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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Saxman on July 29, 2009, 06:17:03 PM
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Been a while since I've floated this one: Can we get the centerline pylon option for the 1D with options for a 500lb, 1000lb or 2000lb bomb, or drop tank? By the end of the war Corsairs were flying with a 2000lb bomb on the center pylon along with the 1000lbers and rockets like we have now. Last time I opened the skin viewer, the 1D model still had an allowance for the center rack.
Oh, and while we're at it how about a land-based 1A option in the hangar with no arrestor gear and wing-folding mechanism? Most 1As built by Goodyear were like this. Could be done using the gun package like in the B-25C gunships.
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saxman...i love you
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So the D-hog could carry 2x 1K's, 1x 2K, and 8 rockets?
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Spikes,
Correct.
I had a big list of F4U requests but I can't remember all of them anymore. One of them is to enlarge the gunsight in the bubble-top Hogs to about 2x its normal size. The thing is absolutely MICROSCOPIC right now.
Oh, and Tiny Tims!
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Dang...that loadout should be perked...IMHO...
Tiny Tim's would be great.
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Remember that you're probably not going to see it off a CV too often, if at all (no idea how it will affect the take-off roll. Even full flaps and backed up, a fully-loaded D-Hog needs most of the deck to get in the air). Rate of climb will be greatly reduced, as would range and speed. That's a LOT of iron to drop, but she's going to be extremely vulnerable getting it there.
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True...but would you perk it just for having 4000lbs coming off of a CV/land base on a fighter? Not even a Jug carries that much. I'm sure you could get it off of the deck but it would take a somewhat experienced pilot.
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True...but would you perk it just for having 4000lbs coming off of a CV/land base on a fighter? Not even a Jug carries that much. I'm sure you could get it off of the deck but it would take a somewhat experienced pilot.
That, or the CV would recently have had to turn, causing the CV to steam at a faster rate. That is, unless it was changed in the new update.
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Oh, and while we're at it how about a land-based 1A option in the hangar with no arrestor gear and wing-folding mechanism? Most 1As built by Goodyear were like this. Could be done using the gun package like in the B-25C gunships.
To be honest I'm much more interested in this option. :aok
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Oh, and while we're at it how about a land-based 1A option in the hangar with no arrestor gear and wing-folding mechanism? Most 1As built by Goodyear were like this. Could be done using the gun package like in the B-25C gunships.
Who would fly the carrier version then? Is the game capable of disallowing you to take the "hundreds pounds lighter" version off the CV?
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As a perk loadout?
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Who would fly the carrier version then? Is the game capable of disallowing you to take the "hundreds pounds lighter" version off the CV?
No, at least if it is setup like the B-25C with the glass nose verses solid nose anyway.
HTC would have to implement some sort ordnance control feature, special events would benefit from this as well.
Strip
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But again, in a game where you can land almost any plane in-game on a CV without an arrestor hook, and no real reason to fold the wings, why would anyone ever fly the heavier, carrier-capable version? If you have a choice between the two, you could choose between them even in the CV hangar. I'm not doubting the weight savings and performance increase this would give the aircraft, just making the statement that to make this reality, HTC, it would appear, would have to change a good many game mechanics. I don't think its a very simple wish.
Further more, it would also open the Pandora's Box of field mods, variants, and other associated issues with respect to other aircraft. Ultimately, the aircraft is listed as a F4U-1A and not an FG-1A, so I say the carrier equipment should stay. Perhaps what you should really be wishing for is an FG-1A, and not a field modified F4U-1A.
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Stoney, the CV variant would also have that much less use when most players know how to or have seen that you can back yourself up to the rearm area, without using the hook at all.
Further more, it would also open the Pandora's Box of field mods, variants, and other associated issues with respect to other aircraft.
Bring it on! :D
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I'd like to see folding wings added to our CV planes. Wouldn't change much, but it sure would look cool. :cool:
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Does anybody have a photo of an F4U-1D with two 1,000lb bombs, one 2,000lb bomb and eight rockets? I am a little skeptical that all of that was carried at once.
Also, the P-38L could carry two 2,000lb bombs, the Typhoon could carry sixteen rockets and so on. Many rarely used loadouts are not in the game because they would be overly dominant. It is bad enough how often 1,000lb bombs are carried by fighters already.
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Anyone know how many FG-1's were produced? The sources I've found aren't too reliable but the figure seems to be around 4,000 so I'd say it's hardly a field mod.
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Does anybody have a photo of an F4U-1D with two 1,000lb bombs, one 2,000lb bomb and eight rockets? I am a little skeptical that all of that was carried at once.
Also, the P-38L could carry two 2,000lb bombs, the Typhoon could carry sixteen rockets and so on. Many rarely used loadouts are not in the game because they would be overly dominant. It is bad enough how often 1,000lb bombs are carried by fighters already.
Which is why I think there should be a small perk on 1K bombs on fighters, I don't think any P-51D's used 6 rockets AND 2 1K bombs...
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From the USN combat statistic's it looks like land based F4U's dropped a max total of 22 2,000lbs bombs in the last 7 months of the war, and none from carrier based planes.
(http://332nd.org/dogs/baumer/Stuff/Ords45USN.jpg)
An interesting point, in 1945 land based F4U's and F6F's dropped a higher tonnage of 1000lbs bombs than 500lbs.
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An interesting point, in 1945 land based F4U's and F6F's dropped a higher tonnage of 1000lbs bombs than 500lbs.
But remember, that means roughly 8000 500lbers vs 4700 1000lbrs. Nice reference, btw.
Regards,
Hammer
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Does anybody have a photo of an F4U-1D with two 1,000lb bombs, one 2,000lb bomb and eight rockets? I am a little skeptical that all of that was carried at once.
Me aswell, I imagine the aircraft would have been too difficult to handle with that much ord strapped to it.
(not saying it didn't happen)
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Does anybody have a photo of an F4U-1D with two 1,000lb bombs, one 2,000lb bomb and eight rockets? I am a little skeptical that all of that was carried at once.
Not exactly, but here's the best I can find-
(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m309/Mtnman_03/corsair2.jpg)
And a few of F4U-1A's
(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m309/Mtnman_03/corsair3.jpg)
The text with this one says it's carrying 1000# on the center, as well as the left pylon-
(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m309/Mtnman_03/corsair1.jpg)
I'm not sure what the load on this one is, but it looks pretty hefty, and it's in the air...
(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m309/Mtnman_03/lil_audrey.jpg)
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"Col. Charles A. Lindbergh" and "Napalm" seem mighty out of content.
Shenanigans.
wrongway
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Hm. If HTC gives the Corsair the center pylon, perhaps they should give the Hellcat a center pylon too?
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Not exactly, but here's the best I can find-
Thanks, but those images don't exactly back up the claimed loadout.
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Thanks Hammer, yes it can be a little confusing discussing, tons of ordinance carried vs the number of bombs carried. And by the looks of the data, the land based Corsair's dropped a lot more thousand pounder's then the carrier based F4U's and F6F's.
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Thanks, but those images don't exactly back up the claimed loadout.
I agree!
Of course, a lack of images doesn't refute it, either...
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"Col. Charles A. Lindbergh" and "Napalm" seem mighty out of content.
Shenanigans.
wrongway
He allegedly got a couple of kills in P-38's before General Kenney found out about it. He spent a good bit of time with Corsair units too...
I can't remember where I heard it but, perhaps from Widewing, the mega-heavy Corsair loads were more common during Korea (with the F4U-4/F4U-5) versus WWII. Regardless of who's flying that photo attributed to Col. Lindbergh, those napalm tanks are 165 gallon capacity. That means around 1200 lbs of napalm.
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He allegedly got a couple of kills in P-38's before General Kenney found out about it. He spent a good bit of time with Corsair units too...
I can't remember where I heard it but, perhaps from Widewing, the mega-heavy Corsair loads were more common during Korea (with the F4U-4/F4U-5) versus WWII. Regardless of who's flying that photo attributed to Col. Lindbergh, those napalm tanks are 165 gallon capacity. That means around 1200 lbs of napalm.
I can get you a pick of the late corsairs at the Korean War Museum of you like, i am almost positive they got them there, but honestly no more hog work we need more Jap and Russian aircraft, plus many bombers
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Even if we DON'T get the 2000lber, at least a center pylon for up to a third 1000lber or drop tank.
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If you're looking for 3 bombs setup, try looking for RATO equiped F4U's, I remember seeing a video of them in "THE WAR" doc on tv.
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Yup, Lindbergh flew wing with Tommy McGuire and the 475th (amoung other groups) to teach the pilots how to get better range out of their A/C.
He was SUPPOSED to stay out of fights with Japanese fighters (he flew various strafing runs against Japanese shipping, aswell as bombing runs) but he didn't always listen to orders :)
Lindbergh ended up flying more missions than was required for one of the "regular pilots". Lindbergh managed to shoot down an expert pilot named Saburo Shimada. P-38s from the 49th jumped two Ki-51s "Sonias". The first Ki-51 went down fast, but Shimada managed to make the 49th 38s miss him everytime and eventually waste all of their ammo.
a flight of 4 38s from the 475th arrived to help out. While Shimada was evading the other 38s, Lindbergh came in fast and knocked Shimada down in a head on shot. (Shimada wasn't intending to make a Head on pass, he just happened to turn right in line with Lindbergh.)
Sorry about the hijack, I just always thought the Lindbergh stories to be interesting.
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I say +1. Good god though it would be a CV launched Stuka with that load! :uhoh
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...Lindbergh came in fast and knocked Shimada down in a head on shot. (Shimada wasn't intending to make a Head on pass, he just happened to turn right in line with Lindbergh.)
That ganging, picking HO-Tard! :furious :furious :furious
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That ganging, picking HO-Tard! :furious :furious :furious
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As a perk loadout?
That's interesting!
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Yup, Lindbergh flew wing with Tommy McGuire and the 475th (amoung other groups) to teach the pilots how to get better range out of their A/C.
He was SUPPOSED to stay out of fights with Japanese fighters (he flew various strafing runs against Japanese shipping, aswell as bombing runs) but he didn't always listen to orders :)
Lindbergh ended up flying more missions than was required for one of the "regular pilots". Lindbergh managed to shoot down an expert pilot named Saburo Shimada. P-38s from the 49th jumped two Ki-51s "Sonias". The first Ki-51 went down fast, but Shimada managed to make the 49th 38s miss him everytime and eventually waste all of their ammo.
a flight of 4 38s from the 475th arrived to help out. While Shimada was evading the other 38s, Lindbergh came in fast and knocked Shimada down in a head on shot. (Shimada wasn't intending to make a Head on pass, he just happened to turn right in line with Lindbergh.)
Sorry about the hijack, I just always thought the Lindbergh stories to be interesting.
This I know. I also know he did the same prior to that with Marines and their Corsairs. It's the "Napalm" refrence I say B.S. to.
wrongway
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It's the "Napalm" refrence I say B.S. to.
wrongway
How so? That there wasn't napalm in those tanks, or that Col. Lindbergh flew with napalm loaded?
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AWwrgwy if you look at my previous post in this thread, you'll see a chart that show exactly how much napalm was dropped by the USN/USMC in 1945.
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No Sir......... But this shot is nice anyways....
Does anybody have a photo of an F4U-1D with two 1,000lb bombs, one 2,000lb bomb and eight rockets?
(http://warlords.hobbyvista.com/History/Bunker%20Hill.jpg)
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This I know. I also know he did the same prior to that with Marines and their Corsairs. It's the "Napalm" refrence I say B.S. to.
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Not sure myself. Don't know much about Navy and Marine air groups/battles. Recently bought a book called "Semper Fi in the Sky." Haven't had a chance to read it yet.
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This is a great source of USN/USMC World War 2 statistics.
http://www.history.navy.mil/download/nasc.pdf (http://www.history.navy.mil/download/nasc.pdf) [NOTE: it's a 3.5 meg PDF]
This is OPNAV-P-23V NO.129 which was published 17 June 1946, after 8 months of collecting and sorting operational data.
If you look at page 115, you'll see that USN/USMC aircraft dropped 2,554 TONS of Napalm in 1945.
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How so? That there wasn't napalm in those tanks, or that Col. Lindbergh flew with napalm loaded?
B.
wrongway
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The latest update has added the framework for expanded ordinance options, so I think it's time to bump this thread.
Oh yeah, in addition to the center pylon:
TINY TIMS! Option for it on all three pylons on the 1D, the wing pylons on the 1C and 4, and the center pylon on the 1A. I've been trying to push for a "Project Danny" FSO, and actually HAVING the Tiny Tim would be great, rather than having to substitute 500lb bombs.
A number of other aircraft, including the B-25, were also equipped to launch these rockets.
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Does anybody have a photo of an F4U-1D with two 1,000lb bombs, one 2,000lb bomb and eight rockets? I am a little skeptical that all of that was carried at once.
Thanks, but those images don't exactly back up the claimed loadout.
While returning to the United States, Lindbergh stopped at the Marshall Islands and visited with the Marine Corsair squadrons that were bombing and strafing bypassed Japanese garrisons. On his final two flights on Sept. 12th/13th, 1944 he flew loaded with a 2,000 pound bomb on the center pylon and 2 1,000 pound bombs under the wing. He dropped his bombs on targets located on Wotje Island.
Also, the P-38L could carry two 2,000lb bombs, the Typhoon could carry sixteen rockets and so on. Many rarely used loadouts are not in the game because they would be overly dominant. It is bad enough how often 1,000lb bombs are carried by fighters already.
The 2,000 pound loadout was not rare ordnance to be carried by the P-38, they carried them depending on the mission parameters. They had to use wooden bomb shackles to carry them that would bang up the P-38 on bomb release and both bombs had to be dropped at the same time during pull out. Otherwise the shackles would be torn from the plane due to the G-force. That was pretty much the main reason why the P-38 didn't use 2,000 pound bombs regularly.
Rockets on the other hand were an uncommon loadout for P-38s. One fighter group's squadron never used rockets on any missions they flew in combat in the ETO (428th FS, 474th FG served in the ETO until the end of the war). Another squadron that did use them from time to time in the PTO mentions that on missions were they did carry rockets on their rails (referring to the P-38L), they would routinely not carry 20 mm ammunition.
I wouldn't be surprised if the instances of P-38s carrying 2,000 pound bombs didn't happen with more frequency than P-38s carrying rockets.
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Saxman, could you hook me up with some more info in these Tiny Tims which you speak of, and maybe even a picture too? Sounds BA :x
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Saxman, could you hook me up with some more info in these Tiny Tims which you speak of, and maybe even a picture too? Sounds BA :x
Tiny Tim rocket (http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/app4/tiny-tim.html)
Here are some pictures.
(http://collections.nasm.si.edu/media/full/A19660030000d10.jpg)
(http://www.jcrocket.com/images/waccorporal/tinytim1.jpg)
(http://www.vmb612.com/images/612-1.jpg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bb/Tiny_tim_ar.GIF)
Tiny Tim impact explosion during test firing
(http://www.chinalakealumni.org/IMAGES/1949/Tiny%20Tim%20strike%2001JUL49%20C-3%20NP45-022303.jpg)
Tiny Tim hitting 3 inch armor plate (to simulate a ship or blockhouse)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c4/Tiny_Tim_NOTS_Inyokern_3in_armour_hit_NAN3_47.jpg)
Another famous Tiny Tim
(http://members.cox.net/spedqueen/tiny_tim.jpg)
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Basically, it's a 500lb semi-armor piercing naval shell with a rocket motor attached. They were fired from F4Us, F6Fs, TBMs, SB2Cs, and even PBJ-1s (B-25, including the B-25H which we have, slung from wing mounts).
Looking at the series of images against the 3" armor plate, imagine letting one of those bad boys go against a Wirblewind. That plate is struck at about a 45 degree angle yet it punches straight through.
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Holy crap, I want one now :lol
Thanks for the info Ack, Sax. Looks like it'd be a good addition :aok
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Screw all that. Make this! The Skyraider carried more ord than the B-17 and saw about as much action at the end of the war as ME-262
(http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii77/CVA-66/A-1Skyraider.jpg)
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Uh.... Delivery of first production aircraft of the AD Skyraider wasn't until December 1946. I'd say the 262 had a good couple years on it.
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Screw all that. Make this! The Skyraider carried more ord than the B-17 and saw about as much action at the end of the war as ME-262
(http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii77/CVA-66/A-1Skyraider.jpg)
Make your own thread so I can flame you over there :confused:
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Screw all that. Make this! The Skyraider carried more ord than the B-17 and saw about as much action at the end of the war as ME-262
Are you serious? Did you even to bother reading about the plane before making the above statement?
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