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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Widewing on August 09, 2009, 11:31:49 PM
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In the autobiography of a Soviet IL-2 pilot, it is revealed that the IL-2 had an emergency power setting. It is referred to as "forsazh".
The Book is Red Sky, Black Death by Anya (Anna) Timofeyeva-Yegorova. Translated from Russian and published by Slavica Publishers, Indiana University. ISBN 780893573553
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0e/Yegorova.jpg)
In the book, this pilot's IL-2 was tail-end charlie of a group of 6 IL-2s. It is being attacked by several Bf 109s from behind. Here's the passage.
"After another hit from close-range, I engaged forsazh1 mode, shoved the control stick forward to gather some speed, shot past the group."
Footnote at bottom of page:
1 Literally "boost," or "power augmentation". Similar to "War Emergency Power" in U.S. military aircraft of that era. "Forsazh" is an emergency power setting to increase the engine power above safe limits, used only for a few minutes at time because of the additional stress placed on the engine.
My regards,
Widewing
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In the autobiography of a Soviet IL-2 pilot, it is revealed that the IL-2 had an emergency power setting. It is referred to as "forsazh".
The Book is Red Sky, Black Death by Anya (Anna) Timofeyeva-Yegorova. Translated from Russian and published by Slavica Publishers, Indiana University. ISBN 780893573553
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0e/Yegorova.jpg)
In the book, this pilot's IL-2 was tail-end charlie of a group of 6 IL-2s. It is being attacked by several Bf 109s from behind. Here's the passage.
"After another hit from close-range, I engaged forsazh1 mode, shoved the control stick forward to gather some speed, shot past the group."
Footnote at bottom of page:
1 Literally "boost," or "power augmentation". Similar to "War Emergency Power" in U.S. military aircraft of that era. "Forsazh" is an emergency power setting to increase the engine power above safe limits, used only for a few minutes at time because of the additional stress placed on the engine.
My regards,
Widewing
This could be interesting for the Il-2 in AH. Any supporting documentation out there or other corroborating accounts?
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WEP for the IL-2 would be a nice addition :aok How ever the cries for perking it will only increase.
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Why would a WEP setting make the IL-2 eligible for a perk? The thing is in a close race with the Stuka as being the only plane in the game that can suffer a bird strike from any direction...
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WEP for the IL-2 would be a nice addition :aok How ever the cries for perking it will only increase.
Not really. Excess engine power isn't the cause of its success against GV's.
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Soviet women, got to love 'em... Or they'll kill you!
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Not really. Excess engine power isn't the cause of its success against GV's.
Nope it is the unsychronized 37mm cannons that are sychronized in this game that help it.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,263890.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,263890.0.html)
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Widewing,
How is that book?
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It would turn a 245 mph bird into a 255 mph one.
On the other hand a bit more acceleration would be an edge. Again Im talking about fighting GVs and keeping energy up, or stored.
A good find either way. Nice grab by the Wingster.
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I know some of you hate wikipedia, but:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikulin_AM-38 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikulin_AM-38)
Their source is:
Gunston, Bill. World Encyclopedia of Aero Engines. Cambridge, England. Patrick Stephens Limited, 1989
The article specifically mentions that it was the AM-38F variant of the engine that had 10 minutes of boost, so not until we get a 109G-6/AS! :devil
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In the flight sim Il-2, the manifold can be pushed 10% beyond standard military power in all Il-2 variants, but that's not the same as "forsazh" (which you can engage in the La-5 and La-7).
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Why would a WEP setting make the IL-2 eligible for a perk? The thing is in a close race with the Stuka as being the only plane in the game that can suffer a bird strike from any direction...
It should not make it a perk issue in my opinion.
I thought I was being sarcastic enough that it should have been obvious. Whoops wrong.
With all the complaints I have seen on the BBS about the IL-2 being too much of a game changer with the new cannon load out & how on GV'S it has been such a killer of them. I thought for sure cries for perking it would only increase with WEP added.
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Widewing,
How is that book?
It is very candid and provides a unique look into Soviet aviation during the war. The translation into English generates many run-on sentences as the punctuation does translate well.
I would not go out of my way to buy it, but it was a new addition to our local (and huge) library.
My regards,
Widewing
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I know some of you hate wikipedia, but:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikulin_AM-38 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikulin_AM-38)
Their source is:
Gunston, Bill. World Encyclopedia of Aero Engines. Cambridge, England. Patrick Stephens Limited, 1989
The article specifically mentions that it was the AM-38F variant of the engine that had 10 minutes of boost, so not until we get a 109G-6/AS! :devil
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In the flight sim Il-2, the manifold can be pushed 10% beyond standard military power in all Il-2 variants, but that's not the same as "forsazh" (which you can engage in the La-5 and La-7).
Interesting, but Russian version doesn't say "forsazh",it is a "take off" mode
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It is very candid and provides a unique look into Soviet aviation during the war. The translation into English generates many run-on sentences as the punctuation does translate well.
I would not go out of my way to buy it, but it was a new addition to our local (and huge) library.
My regards,
Widewing
Weird question, but why were those engines running rediculously low compression ratios? 5.5:1? Right now we're 8.5:1 on a N/A engine, 7.5:1 on a turbo. Was it the metals?
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Why would a WEP setting make the IL-2 eligible for a perk? The thing is in a close race with the Stuka as being the only plane in the game that can suffer a bird strike from any direction...
:rofl
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Weird question, but why were those engines running rediculously low compression ratios? 5.5:1? Right now we're 8.5:1 on a N/A engine, 7.5:1 on a turbo. Was it the metals?
Compared to the Allison V1710, the AM-38F was a bus engine. Nothing approaching the sophistication of the Allison. Its displacement was huge at 2,847 cubic inches and its max rpm was 2,350 compared to the Allison's 3,000 RPM. It weighed 500 lb more than an Allison of comparable power. Compression was 6.0:1, with the Allison at 6.5:1. Soviet refined avgas was generally poor compared to western fuel, so low compression was lower.
This was a big, slow turning motor that proved to be extremely robust, which was a primary consideration.
My regards,
Widewing