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Title: And the next transport should be...
Post by: M.C.202 on December 10, 2001, 12:23:00 PM
I'll go for an Axis one:

Payload          40 + troops and their equipment, or one fighter (dismantled)

Empty weight  23,259lbs, max 39,727lbs

Armament     one .50 and four light mgs. and or , or 8,818lbs as a bomber   ;)

Range                1,864 miles

Max speed         230mph, cruising 186mph

Built                     400+

S.M. 82 Canguru  :D
Title: And the next transport should be...
Post by: Hammerhead on December 10, 2001, 01:25:00 PM
I'd rather have the C-47s idiot cousin:-JU52  :D   :D   :D
Title: And the next transport should be...
Post by: funkedup on December 10, 2001, 03:43:00 PM
I'd like to see the Japanese and Soviet versions of the C-47, with defensive armament.
Title: And the next transport should be...
Post by: skernsk on December 10, 2001, 04:06:00 PM
Well we could "reskin" the C47 we have and add some guns.

THEN

Put in a transport from another country such as the Ju52.
Title: And the next transport should be...
Post by: Bluefish on December 10, 2001, 04:42:00 PM
Would be nice if the next transport was a troop-carrying flying boat, like that huge German thing (think it was a Blomm und Voss but forget the designation).
Title: And the next transport should be...
Post by: M.C.202 on December 10, 2001, 07:07:00 PM
Lets compare the Ju 52 and the S.M. 82.
(edit... Humm, the formating did not transfer, but I think it's understandable)

                           S.M.82                   Ju 52

Range           1,864miles         620 miles WITH aux tanks, 808miles

Max speed       230mph                171mph

Cruising           186mph                 130

Troops               40+                           18

empty weight    23,259lbs             12,610

Max  weight       39,727lbs             23,149

armament    1 .50cal, 4 light mgs   2 light mgs

Bombs             8,818lbs                  1,102lbs


And the AZ types will like the name   ;)

[ 12-10-2001: Message edited by: M.C.202 ]
Title: And the next transport should be...
Post by: Karnak on December 10, 2001, 09:03:00 PM
H8K4 "Emily"

Armored, fast, great climb rate, tremendous range and well defended.
Title: And the next transport should be...
Post by: brady on December 10, 2001, 10:02:00 PM
M.C.202 , has a point :) That planne would be very interesting.I may even have to reevaulate my position on the Cant Z. 1007 as a buff for Italy...hmmmmm

  A Tabby would be just to easy :)
Title: And the next transport should be...
Post by: M.C.202 on December 10, 2001, 11:59:00 PM
Brady said:
M.C.202 , has a point  That plane would be very interesting.I may even have to reevaulate my position on the Cant Z. 1007 as a buff for Italy...hmmmmm
End Quote

The Cant Z.1007 is faster, better armed, and LOTs nicer looking, but the troop and cargo load is not bad in the S.M.82. He he, the question when you see three headed to your field is what one(s) have the bombs, what one(s) the troops  ;)

For an all out Italian bomber, the best is the P.108. I want the P.108A  :D  

> A Tabby would be just to easy

Yep.

For a small cargo bird the Gotha 244 is not too bad, but an easy target.
Title: And the next transport should be...
Post by: brady on December 11, 2001, 12:37:00 AM
Yes the P.108 would be the best by far without a doubt, but so few were made I think some may balk at it's inclushion for this reasion alone.

 The S.M. 82 is Interesting because of it's payload and the troop carying capability that could be easly done by a variant, this 2 birds for one throw aspect makes it interesting, in so much as MA use is concerened.

 I think the Cant Z 1007 would be a good choice for a buff though one that HTC might actualy do. built in respectable #'s and in uses throught the war, good bomb load for a medieum buff and usefull for scenarious.

 The P 108 the best of all the Italian Buff's might loses out as far as HTC is concerned because of the low numbers produced :(

 At any rate any one of the 3 would be a graet addation to the MA, It is high time that Italy got a new toy :)
Title: And the next transport should be...
Post by: Sancho on December 11, 2001, 07:56:00 AM
gigant  :D
Title: And the next transport should be...
Post by: funkedup on December 11, 2001, 08:47:00 AM
I was thinking of planes HTC might actually want to spend time and money to introduce.
Title: And the next transport should be...
Post by: Wmaker on December 11, 2001, 09:19:00 AM
Here's my suggestion:
   (http://www.sci.fi/~ambush/faf/dc1.jpg)  

DC-2 in Finnish Air Force markings    :)

Perfect play balance: It would have a machine gun but would be slower than C-47.    :)

I know everyone in their right mind would choose speed over bb-gun but I would fly this one.   :D

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1Wmaker1
Lentolaivue 34

[ 12-11-2001: Message edited by: Wmaker ]
Title: And the next transport should be...
Post by: Furious on December 11, 2001, 11:44:00 AM
Arado Ar 232 "Tatzelwurm"

 (http://www.unsere-luftwaffe.de/flugzeuge/ar232_a.gif)


Length:  23.53 m  
Width:  33.50 m  
Height:  6.60 m  
Crew:  4  
Engine:  BMW Bramo 323 R-2  
Achievement:  4 x 1000 HP  
Vmax:  308 km/h  
Range:  1340 km  
Ceiling:  6900 m  
Armament:  1 x mg 131  
1 x mg 151/20  
2 x mg 151  
Eight MG 34 infantry machine guns mounted in the sides.


F.
Title: And the next transport should be...
Post by: Raubvogel on December 11, 2001, 11:49:00 AM
Wow that thing is smurfy.

I'd like to see the Gigant, but it would probably just be easy meat in the MA.
Title: And the next transport should be...
Post by: fdiron on December 11, 2001, 05:08:00 PM
C54.  Top speed 279mph.
Title: And the next transport should be...
Post by: Sundog on December 11, 2001, 08:22:00 PM
I would have to vote for the foreign C-47's as pointed out by funked and the Ju-52.

For Italy, I would rather see a dedicated bomber. Hmmm, you guys do have a valid point though about the Cant Z. 1007 though. OK, add all three  :D
Title: And the next transport should be...
Post by: Angus on December 12, 2001, 03:32:00 AM
How about the Curtiss commando?
More powerful and faster than the C-47..
Title: And the next transport should be...
Post by: Duedel on December 12, 2001, 05:18:00 AM
I vote for the JU52. Would be slower, less range than C47 but could be used as bomber too and has guns (2 MG if im right).
So one has to make the choice between a "relative" fast C47 without guns or a slow JU52 with guns (which also could be a bomber). I dont want to see a better performer (with guns) than the C47 cause no one would fly the C47 anymore.
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Post by: hblair on December 12, 2001, 07:59:00 AM
JU52
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Post by: brady on December 12, 2001, 07:10:00 PM
I am prety shure a large number of people would love to see a new transport, and one with guns at that, wheather it is a Tabby, Ju 52. S.M. 82, or whatever is and will always be a subject for debate.

  What the big point is will HTC actualy do this? As has been mentioned above if they did why would anyone fly the C 47 when they could launch a Tabby on the same mishion with 3 guns to defend theam selves?
Title: And the next transport should be...
Post by: Duedel on December 13, 2001, 04:11:00 AM
Exactly thats it brady!. Therfore I like to see the JU52 (or a similar one) which is slower and maybe more fragile than the C47 but armed.
Title: And the next transport should be...
Post by: brady on December 13, 2001, 07:03:00 PM
What about the float varienet of the JU 52?
Title: And the next transport should be...
Post by: M.C.202 on December 13, 2001, 11:46:00 PM
brady  said:
What about the float varienet of the JU 52?

How about the float set as an option for the C-47  :D
BIG damm floats.