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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Latrobe on August 02, 2009, 06:18:01 PM
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Everyone here should probably know of Vasily Zaytsev the great Russian Sniper of Stalingrad that killed hundreds of Germans soldiers, and multiple German Snipers. The man who insired other Russians to fight on in Stalingrad. Well the other day me and my friend were playing Red Orchestra when he told me that Vasily Zaytsev was not just 1 guy, but many Russian Snipers! He said that the original Vasily Zaytsev was killed in action in Stalingrad, and instead of announcing his death the Russians just made another sniper Vasily Zaytsev. Then he was killed, and they named someone else Vasily, and so on. The Russians just never told anyone the truth about what happened to Vasily and kept it a secret.
I'm not sure if he's making this up (like many others things), or if this is actually true! Anyone know anything about this??
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Certainly sounds like something the Russians would do....
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sounds like a bloody good idea
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sounds like a bloody good idea
In that time period with not much to be upbeat about it certainly does....
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Everyone here should probably know of Vasily Zaytsev the great Russian Sniper of Stalingrad that killed hundreds of Germans soldiers, and multiple German Snipers. The man who insired other Russians to fight on in Stalingrad. Well the other day me and my friend were playing Red Orchestra when he told me that Vasily Zaytsev was not just 1 guy, but many Russian Snipers! He said that the original Vasily Zaytsev was killed in action in Stalingrad, and instead of announcing his death the Russians just made another sniper Vasily Zaytsev. Then he was killed, and they named someone else Vasily, and so on. The Russians just never told anyone the truth about what happened to Vasily and kept it a secret.
I'm not sure if he's making this up (like many others things), or if this is actually true! Anyone know anything about this??
"No one would be afraid of the Dread Pirate Wesley...."
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I saw and interview with the man himself on old documentary film..
He was older, but definitely the same guy as the Stalingrad pics...
You could easily see it in his face... Was he a "put up job"??? Hmmmmm...
I tend to think not, at least until I see more confirmation.. There would be
paperwork stashed somewhere under the Lubyanka, or in NKVD/KGB HQ...
They kept rather meticulous records, of who shot who behind the ear, etc etc...
It's just that no one is allowed to see them...
It does sound like something Unkie Joe or his lackeys would pull...
Along with the staged films, and all the other BS that came out of
the Stalinist regime, ya can't trust much of any of it...
They did alot worse than that!!! This would be NOTHING to them...
RC
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"No one would be afraid of the Dread Pirate Wesley...."
:aok
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You could apply the "Multiple" to anyone. I've yet to read a single factual source claiming "more than one" Vasily. I never will either, criticizing a Veteran is one of the lowest things possible IMO.
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Karaya,
Keep in mind it's not the veteran they're criticizing, but the regime. The Soviets were really the lesser of two evils during WWII, but it's a crying shame what we allowed them to get away with during the war to keep them fighting Hitler.
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Karaya,
Keep in mind it's not the veteran they're criticizing, but the regime. The Soviets were really the lesser of two evils during WWII, but it's a crying shame what we allowed them to get away with during the war to keep them fighting Hitler.
You won't get an argument out of me. I agree. Stalin was POS and the rest of the Allies Sold out a few countries to him. But I get touchy when it comes to this type of stuff is all.
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You could apply the "Multiple" to anyone. I've yet to read a single factual source claiming "more than one" Vasily. I never will either, criticizing a Veteran is one of the lowest things possible IMO.
^ this.
And there are other snipers who claimed high kill counts in the war as well. Someone has to be #1.
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but it's a crying shame what we allowed them to get away with during the war to keep them fighting Hitler.
And how exactly would you have gone about not allowing the Soviets to "get away" with things? The only realistic possibility in my view of having an impact would have been to cut off Lend-Lease supplies. Diplomacy would never ever have worked in a million years against a regime as delusional as Stalin's.
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"No one would be afraid of the Dread Pirate Wesley...."
That was the first thing that popped into my head. :lol
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^ this.
And there are other snipers who claimed high kill counts in the war as well. Someone has to be #1.
And it wasn't Vasily Zaytsev, whether he was one or many men ;)
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And how exactly would you have gone about not allowing the Soviets to "get away" with things? The only realistic possibility in my view of having an impact would have been to cut off Lend-Lease supplies. Diplomacy would never ever have worked in a million years against a regime as delusional as Stalin's.
It's called "Hypocritical Ideologies" to suit the situation at any given time. I've read enough on Stalin to know he was intimidated easily by underlings. Reading "Stalin's Folly" by Constantine Pleshakov proved it. He often "panicked" when he didn't need too. But, the book was many of the reasons they basically "shut down" the Politburo.
They're still trying to hide their ineptness, but we've known it for a while. Zaytsev was their "Audie Murphy". No cover up needed.
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He did not get shot in Stalingrad he lived round the corner from me in a pie shop. His mum went bingo with my cousin
why did michael Jackson family not do the same as the Russians and put a look alike on stage, all that money would of not been lost and all those returned tickets.
I had three tickets for London Jackson gig but I swapped them early on for a old pair of socks and a half eaten sausage :O
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That was the first thing that popped into my head. :lol
Me too, except it was the NCIS episode where whatever-his-name-is was mentioning the dread pirate wesley =)
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Everyone here should probably know of Vasily Zaytsev the great Russian Sniper of Stalingrad that killed hundreds of Germans soldiers, and multiple German Snipers. The man who insired other Russians to fight on in Stalingrad. Well the other day me and my friend were playing Red Orchestra when he told me that Vasily Zaytsev was not just 1 guy, but many Russian Snipers! He said that the original Vasily Zaytsev was killed in action in Stalingrad, and instead of announcing his death the Russians just made another sniper Vasily Zaytsev. Then he was killed, and they named someone else Vasily, and so on. The Russians just never told anyone the truth about what happened to Vasily and kept it a secret.
I'm not sure if he's making this up (like many others things), or if this is actually true! Anyone know anything about this??
That makes no sence what-so-ever, yes Vasily was W.I.A. at Stalingrad, but at this time, it 1943. Morale meant nothing in 1943, the battle was won, so they would have no reason to lie.
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Me too, except it was the NCIS episode where whatever-his-name-is was mentioning the dread pirate wesley =)
Denozo (Spelling probably incorrect)?
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Denozo (Spelling probably incorrect)?
Yes :)
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You know, it never ceases to amaze me how we percieve war heroes depending on what our nationality is.
Pappy Boyington for instance. Really, he was a drunk and habitual liar. He claimed kills sight unseen, but because America needed a hero...well....say no more.
Douglas Bader? Apparently a real SOB and his big wing idea wasn't a great idea for the tactical needs at the time.
But...Each country had thier Audy Murphy, a true hero, and I tend to believe that Vasily Zaytsev was Russia's.
cheers,
RTR
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"No one would be afraid of the Dread Pirate Roberts...."
Blast you beat me to it. :furious Damn you dreaded pirate roberts.
quote. I have a confession to make. I'm not actually left handed! :D
(http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt217/kmsgrl199/Goodjobtoday.jpg)
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Anybody want a peanut?
RTR
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You know, it never ceases to amaze me how we percieve war heroes depending on what our nationality is.
Pappy Boyington for instance. Really, he was a drunk and habitual liar. He claimed kills sight unseen, but because America needed a hero...well....say no more.
RTR... Really, you should quit watching those old episodes of the "Blacksheep Squadron".... They were TOTAL BS!!!
The Blacksheep were NOT, scotch swillin, fist fightin, nurse chasin, boobs... About as far from it as can be gotten!!!
Boyington, was actually a hardnosed disciplinarian... As would be expected of a China Marine...
USMC, would never put up with that BS even now... A USMC/NAVY officer, can have you thrown in the brig for sneezing
if they want to.. And that is NO BS!!! But in those days, things were far tougher, you'd get HUNG, for behavior that
you describe in time of war.. Or thrown in Portsmouth to rot, until noone even remembered that you exist at all...
"They needed a hero"?? HAH, at that time, there were PLENTY of choose from!!!
As far as the Stalinist Regime lieing about VZ, they very well could have!!! (I personally don't think so) BUT???
They spun such MASSIVE BS, about so much, for so many years.. That any info from that era is ALWAYS suspect!!!
RC
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Anyone that thinks ANY country is above using propaganda, regarding their so-called heros, for their own purpose needs a severe reality check. Maybe even a check for a heartbeat. Its obvious that brain activity is DEAD.
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"heroes" and medals are great recruiting tools and morale boosters. Medals have in the past, and are to this day given out for diplomatic and morale reasons as well as for true bravery in combat.