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General Forums => Custom Skins => Topic started by: Greebo on August 16, 2009, 07:58:51 AM
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Upstage asked me if I could do a P-47 skin for his squad, the 365th FG, and this is it. This aircraft was one of the first bubbletop Thunderbolts and was flown by 6 kill ace Lt. Col. Robert Coffey between D Day and the 11th July when he was shot down by flak. Coffey managed to evade capture and make his way back to friendly lines.
(http://www.gfg06.dial.pipex.com/screenshots1/365th_FG_P-47D_SC1.jpg)
(http://www.gfg06.dial.pipex.com/screenshots1/365th_FG_P-47D_SC2.jpg)
(http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp316/rmachaos/a3bdbb8fea1.jpg)
(http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp316/rmachaos/14172176d91.jpg)
(http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp316/rmachaos/9182781d681.jpg)
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Beautiful as always, Greebo. So glad to see this baby coming to the game!
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Glad to see this one come back into the mix again. Nice pick up on how the d-day stripes in the profile don't match the picture in it's destruction phase.
Here are a few more pictures of said aircraft.
(http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/01ab0efa2f.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)
(http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/056dfb36fe.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)
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Yes i was about to comment on that same thing, the d day stripes in the original picture continue to the top of the fusealoge and down the other side all the way around.
TT
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Will look forward to flying this bird when she's available!
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Yes i was about to comment on that same thing, the d day stripes in the original picture continue to the top of the fuselage and down the other side all the way around.
TT
No, they don't. They are painted over. Look at the "4" where they left enough between it and the "paint over" so it shows up. The "4" was on a white stripe so it would stand to reason that if the stripes went over the top it would be white above the "4" and not dark.
It's like in the profile and on the skin. OD covers the invasion stripes above the Star.
wrongway
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Seems to me it's a pretty good indicator that the Jug survived into July when the top invasion stripes were painted over. It's clear that it carried both full and then partial invasion stripes. Personally I like the partial invasion stripe look better. Nice work Greebo! :)
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I like the painted-over look aswell. Why I fly Oboe's 479th 'Swanaa Jr." That's a paint-over eh?
Looking forward to using this skin in-game greebo!
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I like the painted-over look aswell. Why I fly Oboe's 479th 'Swanaa Jr." That's a paint-over eh?
Looking forward to using this skin in-game greebo!
Also the top portions of the wings have the invasion stripes painted over as well not just the fuselage & Greebo caught that too. :aok
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Very nice SIR the squad looks forward to flying it when it makes it in. :salute
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Nice work!
Are you going to make another that crashed and on fire like the pic? :D
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bump... best looking jug skin I have seen yet but its still not in game as far as i can see... pls fix
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Thank you Citabria, that means a lot coming from you. I'm 90% certain I got an acceptance email for this skin in the last batch, but I can't check for certain until I get home tonight. As the P47D-25 slots are all full this skin is probably being held in the queue.
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Nice Greebo. I like the metal especially. Good stuff! :aok
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*drools*
Nice work Greebo!
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I think I'll be flying the D-25 from now on.
:salute Greebo
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This skin has been accepted and therefore must be in the queue. I'll email HTC and see if they will swap it for one of my other D-25 skins in the next batch.
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Greebo,
Please do not ask for any of your skins to be removed from the game. They are the highest-quality P-47 skins, and set a high standard for skinners to examine and emulate for weathering and scratching, etc, besides showing off AH2 in its best light in terms of aircraft detail.
I would suggest removing one of the 3 French skins from the current rotation...
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This skin has been accepted and therefore must be in the queue. I'll email HTC and see if they will swap it for one of my other D-25 skins in the next batch.
please not the 35th fg d25 :(
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Well I can't ask for someone else's skin to be removed. I'd also like to keep my RAF D-25 in, but maybe my 404th FG or 78th FG skin could make way for this one.
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Well I can't ask for someone else's skin to be removed. I'd also like to keep my RAF D-25 in, but maybe my 404th FG or 78th FG skin could make way for this one.
Understood, but I can ask. Your 78th D-25 is among the finest skins in the game, I think. And the 404th is a personal favorite eof mine. I'd hate to see either removed.
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Well I can't ask for someone else's skin to be removed. I'd also like to keep my RAF D-25 in, but maybe my 404th FG or 78th FG skin could make way for this one.
Moving that 78th skin out of the que would be personally demoralizing... :( I hold it up as one of the top 5 skins in the entire game.
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I agree, keep the 78th skin. Its my old squad, and I fly that skin with pride!
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I sent HTC an email asking that a vacancy be created by removing one of the 3 French skins. :pray
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I'd also like to keep my RAF D-25 in
definitely keep the RAF skin - its one of the reasons I started flying the D25 :aok
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HTC goes by the quality of the skin not who makes it anyway last I heard.
In fact the whole selling point of allowing a lot of the bad skins in was the notion they would be replaced by better and better skins.
last time i looked every plane in game has 5 or less skins remotely worth using and about 10 others that are a complete waste of texture memory.
I think its more important to add good skins that players want to use regardless of who made them and a lot less important keeping bad skins in rotation often made by players who don't even play anymore.
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Not positive about this, but I don't think more than a handful of skins have been rotated out to make room for a higher quality skin. I think the P-51D has quite a log jam of skins in the rotation queue, and many of them have got to be better than some of those in game.
I assume it's a hassle for HTC to rotate skins out and so they rarely do it, but that's unfortunate because this encourages skinners to rush projects to get them submitted, because the skin rotation queue simply doesn't seem to be moving.
Also, I've wondered whether the log files record the skin used, so that HTC can quantify a skin's popularity in game.
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the whole discussion only came up because greebo is a nice guy and considerate of others. he would rather remove his own hard work and excellent skins than bump someone elses mediocre skin out of the lineup.
my outlook on it is different.
I want every sub par disgusting flourescent blob skin deleted and burned in effigy for wasting space on my hard drive and contaminating my widescreen monitor with neon filth.
Being forced to turn off other plane skins on a top of the line gaming computer due to lag and stutters makes my hatred of said less than excellent skin submissions even more pronounced. That is my opinion.
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the whole discussion only came up because greebo is a nice guy and considerate of others. he would rather remove his own hard work and excellent skins than bump someone elses mediocre skin out of the lineup.
my outlook on it is different.
I want every sub par disgusting flourescent blob skin deleted and burned in effigy for wasting space on my hard drive and contaminating my widescreen monitor with neon filth.
Being forced to turn off other plane skins on a top of the line gaming computer due to lag and stutters makes my hatred of said less than excellent skin submissions even more pronounced. That is my opinion.
Fair enough.^^^^^^ Are you getting back in to skinning? As I have not seen any new additions your work is always welcome & needed as we only have a few people who skin anyway.
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the whole discussion only came up because greebo is a nice guy and considerate of others. he would rather remove his own hard work and excellent skins than bump someone elses mediocre skin out of the lineup.
my outlook on it is different.
I want every sub par disgusting flourescent blob skin deleted and burned in effigy for wasting space on my hard drive and contaminating my widescreen monitor with neon filth.
Being forced to turn off other plane skins on a top of the line gaming computer due to lag and stutters makes my hatred of said less than excellent skin submissions even more pronounced. That is my opinion.
HTC must constantly work to make AH a better game, so removing any of Greebo's skins makes no sense. Taking out any of his skins hurts the game and must not be done, IMO.
Cit, what happened to the Air-a-cutie skin you did? Did it not get accepted for being too racy? I can't think of any other reason why it wouldn't be in game..
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skin more? I am planning on it.
I installed my old outdated photoshop on my new pc so I can get back into it. I have been away from the game for a long time and just recently found enjoyment in it again. my enemies think I never left and my friends are glad to see me again.
HTC is fine with air a cutie type pin up nose art on player made alternate skins they just didn't want it as the default skin for liability rating reasons that could arise.
Air-A-Cutie actually is unfinished. I think its actually a good starter or restarter project I will pick away at. if i remember correctly I was contemplating submitting it as a p39Q and p39D since it was somewhere in between the two models as a p39N i think.
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I did a 51 skin a little while ago, and submitted to Skuzzy, the reply I got was something like "you do know it maybe a year of more before this skin sees its way into AH due to the vast amounts of 51 skins" :(
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If I had my druthers, HTC would rate the skin submissions by overall quality, identifying some skins as so well done (Greebo's and Fester's, for example) as to achieve permanent status - but the rest I would start rotating in skins with every new batch, the highest quality ones first.
I suspect the skinners could look at all the '51 submissions and thin the queue out quite a bit. Factors I would consider are the overall quality of the skin, it's usefulness in the game (is it a squad skin for a currrent AH squad, is it important for scenarios, etc).
Fester I am very glad you are getting back to skinning. There are still some open 38L skin slots - have you thought of doing a 38L?
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If I had my druthers, HTC would rate the skin submissions by overall quality, identifying some skins as so well done (Greebo's and Fester's, for example) as to achieve permanent status - but the rest I would start rotating in skins with every new batch, the highest quality ones first.
I suspect the skinners could look at all the '51 submissions and thin the queue out quite a bit. Factors I would consider are the overall quality of the skin, it's usefulness in the game (is it a squad skin for a currrent AH squad, is it important for scenarios, etc).
Fester I am very glad you are getting back to skinning. There are still some open 38L skin slots - have you thought of doing a 38L?
I suspect, but don't know, that this would be a lot of work for HTC--work that takes them away from other more important things. The key, in my opinion, is that we, the community, make sure that WE screen the skins. WE should be the ones that give very frank feedback if someone posts a horrible skin. Let us be the filter, and make sure that if the skin isn't up to the standard, it doesn't get submitted at all. That means we'd need to be much more picky about how we critique others' works. We should use tact, no doubt, but we can't go and say "nice job" to every skin that hits this forum, because they're aren't all quality work.
Good to see Fester back, and look forward to more skins from him.
My opinion...
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Good thoughts, Stoney.
I'd like it if the skinners could take off as much of the load of work from HTC as possible. I'm not sure every skinner posts pics of their skins here before submitting, though. I think I may have a couple that went straight to HTC, though its a habit of mine to get feedback from this group, especially helpful regarding accuracy - I think I've dumped more than one effort after it was shown the skin I was working on wasn't historically accurate.
Coupla problems though: often, the pics submitted are just promo shots and don't show enough detail in different areas of the skin to give a full evaluation. And even if the skin/skinner gets a thumbs down from the group, there's no practical way to stop them from submitting the skin.
Long ago I had the idea of using lucull's Aces High Skin Department site as the gateway for skin submissions. I thought this was a good idea because it 1) eliminated unreliable email as the method of transporting the skin files, 2) it would provide public knowledge of every skin submission, 3) it included screenshots of the skin so HTC could rule out poor quality or historically inaccurate skins just by looking at the screenshot, and 4) with the addition of several status flags, HTC could let everyone know the status of the skin submission - whether it was (A) Under Review (B) Accepted And In Rotation Queue, (C) Accepted AND Included in Next Skin Batch, (D) Declined - Quality, (E) Declined - Historical Accuracy, or (F) IN-GAME now.
HTC preferred to keep the system inhouse, but I still think using a website to control submissions rather than email is a good idea.
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(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x205/p38fester/p39copy.jpg)
needs more werk on the boobies and weathering n stuff
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Looks good Fester. I'd leave it on the 39D though as there is some suggestion it was a P400 too.
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(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x205/p38fester/p39copy.jpg)
needs more werk on the boobies and weathering n stuff
What about the other side? :devil
I'm with Guppy. I believe it was a P-400.
wrongway
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Love that P-39 Fester, can't beat a bit of skin on a skin I say. :D
I'll not email HTC regarding the 365th P-47, as the general consensus here is that no one wants one of my other skins to make way for it and I'm not going to ask for someone else's skin to get bumped.
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Good thoughts, Stoney.
I'd like it if the skinners could take off as much of the load of work from HTC as possible. I'm not sure every skinner posts pics of their skins here before submitting, though. I think I may have a couple that went straight to HTC, though its a habit of mine to get feedback from this group, especially helpful regarding accuracy - I think I've dumped more than one effort after it was shown the skin I was working on wasn't historically accurate.
Coupla problems though: often, the pics submitted are just promo shots and don't show enough detail in different areas of the skin to give a full evaluation. And even if the skin/skinner gets a thumbs down from the group, there's no practical way to stop them from submitting the skin.
Long ago I had the idea of using lucull's Aces High Skin Department site as the gateway for skin submissions. I thought this was a good idea because it 1) eliminated unreliable email as the method of transporting the skin files, 2) it would provide public knowledge of every skin submission, 3) it included screenshots of the skin so HTC could rule out poor quality or historically inaccurate skins just by looking at the screenshot, and 4) with the addition of several status flags, HTC could let everyone know the status of the skin submission - whether it was (A) Under Review (B) Accepted And In Rotation Queue, (C) Accepted AND Included in Next Skin Batch, (D) Declined - Quality, (E) Declined - Historical Accuracy, or (F) IN-GAME now.
HTC preferred to keep the system inhouse, but I still think using a website to control submissions rather than email is a good idea.
I've always thought it would be interesting if the skins were submitted to a council of sorts of skinners, where they would deliberate what got rotated out/rejected etc., and just submit a list to HTC, so we could see more rotation/quality control with a smaller workload for HTC. Of course there could be some nasty side effects for that but in a perfect world...
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please submit this skin to replace a lesser skin by someone else.
most of the skins on the d25 are from players who do not play anymore so bumping a bad one that is poorly done wouldn't hurt anyone.
been wanting to fly this skin for a long time and am disappointed its still not in game.
there is no similar skin in game thus making it valuable and unique.
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Personally I don't care if the player isn't playing anymore -- I care about the skin itself. It's also not up to him to bump skins, it's up to HTC as you know. They're no longer accepting skins for a number of planes, and have expressed that they do not like removing existing skins from the game due to a couple past "issues" with squads putting up a fuss.
P.S. I agree it's a great skin, just sayin'...
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wow lot of things change when your gone a while.
so busa can submit 15 skins with 1 stripe changed and lock out a new aircraft? etc?
thats gonna go over well when the a6m comes out.
theres so many bad skins that should be replaced that your saying they have immunity because some defunct squad thats no longer around complained?
lol
im not buying any of this because its sounds like bs that rewards crap work thats hastily submitted or cookie cutter skins with little changes that fill up 15 slots.
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I very much agree with your opinions, Fester. I wish there was some way we could change how the skin rotation works. There are so many wonderful skins waiting to be put in game, but will likely never make it due to the way the skin rotation is set up.
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there shouldn't be a rotation.
good skins are supposed to replace bad skins based on skin quality.
if this is no longer possible due to other considerations.
then be warned you are now turning away on multiple occasions work from new people who are very talented and the loss is everyones.
not just one stupid defunct squad with 3 members clinging to an mspaint garbage skin.
take me for example. im a burnout just back with a flicker of rekindled interest in the game. im trying to get myself in gear to get skinning again.
I did a search of multiple skins over the past couple YEARS that i was looking forward to seeing and flying in in game.
the ones whos topics i punted in this forum are for various or unknown but nonetheless unjustified reasons not added to the game.
so the loss is mine now because of this policy?
it would seem so.
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I share the sentiment. There are a number of really impressive looking jugs and ponies that never made it in-game. I think that these specific US planes with 50-odd backlogged skins already accepted are the worst-case example. Take the 190D9 skin you mention in the other thread... That has a much better chance of being rotated in, simply because the backlog of 190D skins is much much smaller.
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i request this skin be submitted to replace 56thfg/62nd fs by Warhound.
(http://www.netaces.org/skins/p47d25/skin4.jpg)
in a contest greebo wins hands down. and there are other 56th fg skins but no 365th fg skins
(http://www.gfg06.dial.pipex.com/screenshots1/365th_FG_P-47D_SC2.jpg)
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i request this skin be submitted to replace 56thfg/62nd fs by Warhound.
(http://www.netaces.org/skins/p47d25/skin4.jpg)
in a contest greebo wins hands down. and there are other 56th fg skins but no 365th fg skins
(http://www.gfg06.dial.pipex.com/screenshots1/365th_FG_P-47D_SC2.jpg)
yes please replace
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+1 on getting Coffee's Pot replacing Rozzie Geth.
HTC, please let Fester at the skin backlog - I bet he could eliminate 90% of the backlog by reviewing and rejecting submitted skins. Listen to his suggestions regarding skin replacement candidates.
Turn this guy loose and let him break up the logjam!