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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: stealth on August 14, 2009, 12:10:57 AM
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I think we need this bomber because well how many German bomber's do we have 2 that's it. There all dive bomber's we need a heavy level bomber ed least that's what I think what about you and this German bomber was well armed with protection. :)
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Instead of ripping off your head for not searching, I'll just give you a link to my post on the Do 217...
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,239807.0.html
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Big steps for you!! WTG!
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Edit: CONGRATS! The Grammar Police and Punctuation Organization have almost approved your post!!
Not even close.
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Not even close.
Well, he's showing some improvement. I think we'll need a legitimate English teacher to get him over the hump, though.
Nice effort though, Stealth :aok
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Fail.
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Fail.
HAHA!! Got it to work :O
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HAHA!! Got it to work :O
Yes. After almost 1h trying... :lol
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Yes. After almost 1h trying... :lol
:rofl, I know
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I believe I speak for millions ;) of AH subscribers everywhere that the He111 is more deserving of AH design resources than the Do217. The He111 was produced in far greater numbers and was the backbone of the Lw bomber force throughout the war. But alas... all of us knew that, well... most of us. :)
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I believe I speak for millions ;) of AH subscribers
Not for me.
The Do 217 was a very important bomber from 1941-1944, when the He 111 was already being relegated to second line duties, especially at the Western front, where the 217 continued to fly night and day sorties vs. England, along with the Ju 88 and 188.
Until the He 177 showed up, it was the heaviest of all German bombers.
We already have one vulnerable German early war Bomber. While scenarios are a very important part of Aces High, 95% of all sorties are still flown in the main arenas. If I want to fly German iron only,it would make sense to FIRST add a bomber that's more competitive with other (allied) models than adding another one that's even slower than the Ju 88
Like the B-25, introduce 2 variants of the Do 217 and you have covered EW, MW & LW.
The 217 would close a far bigger gap in the planesets for all purposes.
(http://www.panzergeneral.de/images/do217.jpg)
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Smokin, imho the only real use the HE111 would see after the shiny silver lining wore off would be in Scenarios...
HE 111
General characteristics
Crew: 4 (pilot, navigator/bombardier/nose gunner, ventral gunner, dorsal gunner)
Length: 16.4 m (53 ft 9½ in)
Wingspan: 22.60 m (74 ft 2 in)
Height: 4.00 m (13 ft 1½ in)
Wing area: 87.60 m² (942.92 ft²)
Empty weight: 8,680 kg (19,136lb lb)
Loaded weight: 12,030 kg (26,500 lb)
Max takeoff weight: 14,000 kg (30,864 lb)
Powerplant: 2× Jumo 211F-1 or 211F-2 liquid-cooled inverted V-12, 986 kW (1,300 hp (F-1) or 1,340 (F-2)) each
Performance
Maximum speed: 440 km/h (273 mph)
Range: 2,300 km (1,429 mi) with maximum fuel
Service ceiling: 6,500 m (21,330 ft)
Rate of climb: 20 minutes to 5,185 m (17,000 ft)
Wing loading: 137 kg/m² (28.1 lb/ft²)
Power/mass: .082 kW/kg (.049 hp/lb)
Armament
Guns:
up to 7 × 7.92 mm MG 15 or MG 81 machine guns, some of them replaced or augmented by
1 × 20 mm MG FF cannon (central nose mount or forward ventral position)
1 × 13 mm MG 131 machine gun (mounted dorsal and/or ventral rear positions)
Bombs:
up to 2,000 kg (4,409 lb) carried internally (eight 250 kg max), OR:
up to 2,500 kg (5,512 lb) on two external racks
Do.217
General characteristics
Crew: 4
Length: 17.00 m (55 ft 9 in)
Wingspan: 19.00 m (62 ft 4 in)
Height: 4.96 m (16 ft 3½ in)
Wing area: 57.00 m² (613.54 ft²)
Empty weight: 9,100 kg (20,062 lb)
Max takeoff weight: 16,700 kg (36,817 lb)
Powerplant: 2× DB 603A 12-cylinder inverted-vee engine, 1,750 PS (1,726 hp, 1,287 kW) each
Performance
Maximum speed: 557 km/h at 5,700 m (347 mph at 18,700 ft)
Cruise speed: 400 km/h (248 mph)
Range: 2,145 km (1,332 miles)
Service ceiling 7,370 m (24,180 ft (with max bombload))
Rate of climb: 210 m/min (688 ft/min)
Armament
4 x 7.92 mm MG 81 machine guns in nose and lateral positions
2 x 13 mm MG 131 machine guns in dorsal and ventral positions
up to 4,000 kg (8,818 lb) of disposable stores
Seems like an almost all around better plane... ;)
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I think we need this bomber because well how many German bomber's do we have 2 that's it. There all dive bomber's we need a heavy level bomber ed least that's what I think what about you and this German bomber was well armed with protection. :)
Wrong, the Ju-88 was not a dive-bomber. It was a level bomber with dive brakes attached to the wings in order to satisfy the higher-ups who felt that dive-bombing was a better strategy than level-bombing.
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Wrong, the Ju-88 was not a dive-bomber. It was a level bomber with dive brakes attached to the wings in order to satisfy the higher-ups who felt that dive-bombing was a better strategy than level-bombing.
No, the Ju 88 was a dive bomber as well as a level bomber.
In fact, the Ju 88 was also used as a fighter-bomber and a night fighter...
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Smokin, imho the only real use the HE111 would see after the shiny silver lining wore off would be in Scenarios...
I do believe the same was said about the I-16 and the Brewster.....
Maybe give it a chance before slamming it
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I do believe the same was said about the I-16 and the Brewster.....
Maybe give it a chance before slamming it
Not slamming it, infact, I would love to see the HE 111 added in game, but I disagreed on his statement that it's "more important" than the Do.217. Plus, Lusche pointed out some really good facts. ;)
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Not slamming it, infact, I would love to see the HE 111 added in game, but I disagreed on his statement that it's "more important" than the Do.217. Plus, Lusche pointed out some really good facts. ;)
Forgive me trig, I wasn't so much meaning that towards you, it was more just to everyone who says 'No point having this, its a Hanger Queen'. I would personally like to see both of them added, simply because it would keep almost everyone happy. The 'Uber-Ride' police get their big bomber, and us Historical geeks get the HE111
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The Do 217 is far from an uber-ride; I think that among German bombers, that would go to the He 177.
The Do 217 is to mid-war scenarios what the He 111 would be to early-war, though in a different way-
The He 111, being much slower than the Ju 88 gives allied fighters a better chance in very early scenarios. The Do 217 being much faster and slightly better armed than the Ju 88 gives Axis bomber pilots a much better chance of survival in mid war scenarios, where a spot in the Ju 88 is pretty much a suicide mission.
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+1
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The Do 217 is far from an uber-ride; I think that among German bombers, that would go to the He 177.
The Do 217 is to mid-war scenarios what the He 111 would be to early-war, though in a different way-
The He 111, being much slower than the Ju 88 gives allied fighters a better chance in very early scenarios. The Do 217 being much faster and slightly better armed than the Ju 88 gives Axis bomber pilots a much better chance of survival in mid war scenarios, where a spot in the Ju 88 is pretty much a suicide mission.
Ok, maybe 'Uber Ride' was the wrong phrase. For that I'm sorry. I would still like to see the HE111 before, but I'm happy for any plane, bar the infamous b....... but lets not go there. I'm sure the DO 219 would be a good plane. I was more just meaning its another plane that wont fit into the lacking EW plane set. MW has Adequate planes and the LW has ample, but the EW is decidedly lacking in variety.
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I give two thumbs up for both the DO-217 and the HE-111! :aok :aok
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I'm sure the DO 219 would be a good plane. I was more just meaning its another plane that wont fit into the lacking EW plane set. MW has Adequate planes and the LW has ample, but the EW is decidedly lacking in variety.
Do 217 was in service from late 40/early 41 on -> EW
And flying German or even "axis", LW is massively lacking in variety as far as bombers are concerned
Allied Bombers: B-17, B-24, B-26, Lancaster, B-25C, Boston III - Speed, firepower, payload.. you want it? You got it
Axis Bombers: Ju-88, Ki-67 Hmm either slow and almost defenseless with a good payload, or fast with less payload than an allied fighter-bomber ;)
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Do 217 was in service from late 40/early 41 on -> EW
And flying German or even "axis", LW is massively lacking in variety as far as bombers are concerned
Allied Bombers: B-17, B-24, B-26, Lancaster, B-25C, Boston III - Speed, firepower, payload.. you want it? You got it
Axis Bombers: Ju-88, Ki-67 Hmm either slow and almost defenseless with a good payload, or fast with less payload than an allied fighter-bomber ;)
Think I should just give up? I know what I mean lol :P