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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: stealth on July 31, 2009, 04:39:40 AM
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This was the replacement for the SBD Dauntless it was faster it had a longer range and it could carry more bombs but it was late being delivered in to war but it was still a 2nd class plane. It was still better then the SBD but the program was nearly canceled but eventually over 7,000 were made to work.The reason i want this plane is because its better then the SBD but it is a WW2 game and since it was delivered in to action a little late may be the reason we don't have it now so.Its still better then the SBD-3 :rock :salute what do you think of this plane.
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please don't reply to this if your gunna go off topic
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I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
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I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
lol :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :huh
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No.One.Wants.To.Read.A.Post.O f.Yours.Anymore.Stealth.
They.Are.A.Waste.Of.Time.
Go.Read.A.Book.And.Learn.The. English.Language.
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This was the replacement for the SBD Dauntless it was faster it had a longer range and it could carry more bombs but it was late being delivered in to war but it was still a 2nd class plane. It was still better then the SBD but the program was nearly canceled but eventually over 7,000 were made to work.The reason i want this plane is because its better then the SBD but it is a WW2 game and since it was delivered in to action a little late may be the reason we don't have it now so.Its still better then the SBD-3 :rock :salute what do you think of this plane.
My god! Are those periods I see? Progress I tell you!
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No.One.Wants.To.Read.A.Post.Of.Yours.Anymore.Stealth.
They.Are.A.Waste.Of.Time.
Go.Read.A.Book.And.Learn.The. English.Language.
LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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My god! Are those periods I see? Progress I tell you!
finaly!!! stealth has caught on!!!
soon, he'll be on to commas!!!
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I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
I'm thinking a little of both.
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I like it :aok
General characteristics
Crew: Two, pilot and radio operator/gunner
Length: 36 ft 9 in (11.2 m)
Wingspan: 49 ft 9 in (15.2 m)
Height: 14 ft 9 in (4.5 m)
Wing area: 422 ft² (39.2 m²)
Empty weight: 10,114 lb (4,588 kg)
Loaded weight: 13,674 lb (6,202 kg)
Max takeoff weight: 16,800 lb (7,600 kg)
Powerplant: 1× Wright R-2600 Cyclone radial engine, 1,900 hp (1,400 kW)
Performance
Maximum speed: 294 mph (473 km/h)
Range: 1,200 miles (1,900 km)
Service ceiling: 25,000 ft (7,600 m)
Rate of climb: 1,750 ft/min (8.9 m/s)
Armament
2 × 20 mm (.79 in) cannon in the wings
2 × 0.30 in (7.62 mm) M1919 Browning machine guns in the rear cockpit
Internal bay: 2,000 lb (900 kg) of bombs or 1 × Mark 13-2 torpedo
Underwing hardpoints: 500 lb (225 kg) of bombs each
(http://www.fortunecity.com/meltingpot/portland/971/boxart/promodeler/prom_sb2cHelldiver_48.jpg)
and it comes ready for skinning too
(http://old.anitsoy.com/imglib/2dgallery/textures/hdiver/helldiver_norm_1.jpg)
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Never realized 1943 was late in the war...Curtiss Helldiver did not enter combat until 11 November 1943.
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that is over 2/3 the way through...
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This was the replacement for the SBD Dauntless it was faster it had a longer range and it could carry more bombs but it was late being delivered in to war but it was still a 2nd class plane. It was still better then the SBD but the program was nearly canceled but eventually over 7,000 were made to work.The reason i want this plane is because its better then the SBD but it is a WW2 game and since it was delivered in to action a little late may be the reason we don't have it now so.Its still better then the SBD-3 :rock :salute what do you think of this plane.
Nice one :)
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I'd like to see this plane at some point
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I'd like to see this plane at some point
i agree i heard it sunk the largest battle ship in the world dureing ww2 but i cant be positive someone would half to look it up
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Yamato and musashi
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Yamato and musashi
ohh yes now i reamber thank you i reamber hearing that from that show dogfights
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My god, I posted on this a while ago and most people said boo to it and then proceded to flame it like it was a 3rd B29 thread running at the same time as 2 others. They weren't this quiet.
But other than my petty complaints...
+1 for the idea. I think it would be god to get a new naval bomber in the game.
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My god, I posted on this a while ago and most people said boo to it and then proceded to flame it like it was a 3rd B29 thread running at the same time as 2 others. They weren't this quiet.
But other than my petty complaints...
+1 for the idea. I think it would be god to get a new naval bomber in the game.
i agree we need a new plane that can take off carriers thats what we need a brewster buffalo or this hey can you guys tell me if i posted a topic thats already been posted on once
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hey can you guys tell me if i posted a topic thats already been posted on once
NO. Search for yourself. You are old enough.
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NO. Search for yourself. You are old enough.
you can search for that stuff on here o yah forgot well just triyng to have a nice friendly talk
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While that may be Dave, has it ever occured to you that he couldn't find it, or that he doesen't know how to get good results from it.
Speaking of which...Stealth, if you don't already know this, try using key words just like google or other crap like that; i.e. 'helldiver', 'SB2C'; not 'Curtiss SB2C Helldiver'.
I know this may not be the best example so here: I posted about controllable destroyers or cruisers, and I did search, but I typed in exactly what I wanted, not 'destroyers', or 'cruisers'. You can narrow down your search to only certin forums in case you didn't know. I was a copper by the time LLogan told me...if I have the right person.
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While that may be Dave, has it ever occured to you that he couldn't find it, or that he doesen't know how to get good results from it.
Speaking of which...Stealth, if you don't already know this, try using key words just like google or other crap like that; i.e. 'helldiver', 'SB2C'; not 'Curtiss SB2C Helldiver'.
I know this may not be the best example so here: I posted about controllable destroyers or cruisers, and I did search, but I typed in exactly what I wanted, not 'destroyers', or 'cruisers'. You can narrow down your search to only certin forums in case you didn't know. I was a copper by the time LLogan told me...if I have the right person.
dude i got a books millions of them thats its full name it was made by the curtiss corperation like the curtiss p40 warhawk and it was a helldiver thats its full name you only got the SB2C part like SBD when the SBD was not its full name
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If you are saying what I think you are saying, then let me offer this as a rebuttal.
Using key words gets you better results if you filter out the crap from other forums, it just takes a little longer, but worth it.
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If you are saying what I think you are saying, then let me offer this as a rebuttal.
Using key words gets you better results if you filter out the crap from other forums, it just takes a little longer, but worth it.
just stop with these grammer replys this is about the curtiss bomber not that
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That was not a grammar reply. I would have said the same thing if you had posted in latin. I just wanted to make sure you got it.
And my god you really hover over this thread don't you. No offense.
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That was not a grammar reply. I would have said the same thing if you had posted in latin. I just wanted to make sure you got it.
And my god you really hover over this thread don't you. No offense.
None taken im just tired of Larry's and his topic on his topic if you know what I mean.Just you know what fine i'll use grammer if I make a mistake my bad.(You happy now)
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That was not a grammar reply. I would have said the same thing if you had posted in latin. I just wanted to make sure you got it.
And my god you really hover over this thread don't you. No offense.
Frustrating, isn't it?
:salute Nemisis
:devil
wrongway
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*giant <S> emoticon the size of Texas* Wrong way.
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Stealth, instead of posting 97 different threads requesting planes that you've stumbled across, maybe you could make a list over a few weeks, then post your wishlist as one thread instead.
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So was it better than the SBD???
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Yea was faster more ords and had 20mm's :O
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Also was notoriously difficult to fly, early models were nowhere near as stable in their attack dives, durability was suspect, among dozens of other teething problems. It would be a nice addition, especially as all Navy SBD squadrons aboard the fleet carriers transitioned into the Helldiver after Phillippine Sea, so she'd be great for late-war FSO/scenario setups. But there's other higher priorities.
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I don't know why you're all giving stealth a hard time. Sure he doesn't spell perfectly or use grammar correctly sometimes, but atleast he isn't posting requests like "OMG liek we ned da sb2 cuz itz so kewl!!11!!! yes!!11!!! i men com on!! it just loks so kewl!!"
I, for one, would like to see more carrier planes in AHII first before any other plane. Right now all we have is 2 zekes, a Seafire, and the rest are F4U's and F4F, F6F, FM2.
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I don't know why you're all giving stealth a hard time. Sure he doesn't spell perfectly or use grammar correctly sometimes, but atleast he isn't posting requests like "OMG liek we ned da sb2 cuz itz so kewl!!11!!! yes!!11!!! i men com on!! it just loks so kewl!!"
I, for one, would like to see more carrier planes in AHII first before any other plane. Right now all we have is 2 zekes, a Seafire, and the rest are F4U's and F4F, F6F, FM2.
You forgot the D3A, B5N, SBD and TBM.
Like I said, I'd like to see the SB2C eventually, but it's probably not a high-priority aircraft seeing as the models we'd likely get weren't much of an improvement over the Dauntless, anyway. It wasn't until the last couple variants that the Helldiver lived up to its expectations, and I'm not even certain if those models ever saw combat before the war ended.
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I don't know why you're all giving stealth a hard time.
I, for one, would like to see more carrier planes in AHII first before any other plane. Right now all we have is 2 zekes, a Seafire, and the rest are F4U's and F4F, F6F, FM2.
I'm not. I am trying to help. I agree with you on the carrier plane set. It is lacking, especially for the British. I suggested the helldiver and firefly a while ago, but the threads didn't get enough people in them and died.
I just wish we could have carrier planes with some actuall fire power (bombwise); The TBD can carry 2,000lbs of bombs, not enough to knock out a hanger. I know that the carrier decks weren't big enough to launch big bombers, but B25's took off of carrier decks and raided tokyo once. I think we could get a plane with enough ord to knock out a hanger without rockets.
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I know that the carrier decks weren't big enough to launch big bombers, but B25's took off of carrier decks and raided tokyo once. I think we could get a plane with enough ord to knock out a hanger without rockets.
Theoretically the F4U-1D could, we just don't have that ordinance package (2000lb centerline bomb) and it'd be REAL tough to do that without a catapult.
Single-engine carrier-borne bombers just don't have the same ordinance load as multi-engine dedicated bombers. Simple as that.
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The anministrators said it takes something like 2,750 lbs to knock out a hanger. And why don't we have a catapult?
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F4U-1D could carry 4000lbs of bombs + rockets (started a thread about this already). I'm not aware of any doing so off a carrier, however.
As for why no catapults, my guess is partly due to coding as Yorktown and Essex-class carriers, and even the smaller Independence-class light carriers, had them.
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What carrier or carrier class do we have in the game?
And sorry, I though he meant that it had a 2,000lb bomb centerline and nothing else.
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The class modelled is the Essex-class (USS Randolph IIRC). Whatever reason they had for not modelling a catapult I don't know, but the point is they had a good enough reason not to do it.
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Yes, but I just like to know things, so I won't keep wondering about the reasons we don't have them when I could have used them most.
Scuzzy, could we Puuleazzzz (streched out please) get the catapult on carriers?
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Japanese and/or British CV aircraft are needed more. Particularly the D4Y "Judy" and B6N2 "Jill".
Nemisis,
Skuzzy is the hardware guy, HiTech and Pyro are the decision makers who design the game.
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Ooops. Well, what can you expect form a lowly nickle?
I see it as zinc is Pvt.
copper is Cpl.
nickle is Sgt.
silver is Lt.
gold is Capt. or Maj.
plutonium is Colonel or General.
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It sucked, the pilots and commanders hated it
The Curtiss dive bomber’s debut with the fleet was less than promising. Although the Helldiver had originally been intended to exceed the performance parameters of the Dauntless by a wide margin, VF-17’s commander, Lt. Cmdr. James E. Vose of VB-17, declared that–aside from folding wings, a feature the Dauntless never possessed–’the SB2C offered little improvement on the SBD…the SBD would be my choice.’
It was not difficult to see his point. The SB2C-1 could carry a single 1,000-pound or 1,600-pound bomb in its internal bomb bay, plus two 100-pound bombs externally under the wings. It had a top speed of 281 mph and an initial climb rate of 1,750 feet per minute. The Helldiver’s maximum range was 1,100 miles, and its combat radius was 276 miles. By comparison, the SBD-5, which carried the same bombload, had a top speed of 253 mph and could climb at 1,620 feet per minute. The Dauntless’ maximum range was 1,100 miles, and its combat radius was 285 miles.
Moreover, the supposedly obsolescent Dauntless enjoyed the lowest combat loss rate of any U.S. Navy aircraft of that period. SBDs acquired an enviable reputation in the critical battles of the Coral Sea, Midway, the Eastern Solomons, Santa Cruz and Guadalcanal, and many Navy dive-bomber crews were understandably reluctant to relinquish an airplane that had earned their trust. A less charitable VB-17 pilot irreverently remarked that ‘the SB-Deuce had more bugs than an Oriental flophouse.’
Commander Herbert D. Riley, who served on the staff of the deputy chief of Naval Operations (Air) during that period, was one of the officers responsible for procuring new aircraft for the Navy. He later recalled that ‘the SB2C was so tricky to fly, compared to the SBD, and so hard to maintain that the skippers of the new carriers preferred to have the old SBDs. We had quite a battle forcing the SB2C down their respective throats.’
Curtiss was less successful in forcing the Helldiver down the throats of the British Admiralty, which only procured 26 of the planes. Only one Naval Air Arm squadron received Helldivers, and that unit was quickly disbanded without ever serving on a carrier. Captain Eric Brown, the test pilot who evaluated the Helldiver for the Royal Navy, flew nearly every type of dive bomber, including a captured Ju-87 Stuka. After piloting the SBD-5 Dauntless, the Vultee Vengeance and the Helldiver, Brown rated the Curtiss product a distant third. ‘One could only sympathize with the U.S. Navy pilots flying this unpleasant aircraft from carriers in the Pacific,’ he later wrote.
http://www.historynet.com/curtiss-sb2c-helldiver-the-last-dive-bomber.htm
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Ooops. Well, what can you expect form a lowly nickle?
I see it as zinc is Pvt.
copper is Cpl.
nickle is Sgt.
silver is Lt.
gold is Capt. or Maj.
plutonium is Colonel or General.
The number of posts has nothing to do with your respectability or understanding of how the forums works. Same thing applies to rank and score. Hear that DDGhost? Score means NOTHING!
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:rolleyes: (annoyed version) Enker I was joking. Sorry if I missled any of you disciples.
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My god! Are those periods I see? Progress I tell you!
:rofl :rofl :rofl Oh man, this Stealth kid cracks me up. Please stealth, continue posting. Anytime I need cheering up I will come in search of one of your threads.
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Now, now kids, play nice.
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It might be a good idea, although it's performance is a little lacking in some areas.
But we need a new CV bomber, +1
And Stealth, we are teenagers in a world of old farts. Keep you're grammar good and you're spelling correct, that way they don't eat you alive like The Muppet's at a de-acked field (j/k).
And If any of you Yanks corrects one of my words to American spelling I will kill you.
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And If any of you Yanks corrects one of my words to American spelling I will kill you.
Um, yay, I'm betin' you won't waste money on the flight, just to be attacked by my dog. The idiot even attacks my brother. Obidience school dosen't really help.
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Um, yay, I'm betin' you won't waste money on the flight, just to be attacked by my dog. The idiot even attacks my brother. Obidience school dosen't really help.
Australians are determined people, ask anyone who has run into the Raw Prawns, or even better ask the surviving Japanese soldiers.
Besides I have Minnie, she will OWN you're dog.
(http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/photo.php?pid=2242318&id=787384212)
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:huh :huh A 120lb German Shepard/St. Brenard :huh :huh?
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:huh :huh A 120lb German Shepard/St. Brenard :huh :huh?
If a dog that large is attacking family members it should be put down!
end H/Jk
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well it's not really attacking. More attack in the sense that it jumps up and down right next to them and if they are small enough then he licks their faces. The kiddies love it!!! We also have a cat that considers herself our dogs mother. She will lick him clean, get infront of him if he is going to go roll in the grass right after a bath. It is hilarious, I will try to get a vidieo up here! But unfriendly strangers piss him off.