the lines of the Axis powers not winning any major battles based on their ability to read Allied codes. The classic examples being Midway or the Battle of the Atlantic.

Then there's the Operation Fortitude story. The one example I can think of where the Axis could read Allied radio traffic but it was designed that way so it really doesn't count.

Title: Re: German/Japanese Ultra/Magic
Post by: Shuffler on July 27, 2009, 10:35:20 AM

Have you read this....


http://www.feldgrau.com/code.html (http://www.feldgrau.com/code.html)