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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: M.C.202 on December 10, 2001, 12:23:00 PM
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I'll go for an Axis one:
Payload 40 + troops and their equipment, or one fighter (dismantled)
Empty weight 23,259lbs, max 39,727lbs
Armament one .50 and four light mgs. and or , or 8,818lbs as a bomber ;)
Range 1,864 miles
Max speed 230mph, cruising 186mph
Built 400+
S.M. 82 Canguru :D
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I'd rather have the C-47s idiot cousin:-JU52 :D :D :D
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I'd like to see the Japanese and Soviet versions of the C-47, with defensive armament.
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Well we could "reskin" the C47 we have and add some guns.
THEN
Put in a transport from another country such as the Ju52.
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Would be nice if the next transport was a troop-carrying flying boat, like that huge German thing (think it was a Blomm und Voss but forget the designation).
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Lets compare the Ju 52 and the S.M. 82.
(edit... Humm, the formating did not transfer, but I think it's understandable)
S.M.82 Ju 52
Range 1,864miles 620 miles WITH aux tanks, 808miles
Max speed 230mph 171mph
Cruising 186mph 130
Troops 40+ 18
empty weight 23,259lbs 12,610
Max weight 39,727lbs 23,149
armament 1 .50cal, 4 light mgs 2 light mgs
Bombs 8,818lbs 1,102lbs
And the AZ types will like the name ;)
[ 12-10-2001: Message edited by: M.C.202 ]
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H8K4 "Emily"
Armored, fast, great climb rate, tremendous range and well defended.
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M.C.202 , has a point :) That planne would be very interesting.I may even have to reevaulate my position on the Cant Z. 1007 as a buff for Italy...hmmmmm
A Tabby would be just to easy :)
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Brady said:
M.C.202 , has a point That plane would be very interesting.I may even have to reevaulate my position on the Cant Z. 1007 as a buff for Italy...hmmmmm
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The Cant Z.1007 is faster, better armed, and LOTs nicer looking, but the troop and cargo load is not bad in the S.M.82. He he, the question when you see three headed to your field is what one(s) have the bombs, what one(s) the troops ;)
For an all out Italian bomber, the best is the P.108. I want the P.108A :D
> A Tabby would be just to easy
Yep.
For a small cargo bird the Gotha 244 is not too bad, but an easy target.
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Yes the P.108 would be the best by far without a doubt, but so few were made I think some may balk at it's inclushion for this reasion alone.
The S.M. 82 is Interesting because of it's payload and the troop carying capability that could be easly done by a variant, this 2 birds for one throw aspect makes it interesting, in so much as MA use is concerened.
I think the Cant Z 1007 would be a good choice for a buff though one that HTC might actualy do. built in respectable #'s and in uses throught the war, good bomb load for a medieum buff and usefull for scenarious.
The P 108 the best of all the Italian Buff's might loses out as far as HTC is concerned because of the low numbers produced :(
At any rate any one of the 3 would be a graet addation to the MA, It is high time that Italy got a new toy :)
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gigant :D
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I was thinking of planes HTC might actually want to spend time and money to introduce.
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Here's my suggestion:
(http://www.sci.fi/~ambush/faf/dc1.jpg)
DC-2 in Finnish Air Force markings :)
Perfect play balance: It would have a machine gun but would be slower than C-47. :)
I know everyone in their right mind would choose speed over bb-gun but I would fly this one. :D
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1Wmaker1
Lentolaivue 34
[ 12-11-2001: Message edited by: Wmaker ]
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Arado Ar 232 "Tatzelwurm"
(http://www.unsere-luftwaffe.de/flugzeuge/ar232_a.gif)
Length: 23.53 m
Width: 33.50 m
Height: 6.60 m
Crew: 4
Engine: BMW Bramo 323 R-2
Achievement: 4 x 1000 HP
Vmax: 308 km/h
Range: 1340 km
Ceiling: 6900 m
Armament: 1 x mg 131
1 x mg 151/20
2 x mg 151
Eight MG 34 infantry machine guns mounted in the sides.
F.
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Wow that thing is smurfy.
I'd like to see the Gigant, but it would probably just be easy meat in the MA.
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C54. Top speed 279mph.
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I would have to vote for the foreign C-47's as pointed out by funked and the Ju-52.
For Italy, I would rather see a dedicated bomber. Hmmm, you guys do have a valid point though about the Cant Z. 1007 though. OK, add all three :D
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How about the Curtiss commando?
More powerful and faster than the C-47..
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I vote for the JU52. Would be slower, less range than C47 but could be used as bomber too and has guns (2 MG if im right).
So one has to make the choice between a "relative" fast C47 without guns or a slow JU52 with guns (which also could be a bomber). I dont want to see a better performer (with guns) than the C47 cause no one would fly the C47 anymore.
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JU52
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I am prety shure a large number of people would love to see a new transport, and one with guns at that, wheather it is a Tabby, Ju 52. S.M. 82, or whatever is and will always be a subject for debate.
What the big point is will HTC actualy do this? As has been mentioned above if they did why would anyone fly the C 47 when they could launch a Tabby on the same mishion with 3 guns to defend theam selves?
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Exactly thats it brady!. Therfore I like to see the JU52 (or a similar one) which is slower and maybe more fragile than the C47 but armed.
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What about the float varienet of the JU 52?
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brady said:
What about the float varienet of the JU 52?
How about the float set as an option for the C-47 :D
BIG damm floats.