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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: g00bd0g on August 02, 2000, 04:23:00 PM
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Is there a place where you can see the top requested aircraft for AH? If not, maybe we can start one on this thread? I vote for:
ME-110
P-39
Illuysion IL-10 Stormovick (I know I misspelled the hell outta that (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
JU-87 Stutka
JU-88
190-d9 - d13
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Brewster model 239 Buffalo, in finnish colours, please!
If I could choose a specific paint scheme, I'd probably pick BW-393 "Orange 9" of Capt Hans "Hasse" Wind, the world's top scoring Brewster ace. He scored a total of 75 victories during 302 sorties, making him the second ranking Finnish Air Force pilot. Of his 39 Brewster kills, 26 were claimed in BW-393. The rest of his kills were achieved flying the 109 G-2 and G-6. Wind received the Mannerheim Cross twice.
FAF achieved a kill-to-loss ratio of 32:1 with the Brewsters, during over 3 years of combat in 1941-44.
Camo
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Camouflage
XO, Lentolaivue 34
www.muodos.fi/LLv34 (http://www.muodos.fi/LLv34)
Brewster into AH!
"The really good pilots use their superior judgement to keep them out of situations
where they might be required to demonstrate their superior skill."
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3 hours 18 minutes...
Camo, each time you do it later..
Or you ask faster or NO BREWSTER FOR YOU! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
oh..btw...
FW190D9 PLEASE!!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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A fixed 109G10.
The effects the "prop drag" has on it are pure bull manure from what I've read (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
I like to fly it near the absolute safe limits (that also means I get into defensive situations where acceleration and snapshots are the keys to survival). My performance in this area has gone down quite a bit since "prop drag" was introduced.
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StSanta
JG54 "Grünherz"
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I must say that I don't need 190D9, I need Brewster Buffalo (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I must try that 109G10 sometime again, because my two flights, first flights at all in AH after months, were good success with only remark - it isnt really smart to scratch your plane onto flying wreckages that just lost half of the surfaces.
Remark for folks like torque; this isn't "oh I am so good" quote, but that I didn't find anything wrong in 109G10 those times for my wonder. (just little extra note: its stall speed seems lower than it was, doesn't stall so easy)
But well.. LW planes are welcome to be better (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
[This message has been edited by Fishu (edited 08-03-2000).]
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fishy, try making an installation of 1.02 of Ah, fly the G10, notice acceleration and lack of slip to down and left after vertical input.
Then try v 1.03 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
If you cannot notice the difference, you are not a 109 driver (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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StSanta
JG54 "Grünherz"
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Originally posted by RAM:
3 hours 18 minutes...
Camo, each time you do it later..
Or you ask faster or NO BREWSTER FOR YOU! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Hey!!! Stop harrassing innocent people on the BBS! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
If its up to me, AH will have a BW before a Dora. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) But in any case, a dora would be nice, indeed. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Camo
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Hmm lets see, don't feel like being flamed for wanting more US IRON , so to satisfy the LW contigent, give them the Dora, Then:
F6F-5 with 2x20mm/4x.50 cal pls, and a carrier to fly it from (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Hamish!
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still would love to see a ME 410 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif).
Maik
<JG54 Grünherz>
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Originally posted by Hamish:
Hmm lets see, don't feel like being flamed for wanting more US IRON , so to satisfy the LW contigent, give them the Dora, Then:
F6F-5 with 2x20mm/4x.50 cal pls, and a carrier to fly it from (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Where from you get cannons for it?
Should be 6x.50...? (doublechecks F6F-5..)
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Fishu, go check out the "Votes for F6F Hellcat, now that the Zero is here?" thread in this forum, where its being discussed.
From the F6F-5 onward, it was possible to mount x2 20mm cannons, plus x4 .50's. Now, how many of the day fighter versions that were actually armed like this is in doubt.
But many of the F6F-5N's (Night Fighter versions) definitely had the mixed cannon and MG armament package.
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"
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The SPIT XIV Ofcourse!
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Fw190D-9
Ta152
Me262
Fw190F
Ju87B
Ju87G
He219
Ju88C-6
Hs129
He177
He274
He111
Do17
Fw200
Bf110G
Bf110C
Bf109E-3
Bf109K-6
Me210
Me410
Me163
Ju52
Ar234
He162
Fi156
Do335
Me264
Do217
Pather V
Tiger I
Tiger II
Whirbelwind
Panzer III
Sisu
-Karnak
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Fighters
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D9
Ki-84
Spit14 (Personally I'd rather have a Tempest, but I think the Spit14 would be flown by more people)
F4U-4 & F4U-4B (same thing but with cannons)
La7
Bombers
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Emily
Stormovik
Ground
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Sherman
U.S. 75mm Hi-Vel SP ATG (forget the name)
German Half-Track
Whirlwind Flakpanzer
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[This message has been edited by SpyHawk (edited 08-03-2000).]
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no f1u-4b the f4u-4 will do quite nicely, thank you
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Hehe, I realize that numbers produced don't have much bearing on what we get, but nearly 1/3 of F4U-4 puction numbers are cannon armed "B"s...and hey, we all love the cannon-hog....don't we? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Originally posted by Zigrat:
no f1u-4b the f4u-4 will do quite nicely, thank you
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Karnak, I was under the impression that the Me-109K6 never made it past the prototype stage. Am I incorrect?
And the F4U-4B? Oh boy (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) If you think people scream and moan about the F4U-1C, this plane will bring instant panic (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Imagine a -1C that was almost 50mph faster, climbed MUCH faster, and accelerated much better. It would be a true terror.
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"
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Kawanishi H8K2
Nakajima Ki-84 Hayate
Mitsubishi J2M Raiden
Aichi B7A2 Ryusei
Ki-67-I Hiryu
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F4U-4b (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Dewoitine D.520!!!
Vive la France
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Just 2
Mosquito FB VI
Beaufighter (Any Late Mark)
Lets bring the RAF into the late part of the war instead of being stuck in 1942).
TTFN
snafu
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Karnak, have you been seduced by the dark side?
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Nah, Karnak is trying to make a point.
He wants all the LW dream list to be included. Then he can start a thread about the Spit XIV without the LW pirating it. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
That's correct, isn't it, Karnak? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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For you Fishu, from a U.S. Military Source,so you don't think it's just wishful thinking (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
(You will need Adobe Acrobat Reader to read the document)
http://www.history.navy.mil/branches/hist-ac/f6f-5.pdf (http://www.history.navy.mil/branches/hist-ac/f6f-5.pdf)
(The ".mil" means it's a U.S. Military address)
According to this document:
"A four-cannon armament installation was tested on the first prototype. Already modified with an R-2800 engine as an XF6F-3, it was redesignated XF6F-4 when testing the cannon installation. While the four-cannon configuration didn't go into production, a two-cannon, four-gun armament could be fitted to later production F6F's and was carried by many F6F-5N's."
(http://warbird.totavia.com/jpg/f6f-01.jpg)
Hamish!
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I hear about 'many' (not all) and so on with F6F-5 and also that N.. not a wonder I were wondering in that case (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Nashwan,
Kieren has it about right. Almost.
The way I see it now is that the noisiest, most obnoxious group should get their stuff first, including stuff that is better than whatever is added later. That way they can't b***h about other sides having stuff that is actually almost competitive with what they have. Eventually I'd like to see the Spitfire MkXIV, as Kieren noted, H8K2 Emily, J2M3 Raiden, Tu-2, S.M.79, Mosquito B.IX, Mosquito FB.VI, Mosquito NF.XXX, F6F, and many others. But to do this without constant bawling coming from certain, very vocal, members of this board I think the entire Luftwaffe lineup needs to be modeled first.
Sisu
-Karnak
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F4U-4B? While we are in that time period maybe we can get a F-84 too?
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and a skyraider hehe
and while i hear alot for the me 262
why not the gloster meteor too
but i prefer the prop planes 40' 45'
-wellington
-wacko gliders or airspeed horsa glider to carry light vechiles
and for the lancaster we need some pathfinders like the mosquito to mark the target
also like to see the beaufighter and tempest too
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PV-2 Harpoon, US Naval equivilant of the A-20 Havoc (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Oh ya and a Privateer. The more Pacific planes the merrier. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
- Jig
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Bf.109K
Bf.110G
Fw.190D
Me.210
Me.410 (with the 50mm (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) )
F6F-3
F6F-5
B-25H-5
P-47N
P-51B
Ki.61 TONY
Ki.102 RANDY
Ki.43 OSCAR
Ki.84 FRANK (forgot about this one)
G4M
Mosquito
Spitfire XIV
Tempest
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I-16
Buffalo (for Camo)
Mig 3
F6f (for Hamish)
Pzl-11C
190D9 (for RAM)
MS406
Spit 14 (for all the RAF types no shaddup)
A bloody great ship (hint pyro, CV)
Something with torpedoes ( (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif))
P40 ('cause no other plane looks better)
P61 (for Rip,Hang, Et al)
Bf109E (with yellow nose please)
HE-111
JU-87B
DO-17
BR-20
SM.79
Potez
Emily
Betty
Jack
A Train
AT guns
(the list in my head goes on and on, but these will suffice to get the traditional,too uber,too wimpy argument going at full heat)
(busying meself pouring coffee grounds,come on folks, I could really use a cup of joe (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) )
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pzvg- "5 years and I still can't shoot"
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Originally posted by juzz:
F4U-4B? While we are in that time period maybe we can get a F-84 too?
Juzz, the "B" was just the deignation for the cannon armed F4U-4, both versions of which DID see combat in WW2.
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Originally posted by Fishu:
I hear about 'many' (not all) and so on with F6F-5 and also that N.. not a wonder I were wondering in that case (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
The point is I'd like to see the armament as an Option fishu, not the "Only" loadout. Hell, make it available as only with a radar pod for night fighting, since that is what the loadout seems to be predominately for (but who can say how many were modified in the field to be fitted with the 2x20 4x.50 version) I'd still fly it 24/7 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif) This was the mainstay of U.S. Naval fighter aircraft. The F4u was mainly a marine fighter for most of the war, navy pilots didn't like the low visibility on carrier landings when it first appeared. How can **Any** serious Pacific scenario or Historical Event be complete without this fighter?
My $.02
P.S. Thanks for the Vote pzvg! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Hamish!
(http://pages.hotbot.com/games/davekirk/images/Logos.jpg)
[This message has been edited by Hamish (edited 08-05-2000).]
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SpyHawk, I wont bet the farm on its accuracy, but my booklet says, "The F4U-4B cannon armed varient was similar to the earlier F4U-1C and was armed with two 20 mm ... The F4U-4B's arrived too late to see combat in Second World Warbut were used extensively in Korea ...". F4U CORSAIR in action, Aircraft Number 145, squadron/signal publications, page 33.
Is there any additional material to support or contradict this?
Oh yes ... nearly forgot (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
F4U-4 and Tempest V
Cheers
Yosus
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'One day, flight simulation will be so realistic, that you'll need to wear brown corduroy'
Phoenix Squadron.
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Here is my wish list....
For RAF:
couple of versions of Spits, including SpiXIV obiously
Tempest
Seafire
Swordfish (hahaha)
USAF:
F6
P-47N
P-47M
P-51B
SBD
Jap:
Whatever they have there, I don't fly paper planes (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Germans:
FW190D9
Me262
Ju88 heavy fighter
Me410
Bf110
no TA152, no matter what people say it's the plane that have never completed full testing program (ohh yes I have TA152 book, so read it before arguing with me)
Russian:
Yak-9DD (no need for thos half experimantal versions with heavy cannons, they didn't reach operational status)
Yak-3
Yak-7
Yak-1
La-7
Il-2
Pe-2
Tu-2
russian bombers, don't know the names....
Now there is a whole list of uber planes that I want to see, including Ta152 and bunch of others, but that's different thread already.
mx22
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I have to admit, I forget where I read that the 4B saw combat, and for all I know the source could have been incorrect.
Still would like to see the -4 in any version.
If they came up with a way to display a radar screen the P61 would be cool as hell too though. Mabey if they could come up with a night-fighter radar screen then they could introduce several night fighters and make the night time in the MA last three times as long.
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Some books say the -4B saw action in WWII and some say they didn't.
But then again some people think that the -4B is often confused, with the -1C's in those books that DO say they saw action.
I have at least one or two books at home that talk about the -4B participating in the battle for Okinawa if your interested.
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"
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F8F
F7F
P-51H
P-47M
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SnakeEyes
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=4th Fighter Group=
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Originally posted by SnakeEyes:
F8F
F7F
P-51H
P-47M
Hahaha Snake,
LW boys will eat you alive for requestion your first 2 choices, and maybe even third (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
mx22
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Ki-44 Shoki
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Vermillion, yes I am interested. Very much so!
It would be great if you could share the titles (and publishers) of those books as I am interested in expanding my library on aircraft of the WWII era.
My email is krisnop@ozemail.com.au if you prefer to email the info.
Anyone else who have a particular tome they regard as indispensable for an armchair WWII air-combat historian wannabe ... please feel free to respond also.
Thank you very much (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
Cheers
Yosus.
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'One day, flight simulation will be so realistic, that you'll need to wear brown corduroy'
Phoenix Squadron.
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Yeah, what were those titles? And to you trust their accuracy?
I've seen many books on WWII a/c and seen some pretty sloppy errors. I'm sure plenty of us have seen those.
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Ooops sorry, originally put this in another thread. Here it is.
F4U-4B Combat History Reference:
Here is one source of combat history of the F4U-4B. But I will say that true Corsairs fans will debate the subject endlessly over whether they were truely -1C's or -4B's.
F4U Corsair: Combat, Developement, and Racing History of the Corsair (Motorbooks International, Warbird History Series). By Nicholas Veronico, with John and Donna Campbell. ISBN#: 0-87938-854-4
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F4U-4's and the new cannon equipped F4U-4B's flew into combat for the first time on April 7, 1945. While launching Corsairs of MAG-31 from the decks of the escort CV's USS Sitkoh Bay(CVE-86) and USS Breton (CVE-23), a Japanese Kawasaki Ki-48 "Lily" bomber on a Kamikaze mission was reported 10 miles from the carriers at an altitude of 500 ft. The Corsairs engaged the Lily, firing into the bombers engines and fueselage. Five pilots from VMF-311 riddled the bomber with 20mm cannon fire. Although heavily damaged, the Lily continued the attack on the Sitkoh Bay. About 50 yards from the ship, the Lily's starboard wing failed, and the bomber crashed short of the carrier
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Here is a link to the book on Barnes&Noble's website. Its pretty good with alot of good pictures. Its softback and sales for $24.95
http://shop.barnesandnoble.com/bookSearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=47SN5N3D0X&mscssid=R9ME9M7FD4S92N9L001PQJ9WMWKBAAC2&isbn=0-87938-854-4 (http://shop.barnesandnoble.com/bookSearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=47SN5N3D0X&mscssid=R9ME9M7FD4S92N9L001PQJ9WMWKBAAC2&isbn=0-87938-854-4)
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"
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A bit off topic but ... nancy boys in spitfires?
Tell that to the brave man who saved Great Brittain in their feinest hour.
I personally fly p38 but hmmm no radials
i must be nancy
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
just let everybody fly what they like
spits are very beautiful.
No offence ok but some statements are really annoying.
Some call spitpilots dweeps some call them nancy i think it's not correct.
i even think they must be brave because off the lack off speed and power.
For the rest have fun with ur corsair it's a nice plane like the rest.
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Here is another link to a F4U-4B seeing combat in WW2.
http://www.vought.com/his_index.html (http://www.vought.com/his_index.html)
Here is a pic for your pleasure as well.
(http://www.vought.com/photos/images/1111_02.jpg)
Look at the date. By the way there were 1700 F4U-4's built during WW2. In the end it was the most produced varient of the bird.
Later
F4UDOA
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BUG_EAF322,
Thank you.
Sisu
-Karnak
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A long list of what would be almost a full set.
Great Britain
Wellington
Lancaster
Beaufighter
Mosquito
Gladiator
Hurricane Mk.I, Mk.II, Mk.IV
Spitfire Mk.I, Mk.IX, XII, Mk.XIV
Meteor II, III
U.S.A.
B-17E, F
B-24-D, J
B-25-C, H, J
B-29
A-20
A-26
TDB-1
TBF (TBM)
SDB-3, -5
F2A-1, F2F-2
F4F-4, FM-2
F6F-3, F6F-5
A-36, P-51A, P-51B P-51H
P-36
P-40 B, C, F, N
P-38-F
P-39
P-47C, P-47N
P-63
Not needed, But nice
PBY
CW-21B
F7F
F8F
P-80
France
M.S.406
D.520
C.C.C.P.
Pe.8
Tu.2
Il.4
Il-2
Pe.2
I.16
MiG-3
Yak-3
Germany
He.177
He.111 (a bunch-o-types)
Ju.88 (a bunch-o-types)
Do.17
Ju.87
Hs.129
He.219
Bf.110
Bf.109C, D, E, K
Fw.190D
Me.262
Nice, but..
Ar234
Me.163
Italy
SM.79
CANT Z.1007
Piaggio P.108
M.C.200
C.R.32
C.R.42
G.50
G.55
Re.2001
Japan
Ki-51
B5N
B6N
D3A
Ki-67
G4M
A5M2
Ki-43
Ki-44
Ki-61
Ki-100
Ki-84
Dino in Reno
MC202
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Hmmm...
Development didn't stop with the 425 mph F4U-1 production version of the airplane. There was the F4U-1D with six .50 cal wing mounted guns and twin pylons for bombs and external fuel tanks. A night fighter version, the F4U-2, with airborne intercept radar and auto pilot had to be handed over to the Naval Aircraft Factory for conversion from the F4U-1 configuration because of the press of other work at Vought. The F4U-4C, a 450 mph Fighter, with four 20 mm wing mounted cannons embodied more than 3000 design changes from it's predecessors and became the Navy's answer to improved Japanese aircraft. The F4U-4B version provided the capability to carry eight 5 inch rockets under the wing or up to a 4000 lb bomb load an centerline and wing mounted pylon racks.
F4U-4C ??? - edit: found a book that says the -4B was the designation for planes meant for the RN FAA(never delivered though), and the -4C was the cannon-armed version. Other books refer to the cannon-armed -4B only, and do not mention the -4C at all.
Concerning this quote:
F4U-4's and the new cannon equipped F4U-4B's flew into combat for the first time on April 7, 1945. While launching Corsairs of MAG-31 from the decks of the escort CV's USS Sitkoh Bay(CVE-86) and USS Breton (CVE-23), a Japanese Kawasaki Ki-48 "Lily" bomber on a Kamikaze mission was reported 10 miles from the carriers at an altitude of 500 ft. The Corsairs engaged the Lily, firing into the bombers engines and fueselage. Five pilots from VMF-311 riddled the bomber with 20mm cannon fire. Although heavily damaged, the Lily continued the attack on the Sitkoh Bay. About 50 yards from the ship, the Lily's starboard wing failed, and the bomber crashed short of the carrier
In F4U Corsair At War by Richard Abrams - there is a photo of some F4U-1C's with wings folded up on deck, with the following caption:
Cannon-armed VMF-311 "Helles Belles" F4U-1C Corsairs aboard the USS Breton (CVE-23). The first time these guns were fired in combat was 7th April 1945, when five VMF-311 pilots shot down a Lily that was making a kamikaze charge toward the carrier USS Sitkoh Bay off the island of Okinawa. /US national Archives
Also, that photo of a F4U-4B - exactly when did the USN start putting a (red?) stripe through the star-and-bar insignia? edit: I found out at http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq2-1.htm (http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq2-1.htm)
(http://www.history.navy.mil/pics/acins11.gif)
January 14, 1947
A horizontal red stripe, centered on the white horizontal bar, was added to the National Aircraft Insignia.
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My understanding is that F4U-4C's were remanufactured F4U-4's that had their guns upgraded from .50's to 20mm's. Maybe some avionics upgrades too, but I am not sure about the later.
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Yeah, that's what I gathered from further examination of the Vought website. It would also appear the -4 and -4C didn't have all the bomb/rocket pylons like the -4B did.
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Brewster Buffalo(!) in FAF colours...thats all I need to say (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Chain
Aki Holopainen
aki.holopainen@quicknet.inet.fi
VLeLv FennoManiacs (http://www.kolumbus.fi/timo.sundvik/fennot/)
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Originally posted by F4UDOA:
Look at the date. By the way there were 1700 F4U-4's built during WW2. In the end it was the most produced varient of the bird.
I'm not so certain that those are dates on those pictures, but if they are, they're incorrect. The markings on those planes are clearly postwar.
The common references to F4U-4Bs in WWII combat is an error that should read F4U-1Cs. VMF-311 was really equipped with F4U-1Cs in which they scored 71 kills during the Okinawa campaign.
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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations
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Thanks for clearing that up Pyro.
Sooo...I guess I'll have to switch BACK to .50's when you get the F4U-4 in there then?
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Hawker Hurricane Mk I
Hawker Hurricane Mk II
The Mk I is my all time fav WW2 plane i really want it in there, ahhh well
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<(" ^) <(" )> <( ")> (^ ")> Disco Fever!
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Originally posted by mx22:
no TA152, no matter what people say it's the plane that have never completed full testing program (ohh yes I have TA152 book, so read it before arguing with me)
Actually the TA-152 was used to protect the ME-262's during their vulnerable take offs and landings. There is a great story of 3 TA-152's intercepting a pair of Tempests (I believe) while they were attacking a German railyard. Gonna have dig to find it.
Anyways,
ME109K-4
ME-262-a1
ME-410
LA-7
KI-84
KI-100
Gloster Gladiator(gotta have some targets)
Fairey Swordfish (see above)
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LJK_Raubvogel
Luftjäger I-13
Luftjägerkorps (http://www.luftjagerkorps.com)
[This message has been edited by LJK Raubvogel (edited 08-26-2000).]
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pic below says it all (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Oh Jeez, if I only had a rearview mirror!
Bies
(http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Adventure/5503/ww2planes/huricane.jpg)
And bring the A26 and Hurricane (Mk IIC/D) to AH!!!
[This message has been edited by YankeeStation (edited 08-26-2000).]
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Buffalo!
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USSR------------
Yak3
La7
Il2
Pe2
T34/75
USA-------------
P63"Kingcobra"
P40"Warhawk"
F6F"Hellcat"
M4A1
German
Ju52
British
Swordfish
HurricaneIIc
IJN
J2M2"Raiden"
N1K1b"Shiden"
G8N1"Renzan"
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boys you have forgotten F22 F16 MIG41 ecc. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
Sorry.... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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I just hope the F-16 is block 60.
IRST and you never have to worry about drop tanks.
If only they give us Python IV's to shoot with it.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) :P
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Spit 21 (griffon 85)
You know the LW would love it :
2370 hp
4 cannons
no torque (contra rotating prop)
390 mph at sea level
good roll at high speed! (at 400 mph spit 1 would roll at 18 deg/secs where as spit 21 would roll at 68 deg/sec)
I am not sure if the griffon 85 spit 21's saw any service during WW2 (i know the griffon 61 version did). Any info?
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Spitfire Mk F.21s were stationed on the continent in March of 1945. They conducted sorties over enemy territory through the remainder of the war.
I've never found any record of actual combat though.
This would make a good perk plane.
Sisu
-Karnak
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Ahhh... all I want is my PBY.
Just take a few leisurely flights around... maybe do some spotting maybe some bombing or torping... mostly finding a small secluded island to do some fishin, pop a few beers and check out the native women. Ahhhh
oooh and maybe the me163... that thing's just cool lookin, prolly wouldn't fly it too much myself but I still think it would be cool.
But PLEEEEEEASE give us a PBY. I promise I'll come fish some of you guys outta the drink. I'll even form a SAR squadron.
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My plane request list. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
1. Ki-61-II "TONY"
2. Ki-61-Ic or Ki-61-Id "TONY"
3. Ki-67-Ia "PEGGY"
4. Ki-100-I
5. L2D3 "TABBY" (Copy version of DC-3)
6. Ki-84-Ia "FRANK"
7. Ki-44-II or III "Tojo"
8. Ki-102b "RANDY"
9. Ki-43-II "OSCAR"
10. Ki-46-IIIb "DINAH" (37mm*1, 20mm*2)
11. J2M3 or J2M5 "JACK"
12. A6M2b "ZEKE"
13. G8N1 "RITA" (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
I will use Ki-61-II(or Ki-61d), or Ki-100-Ib as main fighter, use Ki-67 as B-26B, use G8N1 as B-17G, and use L2D3 as C-47. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
-Mitsu
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[This message has been edited by Mitsu (edited 08-31-2000).]
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Mitsu,
You left out the H8K2 "Emily".
How could you. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Sisu
-Karnak
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Many people listed up many planes. So, I list up only Japanese latest good performance arms only.Japanese Army planes
- Ki-61-II[/b] This model loaded Ha-140 engine --- 1250HP, 2 Ho-5 20mm cannons on the nose and 2 Ho-103 12.7mm guns on the wings. It can fly 610km/h and was producted 374 planes. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) I love it!
- Ki-100[/b] This model was born from Ki-61-II to change the engine to Ha-112II --- 1500HP. Because many Ha-140 engines had trouble and production became very slow. Lots of Ki-61 without engine was waiting. So, Ha-112 was put instead.
Japanese Navy planes
- M6A1[/b] "Seiran" Special Atack Bomber. Engine is Atsuta-32 --- lisence production DB601A 1400HP. Maximum speed is 560km/h (No bomb) or 474km/h (with bomb).
Armament
A gunner has 13mm gun
250kg bomb or 800kg bomb or 800kg torpedo
Japanese Navy Submarine
- Type I-400[/b] It's just submarine carrier vehicle! Japanese Navy only could produced this arm in the world. I-400 loaded 3 M6A1. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/eek.gif)
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Batmann <CO/JG68> from Tokyo, Japan
JG68 Briefing Room (http://www.ceres.dti.ne.jp/~batman/jg68/)
"FESSE" Far East Special Scnario Event (http://www.ceres.dti.ne.jp/~tamichi/ahevent/jp/top.htm)
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Originally posted by Batmann:
- Ki-61-II[/b] This model loaded Ha-140 engine --- 1250HP, 2 Ho-5 20mm cannons on the nose and 2 Ho-103 12.7mm guns on the wings. It can fly 610km/h and was producted 374 planes. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) I love it!
[/B]
hmmmmmmm, Ha-140 is 1450hp engine, isn't it?
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Originally posted by Mitsu:
hmmmmmmm, Ha-140 is 1450hp engine, isn't it?
Ya, I agree It's my fault. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
Originally posted by Mitsu:
Maximum speed is 560km/h (No bomb) or 474km/h (with bomb).
It's not correct. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif) Maximum speed is 560km/h (No floats) or 474km/h (with floats). M6A1 could drop float away.
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Batmann <CO/JG68> from Tokyo, Japan
JG68 Briefing Room (http://www.ceres.dti.ne.jp/~batman/jg68/)
"FESSE" Far East Special Scnario Event (http://www.ceres.dti.ne.jp/~tamichi/ahevent/jp/top.htm)
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I see, but
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Originally posted by Mitsu:
Maximum speed is 560km/h (No bomb) or 474km/h (with bomb).
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I haven't posted it. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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I suggest J2M3
US Technology Air Inteligence tested captured J2M3 in May 1945 at Phillipin.
its known as "Jack Report"
I have never seen original, but have had a one tracelated to Japanese Language.
Could anybody look for original?
according to it
Powerplant: One Mitsubishi MK4R-A Kasei 23a
1,870hp for Take-off
1,695hp at 2,000m for Millitary
1,940hp at 1,350m for Emergency
Max Speed
578kph sea level
671kph 5060m
Climb
to 3050m in 2.3min
to 6100m in 5.1min
Ceiling 11800m
In this report there are also the impression of J2M3 by skillful test pilot who had tested many plane. It is very interesting.
So I would like to see original and love to see Jack in Aces High. :-)
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From Batmann
> Japanese Navy Submarine Type I-400
> It's just submarine carrier vehicle!
> Japanese Navy only could produced this arm
> in the world. I-400 loaded 3 M6A1.
French submarine Surcouf. One scout plane in a watertight hangar, and two 8" cruiser main guns in a turret !!
I do like the Ki 100 though, and would love to see it.
MC202
Dino in Reno
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Millenium Falcon, Millenium Falcon...or failing that a nice Mossie would do. Or an A-20 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Something nice and fast with 2 engines and LOTS of guns (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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well become a Fw driver in WB asked forever for typhon and tempest
we got typhon but it perform just like a buff plz fix it it was not a that bad plane what we have here
about Tempest the Sea Fury proved the quality of tempest , sisi fires are in old after the war (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)