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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: RipChord929 on July 26, 2009, 01:02:01 PM
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Took a little trip around the neighborhood.. Checking out the rivers, because they change every year from the winter floods... This is the upper Hoh valley... Bigfoot country!!! LOL!!!
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Went to one of my favorite Holes for the last 4yrs, it WAS about 60ft across, and 15ftdeep, bowl shaped with a sweet gravel bottom... Bummer, it was blown out, but the river shaped it into an awesome 100yd run instead, still with that sweet gravel bottom...
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Saw the fish rollin at the head pool, but they vanished into the shadows when I came too close, too fast... Stupid me, I know better than to do that... Wanted to get a pic of them in the water, nogo this time!!!
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Gave em about a half hour to calm down and relax, being real still and quiet... Then casted a 4inch black streamer, (leach) on 8lb test Maxima, with 2 splitshot, onto the current... letting it sweep gently with the flow right past the first boulder.... WHAMMO!!! About a 30min fight, almost lost him twice, and VICTORY!!!
A perfect Chrome Torpedo!!! Hoh river summer run wild Buck!! Not one of the hatchery crap fish!!!
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very nice fish. I fish for steelhead now and then and I know what you mean. Its a blast.
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Thanks Heretic... Guessin about 17lbs, nice for a summer run... I released him, never keep wild fish.. Fishing guides don't allow it on the Hoh... No hatcheries on that river, so Its an un corrupted strain of steelhead... Possibly the last in the lower 48... Its a sad story what has happened to the fish runs in WA state... They blame it on everything under the sun, except the one thing that has done more damage than any other... The state Hatcheries...
In about 80yrs, hatcheries have undone more than 1/2million yrs of natures own selective breeding.. Steelies aren't like salmon, they don't naturally die after they spawn... If they survive the trip upstream, and the rigors of the spawning ritual, they travel down to to the ocean again and start over.... Survival of the fittest!!!
Hatcheries breed those tank grown lethargic fish, (bloodline unknown), and release them into the rivers as smolts.. So when the spawning cycle starts, they spawn with the wild fish, mixing their worthless bloodline with natures own perfection... So on rivers with hatcheries, "wild fish" really aren't... To tell the difference, all you have to do is set hook on a wild stick of dynamite.. LOL, You know the diff, INSTANTLY!!!
Catching summer runs is fun, because of the wonderful weather, low clear water, and you hunt them by sight...
But winter runs are bigger fish, but the water can be high and dangerous.. Lots of guys die every year!!!
Now the "Springers" are the trophy fish, if you can endure standing in waist deep freezing water all day, while its 15degrees outside.. Most can't, and we like it that way, LOL!!!
RC
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Ohhhhh so it's not some sort of marital aid then?
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Nice catch! :aok
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greta catch. did you eat it yet?
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Oh! I need to go fishing immediately.
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Ummmm, Ripchord, where do you think the hatcheries got the fish/bloodline that they raise? Not from fish that have survived millions of years of evolution? Blaming declining fish populations in the American west on hatcheries is just about the nuttiest thing I've ever heard of.
The department of fish and game scientists know what they're talking about when they point to over logging, too many dams, and increased water diversions to not only feed, but also quench the thirst of millions of Americans who live in a veritable desert (called the American West). I don't know the specific story of the Hoh valley, but if it is unblemished you are very lucky to visit and enjoy it.
Here's a report on the 2002 Klamath River Salmon kill. Dams and water diversions slowed the river down, which caused its temperature to increase, which emboldened bacteria and parasites.
http://www.pcffa.org/KlamFishKillFactorsDFGReport.pdf (http://www.pcffa.org/KlamFishKillFactorsDFGReport.pdf)
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I love to go out west and do some fishing. Northeast has great salt water and soso fresh water.
v1st
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Where do the fish at the Hatchery tanks come from? The hatcheries themselves don't even know... They collect roe and milt from salmon and steelhead all over the place.. Raise the fish in tanks, and release them into the rivers at spawning season, either as smolts, or full grown fish... I don't care what some egghead whitepaper says, I'm tellin ya what IS!!! I have a freezer full of these worthless hatchery fish.. Flattened heads from running into the walls of the tanks, and fins and tails worn down from jostling against each other.. This corrupts the strain of fish that are specific to each river, by breeding it with fish that have never gone thru the natural selection process.. And more importantly, the fish from those hatchery tanks don't have that instinct to return to their own spawning ground.. Where are they going to spawn to, back to the FISH TANK? Proof of this is obvious, when tagged fish from a hatchery on one river, are caught while spawning into a completetely different river system... This is a COMMON occurance among those lamebrained hatchery fish.. This is just plain fact!!! And taken from the word of the the ppl who work the hatcheries themselves... I visit the hatcheries regularly, talk to the the ppl, check the fish traps, because its absolutely neccesary for me to know whats happening on the rivers.. Wouldn't be able to charge the daily fee's I get otherwise, and offer the "hook set" guarantee that I have...
Has logging, dambuilding, water diversion, commercial longline fishing, gillnetting, etc, caused the decline in fish populations? You bet it has!!! Those factors are reversable.. But the hatchery system has damaged the fish in ways so basic to the nature of the fish themselves, that they will never recover from it for thousands of years....
LOL, not all of the "American West" is a desert!!!
RC
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Where do the fish at the Hatchery tanks come from? The hatcheries themselves don't even know... They collect roe and milt from salmon and steelhead all over the place.. Raise the fish in tanks, and release them into the rivers at spawning season, either as smolts, or full grown fish... I don't care what some egghead whitepaper says, I'm tellin ya what IS!!! I have a freezer full of these worthless hatchery fish.. Flattened heads from running into the walls of the tanks, and fins and tails worn down from jostling against each other.. This corrupts the strain of fish that are specific to each river, by breeding it with fish that have never gone thru the natural selection process.. And more importantly, the fish from those hatchery tanks don't have that instinct to return to their own spawning ground.. Where are they going to spawn to, back to the FISH TANK? Proof of this is obvious, when tagged fish from a hatchery on one river, are caught while spawning into a completetely different river system... This is a COMMON occurance among those lamebrained hatchery fish.. This is just plain fact!!! And taken from the word of the the ppl who work the hatcheries themselves... I visit the hatcheries regularly, talk to the the ppl, check the fish traps, because its absolutely neccesary for me to know whats happening on the rivers.. Wouldn't be able to charge the daily fee's I get otherwise, and offer the "hook set" guarantee that I have...
Has logging, dambuilding, water diversion, commercial longline fishing, gillnetting, etc, caused the decline in fish populations? You bet it has!!! Those factors are reversable.. But the hatchery system has damaged the fish in ways so basic to the nature of the fish themselves, that they will never recover from it for thousands of years....
LOL, not all of the "American West" is a desert!!!
RC
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In a week i will be in Northwest New Mexico and southwest Colorado going on a fly fishing trip. Will be on the San Juan River and Animas River.
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No doubt hatchery fish are going to suffer some ill effects from overcrowding and may show behavioral differences, but you claimed that
In about 80yrs, hatcheries have undone more than 1/2million yrs of natures own selective breeding...mixing their worthless bloodline with natures own perfection...
At least you have a gift for hyperbole.
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No doubt hatchery fish are going to suffer some ill effects from overcrowding and may show behavioral differences, but you claimed that
At least you have a gift for hyperbole.
Anax,
You might as well stop. He thinks he knows what he is talking about. Therefore, he is impervious to logical reason. He doesn't understand what you're even referring to, and has zero grasp on genetics.
"flattened heads from running into tanks and fins and tails worn down from jostling". Neither of these are genetic deficiencies, and there is no net decline in the stock for this. The fish were not hatched with these traits, they acquired them after, and are not expressed in the genetic makeup, in any way or form. The much more attractive native stock looks better, may even taste better, but has no difference in gene structure.
Farm raised salmon are serious problems, but not to the salmon genetic stock.
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Well, My Bonafides is in the photos, where's yours? I've caught thousands of steelhead and salmon over my lifetime... You?
In a mixed run environment, I can tell what kind of fish they are by the strike, without even seeing them, You?
Seems to me, that my gift of "hyperbole", is far surpassed buy your gifts of abject Boobery!!!
RC
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Well, My Bonafides is in the photos, where's yours? I've caught thousands of steelhead and salmon over my lifetime... You?
In a mixed run environment, I can tell what kind of fish they are by the strike, without even seeing them, You?
Seems to me, that my gift of "hyperbole", is far surpassed buy your gifts of abject Boobery!!!
RC
Behavior and outward physical traits do not a genome make, sir. Acting like they do, won't make it true.
How many microsatellite tags have you looked at? Using BAC or other? Is the genome highly polymorphic?
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Nice fing fish man. :aok I would love to have that kind of area in my neck of the woods.
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Thanks guys, that is a nice summer run steelie.. But you guys would really get a kick out of one of the "Big Daddy" fish...
This is my youngest son, on a trip to Gold River, on the west side of Vancouver Island.. Deep in the canyon, gotta be
a bit of a rockclimber as well as a fisherman... Dangerous going, but the rewards are great!!!
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/RipChord929/HowieatGoldRiverVancouverIs.jpg)
Now this is BigDaddy himself, a trophy springer buck, about 30lbs worth of him.. Early March of 07, nailed a humpybomb
on a 3ft 14lb test leader... He's a 3spawn fish, probably 12 years in the salt water... The best of the best... Tough as nails,
about an Hour long struggle.. He tried every trick in the book, heading downstream, taking major yardage off my reel, then
cutting HARD upstream, creating a huge belly in my line.. I'm reelin in the slack like a madman, when he clears the water for
a triple gainer with a twist... It was awesome, he was tailwalkin, ppl on the bank Whoopin and Hollerin, LOL!!!
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Rip, I hear ya Bud........Nothing like a wild fish on the line when flinging string.
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Thx SIM, Its always an adventure... I've put alot of chiteatin grins on peoples faces, when they hook into a good one...
Some trophies on their walls too... Its a lucky thing, when you can make part of your living, doing what you would normally do for fun anyway...
:salute RC
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Trip to Gold River eh? Wich river did ya fish? Heber is usualy good above the canyons, gold is decent in general, best above second bridge. The Muchulat is pretty decent near the A-Frame. Normaly I fish the Oktwanch though, caught some beauties in there a few years ago. Best Steelhead and Salmon fishing in the world here.
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Real nice Rip!!!
I dont get a chance to hit those summer run fish living near the great lakes but I do get a shot at the spring/fall runs.
Mind if I ask the type of equipment you use,and if flies what are your favs?
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Hey guys, yeah, Vancouver Island has so much good water that I couldn't cover it all in a million yrs... ALL HAIL THE PINK WORM :pray LOL!!!
Up there, I'm just a Yank on foreign territory tho.. A local would know places that I could never find.... Just like me around the Forks/Olympics area...
My gear, personally I use Loomis baitcast (steelhead) rods, 10.5>12 ft long, ultralight or light action... Stiffer for heavier water!
Right now, a Quantum reel, can't remember the model# off hand... It'll hold several hundred yds of 12 lb line.. Less for heavier line naturally...
Have to make sure ya have enough, in case they try to spool ya.. Hate when they do that, Kings mostly, head downstream and go, fat lazy bastards LOL!!!
Using my #2 Rod/Reel right now because I went for an unintentional swim last February... Lost my favorite set up.... Dammit!!!
In winter,
The heaviest line I use is 16lb test mainline.. With 2lb lighter leader.. Stainless BB swivels, Hollow core lead crimped to the tag end of the leader...
Double over the leader Tagend before ya crimp, for a better hold... Less stuff to carry that way, as opposed to solid core and Surgical tube...
And it still releases well enough if snagged, so ya don't have to tie a new rig... Slinkies are just too much trouble, and I don't care for the feel...
Summer,
I delete the whole swivel arrangement and just use splitshot.. Less crap to scare the fish... You know how picky they get in clear water!!!!
Lighter line of course for the same reason... Maxima line exclusively.... Easy to work with, very transparent, good abrasion resistance...
Bait, I use all artificial... Corkies/yarn, Homemade Humpybombs in various colors, or streamers in low clear water... Spinners catch too many trout...
Size and color, Depends on conditions... Which vary so much, I could write all night about it without covering it all...
Fly set ups, from 4>8wt depending on where I'm fishing... Usually wet, shooting heads... Dark streamers, black/brown ostrich feather...
And it ALL depends on if I'm in the sled, driftboat, or humpin the bank...
Good to see some other guys who know the "deal"...
:salute RC
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Hey Rip
I use a 2 prong approach,either fly rod or float rod.
I have a loomis center pin and a 12'6" "noodle rod,it's a st.croix blank rated to 6lbs max.
Ofcourse I use abit heavier mainline,think 10lb but thats around 600 yds,tried 12 and it was abit stiff.Then I tie on a leader of less than 6lb test so I dont break the rod....LOL been there done that!
as for flyrods,well I have from 3wt to 10wt,with acouple of 5wts and a couple of 8wts.I use alot of those west coast flies,eggsucking leech is a fav but my goto fly would be a wooly bugger.Thats if I'm hitting steelies or salmon.
We have a blue ribbon brown river nearby and well it's catch release only,so they're picky but a #18-20 caddis will bring them up.
I envy you,living out there and if my health was better I'd be there fishing with ya. :aok
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LOL, yeah I've broken a few rods, usually when I hook into something bigger than intended...
My wife likes to fly cast for the native rainbows, cutties, and Dollies in the creek at the N border
of our property.. And Loves to horse pack up to the high meadow lakes for those little Golden Trout..
She's kinda fearfull of the big water, so she stays away from it.. Truthfully, I'm really glad of that..
If something happened to her It'd kill me... She lands some rightious fish tho..
Brownies are supposed to be great fish too, good sized.. Not native to my area, so they are
viewed by many as a bit of a plague.. I hear that they tend to wipe the out native species by
eating the smolts... Oh man, that would be a nightmare around here!!! Also someone, at sometime
transplanted Tiger Muskies into some of the bigger lakes around here too.. They are wiping out
some of the Kokanee, (landlocked coho) populations.. Sad!!! Somebody's stupid Idea!!!
Wish they would just leave well enough alone, messin with the natural order is never good...
Going to a family reunion this weekend at Gateway, (Mt Rainier)... Geee Fun!!! After I say
Hi to all the ppl that I hardly know, I'm gonna try to sneak away to do a little trout fishing
in Cat creek, or the Tilton river.. Don't get over that way very much anymore... Wife isn't
gonna like it when I throw fishing gear in the 4runner, LOL!!!
If ya ever get out this way Morf, I'd take ya fishin.. Get ya out on the Jetsled, ppl always
get a real kick outta that...
:salute RC
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Hey Rip THX for the offer,and ya never know,I have family out in BC.
I hear ya on the browns and for that matter the transplanting of any nonnative fish!
The browns were brought over from Europe in the 1800's so they're here to stay,actually the river I mentioned did support cold water fish for years but a dam and the coldwater discharge changed that and 20 odd years ago they started this program.Now we have 24 to 30 inch browns reproducing naturally and people travel form all over to fish it.
The closest I get to the fish you take for granted..LOL,,are greatlake salmon and steelies.We have coho,Chinooks and pinks with good spring and fall runs of trout.
Ya a few years back I broke an old Fenwick,luved that rod but the shinnie I hooked was abit much for it and it exploded in my hand...That and a couple floatrod have met their maker,I keep a shrine for those broken rods and never let my sage flyrods see them.... :rofl :rofl :rofl
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ps:post more pix when ya can K!!