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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: CptTrips on August 09, 2009, 09:19:20 PM
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I'm out at my property today and I bend over to pick up a small piece of ply and found this fella curled up underneath right at my feet. Of course I'm not even wearing jeans and boots. I'm tromping out in the brush in shorts and sandles like some goofball. Its good to know thro that I can still move as fast as I did when I have a reason. :rofl
Creepy thing is still squirming and rattling at me:
(http://JasonIrby.net/bitbucket/snake.jpg)
Starting my kill record:
(http://jasonirby.net/bitbucket/snake2.jpg)
(http://jasonirby.net/bitbucket/snake3.jpg)
Now before the PETA tards jump on me, I don't just go around killing every snake I see. If I don't recognize the kind of snake, I'll just shoo it away. But if its a rattle, or copperhead, or cottonmouth, its dead on sight. No debate.
:uhoh,
Wab
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Nice kill. Remember to eat it. :aok
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Remember to eat it. :aok
wabbit season?
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The snake wasn't rattling. It was singing "Kill da wabbit, kill da wabbit!"
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Nice kill. Remember to eat it. :aok
Rofl. Hooah!
ReDhAwK
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Oh god, I hope McFarland or whatever his name was doesn't see this.
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Oh man; PETA is gonna have you on every tub of yogurt for a year because of what you did to that poor snake. :D
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Turn it into a luxury condom and sell it on e-bay.
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SNAKE KILLER!
JK. Yea, you got dam lucky there. what species is that? from the looks of the plants in the back round it looks like you are in the southwest. so i am assuming that may be a diamondback.
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JK. Yea, you got dam lucky there. what species is that? from the looks of the plants in the back round it looks like you are in the southwest. so i am assuming that may be a diamondback.
YEp. In North Central Texas. That is a Diamond-back rattle snake. A young one, but still over 3ft.
:confused:,
Wab
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Good lord man! STAY INSIDE!! :eek:
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PETA is dumb, but I did read an interesting article about rattlesnakes and artificial selection. Some species rattle more easily than others, and, obviously, humans tend to kill the ones that rattle more. However, the species that don't rattle so easily are more frequently the ones that bite people, simply because of the lack of warning. You don't have to be a scientist to understand that logic. :P
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But if its a rattle, or copperhead, or cottonmouth, its dead on sight. No debate.
Statements like this are one of the VERY few places where I can sympathize with animal rights groups. Killing a snake just because it's venomous is needless. Now if it's about to strike you, a family member, pet, etc. is one thing. You're defending yourself, that's fine. If for whatever reason you like the taste of snake meat (I understand snake tastes a lot like chicken, never tried it myself, tho) and are out actually hunting them is ok, too. But seeing one sunning itself on a log thirty feet away is no reason to go grab a shotgun and start blasting just because it's there.
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I can agree with Saxman but I understand the logic of people that kill snakes like that. It is the chance to take something out before it has a chance to get you that most people start with.
My oldest son was cutting the grass here the other day and saw something slithering out of the bushs that he said looked like a worm. I am about 100 feet away around the house with my 6 year old son and we are getting ready to start pulling some weeds out of flower beds....anyway my oldest comes running with something in his hand and yelling that he had caught a snake. At first all I saw was the body and yelled for him to drop it because from 20 feet away the coloring was just like a copperhead...which we have had all over our lawn. Anyway upon further investigation by me I see a ring just behind its head and then I know it is a Northern Ringneck (also very prevalent here) and tell him he got lucky because it wasn't venomous.
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Anyway upon further investigation by me I see a ring just behind its head and then I know it is a Northern Ringneck (also very prevalent here) and tell him he got lucky because it wasn't venomous.
Then again, he may have already known it wasn't. I knew how to tell the difference even between a coral snake and the mimics when I was six.
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Statements like this are one of the VERY few places where I can sympathize with animal rights groups. Killing a snake just because it's venomous is needless. Now if it's about to strike you, a family member, pet, etc. is one thing. You're defending yourself, that's fine. If for whatever reason you like the taste of snake meat (I understand snake tastes a lot like chicken, never tried it myself, tho) and are out actually hunting them is ok, too. But seeing one sunning itself on a log thirty feet away is no reason to go grab a shotgun and start blasting just because it's there.
Saxman,
I respectfully disagree. However, I will refine my statement somewhat. I will kill any poisonous snake I see...on my property. If I was hiking out in the Grand Canyon and saw one off the trail, I wouldn't worry about it.
I have to move around and work on this 15 acre. I have friends and family with children that visit and play around and let their dogs wander. I have guest that come set up their telescopes and are moving around at night without lights.
I intend to keep the population of poisonous snakes on my property to the absolute minimum. I intend to be the natural selective pressure to make my piece of dirt a poor enviroment for those species. It is not only the risk of that individual snake that I might run into again later under less fortunate circumstances, but thats also one less breeder that might crawl under the nice shadey spot under one of my buildings and lay 1000 eggs.
Sorry. On my property, those species get culled with extreme prejudice.
:salute,
Wab
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Saxman,
I respectfully disagree. However, I will refine my statement somewhat. I will kill any poisonous snake I see...on my property. If I was hiking out in the Grand Canyon and saw one off the trail, I wouldn't worry about it.
I have to move around and work on this 15 acre. I have friends and family with children that visit and play around and let their dogs wander. I have guest that come set up their telescopes and are moving around at night without lights.
I intend to keep the population of poisonous snakes on my property to the absolute minimum. I intend to be the natural selective pressure to make my piece of dirt a poor enviroment for those species. It is not only the risk of that individual snake that I might run into again later under less fortunate circumstances, but thats also one less breeder that might crawl under the nice shadey spot under one of my buildings and lay 1000 eggs.
Sorry. On my property, those species get culled with extreme prejudice.
:salute,
Wab
Obviously you're doing a great job. So incredibly great, you almost stepped on one. :rofl
Even if you do manage to "cull with extreme prejudice" with any bit of effectiveness (improbable, at best), all you end up doing is making a 15 acre "island of prosperity" for rats and mice, which are both much more dangerous to you and your family than venomous snakes from the disease vectors they are plagued with.
As well, Rattlers hardly ever strike without warning in self defense (though not always), unless you've already picked them up. How hard is it to just teach folks not to act like morons when they hear that rattle? Yeah, you're right, just easier to kill anything than to teach....it's the American way.
In any case, your property= your premise.
Rattlesnakes also don't lay 1000 eggs. They are livebearers. Again, LEARN....and don't make your property attractive to them. Killing them singly does exactly the opposite, because it raises the prey population, which brings more in. All you're doing is playing whack a mole.
If you have a huge snake infestation, then you have a huge rodent problem, and you might want to look at that....
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I went to the Sweetwater Rattlesnake Roundup once and ate rattlesnake. People who say it tastes like chicken have no tastebuds. Just because you deepfry it doesnt mean its good.
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Obviously you're doing a great job. So incredibly great, you almost stepped on one. :rofl
Even if you do manage to "cull with extreme prejudice" with any bit of effectiveness (improbable, at best), all you end up doing is making a 15 acre "island of prosperity" for rats and mice, which are both much more dangerous to you and your family than venomous snakes from the disease vectors they are plagued with.
As well, Rattlers hardly ever strike without warning in self defense (though not always), unless you've already picked them up. How hard is it to just teach folks not to act like morons when they hear that rattle? Yeah, you're right, just easier to kill anything than to teach....it's the American way.
In any case, your property= your premise.
Rattlesnakes also don't lay 1000 eggs. They are livebearers. Again, learn....and don't make your property attractive to them. Killing them does exactly the opposite, because it raises the prey population, which brings more in. All you're doing is playing whack a mole.
Actually I run into only about one a year that I see.
There are plenty on non-poisonous snake that eat mice too. As I already stated, I leave non-poisonous species alone.
Actually this one didn't rattle, I think because its was so immediately startled. It just tensed up int its coil ready to strike. I was very lucky to have seen it in time.
Never-the-less, you at least got the 2nd to last part right (about my property).
Wab
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Saxman,
I respectfully disagree. However, I will refine my statement somewhat. I will kill any poisonous snake I see...on my property. If I was hiking out in the Grand Canyon and saw one off the trail, I wouldn't worry about it.
I have to move around and work on this 15 acre. I have friends and family with children that visit and play around and let their dogs wander. I have guest that come set up their telescopes and are moving around at night without lights.
I intend to keep the population of poisonous snakes on my property to the absolute minimum. I intend to be the natural selective pressure to make my piece of dirt a poor enviroment for those species. It is not only the risk of that individual snake that I might run into again later under less fortunate circumstances, but thats also one less breeder that might crawl under the nice shadey spot under one of my buildings and lay 1000 eggs.
Sorry. On my property, those species get culled with extreme prejudice.
:salute,
Wab
I have an idea... anyone wishing to protect these reptiles can post their address and folks can mail the reptiles found on their property to your sanctuary. Win win situation. :aok
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I have an idea... anyone wishing to protect these reptiles can post their address and folks can mail the reptiles found on their property to your sanctuary. Win win situation. :aok
Lol. :aok
Next thing you know, he's going to want to protect fire-ants and mosquitos. :rolleyes:
Wab
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Wabbit,
Then again, it's not hard to take the proper precautions if you're somewhere you know there's a chance of running into a snake. You're naive to think that just because you only SEE one a year, that there's ONLY one. There could be dozens on your property and you wouldn't even know it.
Moray,
One of the worst things I saw was at summer camp once in Boy Scouts. Someone caught a Timber Rattler at the camp and they had it in a cage where the Reptile Study merit badge course was being held. Kids were provoking it and banging on the tank JUST to make it rattle and strike the glass. Morons. Would have served them right if they WOULD have gotten bit.
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Meh, he's just approaching it from the perspective of a biologist, not a property owner. From that perspective, there are no "undesirable" animals; even mosquitoes and fire ants have a role to play. This is what is taught in elementary schools across the nation, and its usually part of 4th grade science standards in many states.
Here's a funny example. My wife is really into gardening, and there are a couple wasp nests in our back yard. I was going to get rid of them, but she said under no circumstances should I do so because wasps prey on vegetable pests. ;)
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Here's a funny example. My wife is really into gardening, and there are a couple wasp nests in our back yard. I was going to get rid of them, but she said under no circumstances should I do so because wasps prey on vegetable pests. ;)
They occationally prey on gardeners too I hear. :lol
Wab
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Meh, he's just approaching it from the perspective of a biologist, not a property owner. From that perspective, there are no "undesirable" animals; even mosquitoes and fire ants have a role to play. This is what is taught in elementary schools across the nation, and its usually part of 4th grade science standards in many states.
Here's a funny example. My wife is really into gardening, and there are a couple wasp nests in our back yard. I was going to get rid of them, but she said under no circumstances should I do so because wasps prey on vegetable pests. ;)
Not Fire Ants. Horribly invasive, and have no natural enemies in the United States. There is some promise in the Phorid Fly in combating fire ants, but I've yet to read a detailed environmental impact statement on its' own controllability in habitat.
Although, given a few million years, something will evolve that takes advantage of them as a food source.
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Now before the PETA tards jump on me, I don't just go around killing every snake I see. If I don't recognize the kind of snake, I'll just shoo it away. But if its a rattle, or copperhead, or cottonmouth, its dead on sight. No debate.
:uhoh,
Wab
This is what I think of Peta
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The ONLY good snake is a DEAD snake..........
Dont like that idea? Round them up and keep them at your place........I dont want them on mine.
Peta idiots love giving excuses for why not to kill an animal, when are they going to explain to animals that they have rights in the food chain? I'd really like to see one of these animal loving activists sit with a lions pride and explain the rules..............How about in a snake den explaining natural selection?????
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The ONLY good snake is a DEAD snake..........
Dont like that idea? Round them up and keep them at your place........I dont want them on mine.
Peta idiots love giving excuses for why not to kill an animal, when are they going to explain to animals that they have rights in the food chain? I'd really like to see one of these animal loving activists sit with a lions pride and explain the rules..............How about in a snake den explaining natural selection?????
It's not about PETA....it's about being logical. We're not talking about a Black Mamba here. It's a Rattlesnake. Unless you totally surprise it, it's going to run, FAST. The bigger threat to human habitat historically, is from an over abundance of rodents which carry disease vectors, such as the fleas that carried the plague. There are quite a few other diseases they pack with them, and anything that controls their population around my home is more than welcome.
The rat-borne hantaviruses , Puumala virus, Dobrava virus, Saaremaa virus, Lymphocytic choriomeningitis virus, Bacterial diseases, Rat bite fever, Rodent-borne salmonellosis, Protozoal diseases, Rodent-borne cestode infections, Rodent-borne nematode infections are all more likely to kill you than a single rattlesnake bite.
I live in Florida, and have rattlesnakes (two types, Timber and Mississauga) and aggressive black racers (non venomous, but will stand up to anything aggressively) on my porch sunning pretty much daily. I haven't seen a rodent on the property in years. Open the inside glass door with the screen closed and stomp a bit, and they move on. When I'm outside I shuffle my feet and take care of the property to limit blind hiding areas.
How tough,to be responsible and logical at the same time, without the patented american knee jerk reaction.
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It's not about PETA....it's about being logical. We're not talking about a Black Mamba here. It's a Rattlesnake. Unless you totally surprise it, it's going to run, FAST. The bigger threat to human habitat historically, is from an over abundance of rodents which carry disease vectors, such as the fleas that carried the plague. There are quite a few other diseases they pack with them, and anything that controls their population around my home is more than welcome.
The rat-borne hantaviruses , Puumala virus, Dobrava virus, Saaremaa virus, Lymphocytic choriomeningitis virus, Bacterial diseases, Rat bite fever, Rodent-borne salmonellosis, Protozoal diseases, Rodent-borne cestode infections, Rodent-borne nematode infections are all more likely to kill you than a single rattlesnake bite.
I live in Florida, and have rattlesnakes (two types, Timber and Mississauga) and aggressive black racers (non venomous, but will stand up to anything aggressively) on my porch sunning pretty much daily. I haven't seen a rodent on the property in years. Open the inside glass door with the screen closed and stomp a bit, and they move on. When I'm outside I shuffle my feet and take care of the property to limit blind hiding areas.
How tough,to be responsible and logical at the same time, without the patented american knee jerk reaction.
That's really the point: If you take the proper precautions you can limit if not outright eliminate the chance of an unfortunate encounter without having to resort to killing the animal, which frankly is to the benefit of you BOTH. I'm not saying you can't take action to defend yourself if you walk into trouble unexpectedly, but all it takes is a bit of foresight and planning and you won't even be IN that situation (that's a BIG error of human arrogance, to assume that just because we're supposed to be smarter that nature has to adhere to OUR rules. Sorry, nature can crush you like a bug in an instant if it wants to). There's things you can do with woodpiles and brush to make them less attractive hiding places for snakes (stack your firewood off the ground, for one, I believe there's racks out there just for that purpose or you can build one yourself. Rattlers don't climb very well. And maintain your property to eliminate overgrown vegetation and brush piles, which provide homes both for snakes and the prey they're after). Step on top of logs, not over them. If you're going to be messing around with a potential hiding place for a snake, wear a good pair of heavy work gloves and boots.
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So when the rattle snake bites and kills someone its just natural selection? How do you explain to the rattle snake that you were just living in Harmony?
You know dang well if you let rattle snakes live in your back yard at some point someone is going to get bit.
I think its a complete contradiction that its ok to let the snake kill the rats. But not logical to kill the snake. The rats have to be dealt with by death because they are deadly and thats ok ? the snakes are deadly but are not to be dealt with by death?
How did rats get so far down the list?
Its clear that were just seeing a logical theory here and not a moral one. But logic wont work when you start asking questions.
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Mmmmmm, rattlesnake.
Send me all the meat you want :aok
I'll take some 'gator, too. :D
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So when the rattle snake bites and kills someone its just natural selection? How do you explain to the rattle snake that you were just living in Harmony?
You know dang well if you let rattle snakes live in your back yard at some point someone is going to get bit.
I think its a complete contradiction that its ok to let the snake kill the rats. But not logical to kill the snake. The rats have to be dealt with by death because they are deadly and thats ok ? the snakes are deadly but are not to be dealt with by death?
How did rats get so far down the list?
Its clear that were just seeing a logical theory here and not a moral one. But logic wont work when you start asking questions.
Five to ten deaths occur per year from snakebite in the United States. People provoke bites by handling or even attacking snakes in a significant number of cases in the United States. Of the estimated 45,000 snakebites per year in the United States, about 8000 are by venomous snakes.
In the United States, 3 or 4 times more people die from bee stings than from snakebites.
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wrongway
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I'm happy we don't have many poisonous snakes in Connecticut.
(The few snakes we do have in Connecticut work in Congress and get sweet heart mortgage deals.)
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Killing a snake just because it's venomous is needless.
I took a shovel to a water moccasin, a.k.a. cottonmouth. It was in my yard and I had preschool children. Just prior, a neighbor lost a Rottweiler to a snake. There is no ethical dilemma in killing a dangerous animal in a residential setting.
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Does that include the neighbors?
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Does that include the neighbors?
If they are trying to do you in, especially on your property, absolutely.
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I'm happy we don't have many poisonous snakes in Connecticut.
(The few snakes we do have in Connecticut work in Congress and get sweet heart mortgage deals.)
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Moray: If rodents are such a big problem, he can always get a cat :aok
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Moray: If rodents are such a big problem, he can always get a cat :aok
Head out to one of your local farms and get a kitten. Doesn't matter what gender, but they have to be getting old enough to know to start catching its own food. Best rodent catchers I have seen, stand up to coyotes, are lovey-dovey when they are inside, and can grow to large sizes. As in nearing bobcat sizes.
Farm cats are great.
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Statements like this are one of the VERY few places where I can sympathize with animal rights groups. Killing a snake just because it's venomous is needless. Now if it's about to strike you, a family member, pet, etc. is one thing. You're defending yourself, that's fine. If for whatever reason you like the taste of snake meat (I understand snake tastes a lot like chicken, never tried it myself, tho) and are out actually hunting them is ok, too. But seeing one sunning itself on a log thirty feet away is no reason to go grab a shotgun and start blasting just because it's there.
the argument is that, you have no idea where the snake likes to hang out, it could be just passing by, or it could hang out under your porch when its too hot. If I had children and I saw a snake on my property i would kill it right then, I want to guarentee my childrens and my own saftey.
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Head out to one of your local farms and get a kitten. Doesn't matter what gender, but they have to be getting old enough to know to start catching its own food. Best rodent catchers I have seen, stand up to coyotes, are lovey-dovey when they are inside, and can grow to large sizes. As in nearing bobcat sizes.
Farm cats are great.
Would be a great idea.... If every single one of the rodent borne viruses weren't directly transmissible to just about every mammal there is, including Felis domesticus. Which means Fluffy eats the rat or mouse and brings home the Hantavirus, Puumala virus, Dobrava virus, or Saaremaa virus to you.
Whereas the viruses die inside the snake, as it's not transmissible from nor can they even replicate inside the reptilian system.
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So when the rattle snake bites and kills someone its just natural selection? How do you explain to the rattle snake that you were just living in Harmony?
You know dang well if you let rattle snakes live in your back yard at some point someone is going to get bit.
I think its a complete contradiction that its ok to let the snake kill the rats. But not logical to kill the snake. The rats have to be dealt with by death because they are deadly and thats ok ? the snakes are deadly but are not to be dealt with by death?
How did rats get so far down the list?
Its clear that were just seeing a logical theory here and not a moral one. But logic wont work when you start asking questions.
What exactly are you getting to? Logic says that I'm more likely to die from a rat borne virus or bacterial infection. Snake eats rodent and ends the vector to me, as in, all viruses and bacteria fauna inside the rodent cannot live in the snake, ending the threat to me.
All I need to do is act accordingly, and not give the snake a reason to bite me by accident, by being a responsible property owner. Morality is not a trait that population ecology deals with. Whether or not the rodents die, is not my call. Naturally, they will move away from the area where they are dieing, by either forced selection (READ: EATEN) or by choice. The snakes will then follow.
It's really just that logical.
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Im just trying to follow your Logic. YOu have no problem with the rats dieing.....But you do the rattlesnake.... It looks like its purely statistical..... Which means logically that for every x amount of rats killed .A rattlesnake should be killed also. That would be logical. Because its based on threat to you statistically.
Your applying a rule to the rat but not the snake.
"not give the snake a reason to bite by accident" is a false argument. # 1 Negatives can not happen in the human experiance. They can only be expressed with representational systems like Math or Language.
#2 your not applying the same rule to the rat.
#3 you dont need this argument because all the snakes have left.
:"Naturally, they will move away from the area where they are dieing, by either forced selection (READ: EATEN) or by choice. The snakes will then follow." Rats Have choice?
false argument. your previous argument says that the snakes are still there................How does a dead rat move? {Oh in the snake} The snake would have to eat every rat. Since when does a living rat move out of the area when its Buddy's are dieing....I would only have to kill x amount of rats to get them all to move. and the snakes to follow............. Were does that happen in Real World.? And logicaly that would have to be the advise you would have to give.... Just kill a few of the rats the rest will move and the snakes will follow. That would get rid of all threats.
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I think it would be a lot easier for some of the "holier than thous" in here to comment after they have owned any expanse of land in a venomous snake habitat. I have owned almost 50 acres east of Kissimmee, FL and I own almost double here west of the San Juans. Both areas are highly populated with venomous and non venomous snakes. Further, it is ignorant to say that that the removal of venomous snakes promotes the growth of vermin on a property. It is more a selective culling to protect both livestock, pets, and person. I also have a "kill on site" policy of anything found to be venomous. It makes sense and keeps the chances of a bite down. I also do not promote wandering in the brush in shorts and sandals (long story and a trip to the hospital lesson). The bottom line is that a venomous snake is not always prone to warning and more often not, attacks without a visible or audible warning.
That is real life experience and not some bs lab talk.
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get about 4-5 of these turn em loose on your land, they like rodents too :aok
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"not give the snake a reason to bite by accident" is a false argument. # 1 Negatives can not happen in the human experiance. They can only be expressed with representational systems like Math or Language.
This snake discussion aside, you are really in a muddle here. I suggest Wittgenstein for your therapy. ;)
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Patient: But logic wont work when you start asking questions!
Doctor: Ok thats a pretty serious condition. I'm going to prescribe you some Wittgenstein, if you finish the course and that hasnt cleared it up we can try some Ryle or Russell. You should be aware that the side effects may cause some irritatation. To people you are arguing with.
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I think it would be a lot easier for some of the "holier than thous" in here to comment after they have owned any expanse of land in a venomous snake habitat. I have owned almost 50 acres east of Kissimmee, FL and I own almost double here west of the San Juans. Both areas are highly populated with venomous and non venomous snakes. Further, it is ignorant to say that that the removal of venomous snakes promotes the growth of vermin on a property. It is more a selective culling to protect both livestock, pets, and person. I also have a "kill on site" policy of anything found to be venomous. It makes sense and keeps the chances of a bite down. I also do not promote wandering in the brush in shorts and sandals (long story and a trip to the hospital lesson). The bottom line is that a venomous snake is not always prone to warning and more often not, attacks without a visible or audible warning.
That is real life experience and not some bs lab talk.
That's funny. I own land not 50 miles from Kissimmee, FL. 27 acres, with mixed habitat. (Have directly identified 3 of the 4 poisonous snakes in Florida on my property.)
That is the experience I speak from. But, then again, who would expect you to actually read before you post your attack on me. (Two of my posts say it directly.)
It is not ignorant, as well, to say that the removal of a predator that specializes in killing rodents promotes the population growth of rodents. That's basic population ecology. If you remove top down controls (predators) the population is more closely controlled, therefore, by bottom up (Food resources) means. This allows for a higher population of rodents in the selected area.
Seriously, Bodhi. Read more. Talk less.
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Patient: But logic wont work when you start asking questions!
Doctor: Ok thats a pretty serious condition. I'm going to prescribe you some Wittgenstein, if you finish the course and that hasnt cleared it up we can try some Ryle or Russell. You should be aware that the side effects may cause some irritatation. To people you are arguing with.
Hehe, nice one. I'm not so sure about Ryle or Russell, though. :noid
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It is not ignorant, as well, to say that the removal of a predator that specializes in killing rodents promotes the population growth of rodents. That's basic population ecology. If you remove top down controls (predators) the population is more closely controlled, therefore, by bottom up (Food resources) means. This allows for a higher population of rodents in the selected area.
Seriously, Bodhi. Read more. Talk less.
There are plenty of bull and indigo snakes that abound in the area as well. They are both adept killers of rodents and poisonous snakes. Coral Snakes, rattlers, and cotton mouths all represent a serious danger to people if bitten. Allowing them to remain on a property that is regularly used by both children and adults is haphazard. Were I to even try to kill every last snake on the Florida property I would have failed miserably as I would never find them all. Generally one's around structure and found in traveled areas received the axe. The rancher that used a large portion of the land for cattle appreciated it, and also had the same policy. The belief that only that only venomous snakes control the rodent population is ignorant.
Before you claim I attacked you, I'd suggest you read the majority of others posts defending snakes. Those were what I was responding to, you egotistical donkey. I could care less about you or of giving you the time of day. If there were an ignore feature, you would be on it.
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There are plenty of bull and indigo snakes that abound in the area as well. They are both adept killers of rodents and poisonous snakes. Coral Snakes, rattlers, and cotton mouths all represent a serious danger to people if bitten. Allowing them to remain on a property that is regularly used by both children and adults is haphazard. Were I to even try to kill every last snake on the Florida property I would have failed miserably as I would never find them all. Generally one's around structure and found in traveled areas received the axe. The rancher that used a large portion of the land for cattle appreciated it, and also had the same policy. The belief that only that only venomous snakes control the rodent population is ignorant.
Before you claim I attacked you, I'd suggest you read the majority of others posts defending snakes. Those were what I was responding to, you egotistical donkey. I could care less about you or of giving you the time of day. If there were an ignore feature, you would be on it.
LOL. This wasn't directed at me (below)? How many biologists are in this thread then? Bodhi, please keep going. You following me around the boards is entertaining.
That is real life experience and not some bs lab talk.
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Before you claim I attacked you, I'd suggest you read the majority of others posts defending snakes. Those were what I was responding to
Who's that? Saxman and I? :confused: I would hardly characterize either of our posts as "holier than thou." If you weren't addressing Moray, then please explain.
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LOL. This wasn't directed at me (below)? How many biologists are in this thread then? Bodhi, please keep going. You following me around the boards is entertaining.
Please get off your high horse and get this straight:
I do not care about you, think about you, nor ever want to deal with you.
Grow the hell up.
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Please get off your high horse and get this straight:
I do not care about you, think about you, nor ever want to deal with you.
Grow the hell up.
It was you that has come after me in every thread. Just stop, and you won't have to "deal" with me. You've been muted for it, prior(as soon as three months ago??). You came to this thread as you have to most others: Late and directly after me. I am the only person that directly said removal of venomous snakes increases rodent populations. I'm the only one you know works in a lab. I quote you....
Further, it is ignorant to say that that the removal of venomous snakes promotes the growth of vermin on a property.
That is real life experience and not some bs lab talk.
So, your course of action is very obvious.
Don't reply and cease your petty insults.
I surmise you cannot do either, as the past year and a half of you dogging me has shown. I find it hilarious that you attempt to quote the scientific method as "not being a show of hands", yet seemingly always stand on the side that forms opinions based on absolutely zero empirical data whatsoever, such as your current one in this thread.
http://www.asih.org/files/positionpaper.pdf (http://www.asih.org/files/positionpaper.pdf)
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Moray,
I understand that you're "right" in that rats are technically the larger threat, but it's not going to make me see it that way... If I were to see a poisonous snake around my property, and I had kids or animals I cared about, I'd kill the thing too, and either take my chances with the rats or meddle even more in the ecosystem to take on the rats via another method (cat, etc.)
I might be "wrong," but I don't care. I'll rely on human instinct over empirical data when it comes to my own home. Perhaps I'll pay the price and catch the plague, who knows? It's better than seeing a kid/dog bit, IMO.
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Moray,
I understand that you're "right" in that rats are technically the larger threat, but it's not going to make me see it that way... If I were to see a poisonous snake around my property, and I had kids or animals I cared about, I'd kill the thing too, and either take my chances with the rats or meddle even more in the ecosystem to take on the rats via another method (cat, etc.)
I might be "wrong," but I don't care. I'll rely on human instinct over empirical data when it comes to my own home. Perhaps I'll pay the price and catch the plague, who knows? It's better than seeing a kid/dog bit, IMO.
That is your prerogative on your land, and your right in constructive debate. At least you can disagree respectfully.
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Rattlers are territorial, and I've personally known 2 people who have been bitten, with no warning, no rattling, nothing. If you have kids or pets and you see one on your property, you would be a fool to just leave it there, I sure as hell won't.
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That is your prerogative on your land, and your right in constructive debate. At least you can disagree respectfully.
Well I get what you're saying and it does make sense. It's just that it's easier for me to imagine the snake bite than the plague.
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It was you that has come after me in every thread. Just stop, and you won't have to "deal" with me. You've been muted for it, prior(as soon as three months ago??). You came to this thread as you have to most others: Late and directly after me. I am the only person that directly said removal of venomous snakes increases rodent populations. I'm the only one you know works in a lab. I quote you....
So, your course of action is very obvious.
Don't reply and cease your petty insults.
As I have said at least a dozen times in the past, get over yourself. I could care less about your opinion of me, as you come off as nothing more than a childish blow hard in most people's eyes.
If you want to play "one-up-manship" for my week long ban, remember that you joined right along with me. How about the repeated times I have logged into game and you barrage me with join requests, check sixes, and every possible way of harassment when I could care less about you. I am not going to play your childish games anymore. You just want to bait me into insulting you to try and get a ban.
Grow up.
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As I have said at least a dozen times in the past, get over yourself. I could care less about your opinion of me, as you come off as nothing more than a childish blow hard in most people's eyes.
If you want to play "one-up-manship" for my week long ban, remember that you joined right along with me. How about the repeated times I have logged into game and you barrage me with join requests, check sixes, and every possible way of harassment when I could care less about you. I am not going to play your childish games anymore. You just want to bait me into insulting you to try and get a ban.
Grow up.
Yup, you just can't stay away.
:lol
Post a film of my "abuse". We both know there is none. I mean, I don't even know what your in-game is, let alone care enough to ruin my enjoyment of the game to harass you.
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There are probably 10 other species of snakes that also eat mice other than the three kind I kill on sight. And thats not counting the neighbors cats, yotes, and hawks that thermal my hill. I'm not concerned about the mice. I am concerned about venemous snakes.
We're just going to have to agree to disagree on this issue.
Wab
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Turn it into a luxury condom and sell it on e-bay.
;)
lol