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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: gatt on November 03, 2000, 05:21:00 PM
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(http://web.tiscalinet.it/gatt/N1K2-Hellcat.jpg)
Its a screenshot converted from a 3,5MByte .bmp to an 80Kbyte .jpg, so you can easily imagine how beautiful was the original pic. <EDIT> The Hellcat pilot was so kind to close the canopy after bailing out ... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) <EDIT> Waiting for the Hellcat ....
[This message has been edited by gatt (edited 11-04-2000).]
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Don't tell me that Hellcat was remotely flown, it has no pilot and canopy is still closed (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Hmm.. it has quite many 20mm hits, if those are it by the n1k itself... it still has its engine running and wings.. oh.. it has stabilizers too.
though, that big hole in the cockpit area looks nasty for the pilot.
I wonder how many planes fighters in AH has flown with such many N1K2 hits (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Hispano AP round must be doing 10 times larger holes, if that isn't enough with 20mm yet...
[This message has been edited by Fishu (edited 11-03-2000).]
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Easy Fishu- the Hellcat pilot was merely ducking down in his cavernous cockpit!
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BTW, I have CFS2, and it is a great offline game (with the Wells modifications to FM).
...and Fishu, let's try to keep one thread lighthearted, shall we? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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As much fun as that game (Sim) is, I still think the carrier landings (after being somewhat shot-up) are the best feature. I can't wait for AH 1.05!
The only prob with CFS2 is the stoooopid wingmen `Engage my target'...`Can't comply', `I'm already engaged', `No can do'...and watch as you dogfight 6 Zekes in your Wildcat and your wingmen wallow around aimlessly.....then hit the rejoin key and let the zeke trying to get on your six get the `aimless AI wingmen'..hehe.
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<<Don't tell me that Hellcat was remotely flown, it has no pilot and canopy is still closed>>
The Hellcat pilot may be down in the lounge area with one of the stewardesses. I'm sure he'll be back in a bit.
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In my opinion that is the best screen shot from CFS II I've seen yet. Fantastic detail!
-Westy
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That Zeke is clearly overmodeled, there's no way it could have survived that long against the UBER hellcat. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Hamish!
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Great shot! Wish I could've stolen it, as I had all the trouble in the world getting screenshots from CFS2, and with a deadline hanging over my neck I'd have taken anything (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif). Unfortunately, or luckily perhaps, I already sent the review in. Started the computer one day, and it just worked, for no reason whatsoever. Oh well (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
Oh, and the absence of a pilot is easily explained. The mighty N1K 20mm hit the cockpit and totally disintegrated him (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
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Rickenbacker (Ricken)
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the Independent Swedish Air Force
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Fishu,
I took 10+ hits from a N1K2 while flying a Spitfire MkIX and only suffered a pilot wound and damage to my oil or radiator. After the N1K2 went down the pilot said something to the effect of "That was one TOUGH Spit". (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
It is possible to take quite a few hits, but it doesn't hapen very often.
In CFS2 I would wager that they have generic skins for different damage levels.
Sisu
-Karnak
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Waaaaaaaaay OT, almost as bad as that idiot who started an F-104 thread!
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Originally posted by Karnak:
Fishu,
I took 10+ hits from a N1K2 while flying a Spitfire MkIX and only suffered a pilot wound and damage to my oil or radiator. After the N1K2 went down the pilot said something to the effect of "That was one TOUGH Spit". (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
It is possible to take quite a few hits, but it doesn't hapen very often.
In CFS2 I would wager that they have generic skins for different damage levels.
Sisu
-Karnak
I've met and I've flown often tough spits..
if you don't hit its stabilizer, it takes alot hits (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
wonders me though.. with cannons you can shoot about every plane as much as the another.. ive shot zeke (And that has hardly any armour) over 10 times with 20mm and still flew (and died to other guys, but i got credits)
p47 goes down like zeke and other way around (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) (funny eh?)
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Funked (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif),
well it was a post just to remind we are still waiting for th emighty Hellcat. Only GOD knows how she will perform against the N1K2.
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GATT
4° Stormo Caccia - Knights (http://www.4stormo.it)
Macchi C.202's sting (1,9MByte film) (http://web.tiscalinet.it/gatt/breda.avi)
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Originally posted by gatt:
Funked (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif),
well it was a post just to remind we are still waiting for th emighty Hellcat. Only GOD knows how she will perform against the N1K2.
I'd really like to express my feelings and what I am expecting about it...
but well.. something tells me to shut up until I get to try it first.
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With your well-known predisposition for anti-American thinking I am quite certain the Hellcat is in for an unbiased review... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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fishu's mother was frightened by an "ugly American" tourist when he was just a baby. His mother dropped young fishu on his head. It flattened the point but... stunted all mental growth and left a deep rooted hate for all things American.
lazs
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Gatt I think the F6F will be a nice snack for the N1K2 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Saved that pic as my Wallpaper . Beautifully done .
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Cut the crap about me.
kieren, 'anti-american' is quite harshly said... even for a joke...
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I wasn't joking.
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Completely unrelated to the topic but here goes: How do you get a picture in your posts? I know that this is a really dumb question but had to ask...
BTW like the screenshot (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Originally posted by Kieren:
I wasn't joking.
Thanks alot then, I thought you were smarter guy.
so.. what the hell makes me anti-american? that theres bunch of US stuff coming and I'd like to see one foreign one too?
Or that I happend to like P-47 and P-40?
geez.. I must be a terrorist also then... thanks alot!
I surely aren't anti-american... (or am I anti-british as well?)
and if you didn't know.. I am waiting to get to try F6F, because it will be first fully .50 caliber armed plane that has some chance in a dogfight, other than run away after two rounds.
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Originally posted by tssfka:
Completely unrelated to the topic but here goes: How do you get a picture in your posts? I know that this is a really dumb question but had to ask...
You have to upload the pic to your own webspace, then you link it in your post with the img tag. Hit reply on Gatt's original post to check out how the actual tag link looks.
SOB
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Originally posted by Fishu:
Thanks alot then, I thought you were smarter guy.
so.. what the hell makes me anti-american? that theres bunch of US stuff coming and I'd like to see one foreign one too?
Or that I happend to like P-47 and P-40?
geez.. I must be a terrorist also then... thanks alot!
I surely aren't anti-american... (or am I anti-british as well?)
and if you didn't know.. I am waiting to get to try F6F, because it will be first fully .50 caliber armed plane that has some chance in a dogfight, other than run away after two rounds.
hmmm-- struck a nerve. That generally happens when a weakness or a truth is found out (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Originally posted by -ammo-:
hmmm-- struck a nerve. That generally happens when a weakness or a truth is found out (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
I don't go insult people directly unless they really go for it themself first.. so I am not going to listen insults either without a reason. (and Kieren surely had no reason to do that!)
Whatever you think, but I am oldish with this matter.
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Whatever my personal feelings are, I was wrong to post that opinion on the BBS. I apologize to you for that, Fishu.
No need to turn a positive thread ugly, and I am guilty of doing that. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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Ricken,
I'm writing down a CFS2 review as well. I've got plenty of beautiful screenshots. Tell me if you want them (hires 1280x1024 and 32bit color). I can zip and send in a few hours.
Anyway, if you like AcesHigh, WarBirds, EAW and MigAlley ... then DONT buy CFS2. Someone said: "She's a pretty gal, just a tad light on the brains department" in other words she's got the "Dumb Blonde syndrome".
[This message has been edited by gatt (edited 11-06-2000).]
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Hmmm... I do like AH and WB but Mig Alley laste d about 5 minutes on my HD. Did I miss something?
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lynx
13 Sqn RAF
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Hmmm, I'm afraid we are way off topic now. PYRO, time to move this thread into the 'O CLUB.
Anyway, IMHO, MigAlley is a good offline sim and has the best (or less stupid) artificial intelligence around.
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GATT
4° Stormo Caccia - Knights (http://www.4stormo.it)
Macchi C.202's sting (1,9MByte film) (http://web.tiscalinet.it/gatt/breda.avi)
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Hero mig-15s are smarter than 95% of people i have played online. I can only beat them 50% of the time in a sabre 1on1.
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Gatt,
I think Funked is right.
The N1K2 is a built Hellcat killer, almost as much as the Hellcat is a built Zero killer. I don't think that it is on nearly the same scale as the A6M2 vs. F4F, but it will still be bad for the American pilot.
When Hellcat pilots first encountered N1Ks, they reported that they were doing turns and maneuvers that seemed impossible. Sound familiar?
There is one account of a 12 Hellcats encountering single N1K2 off the coast of Japan in 1945. The two sides proceeded to have it out with the end result of the N1K2 shooting down 4 Hellcats before executing a successful disengage.
Unfortunately for the Hellcat, the Hellcat killer is already present in AH. This is also unfortunate for the players who like diversity as it will probably mean that the Hellcat will be a relatively rare sight.
Sisu
-Karnak
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I doubt that Karnak!
I am willing to bet the F6 will be of average popularity. Its airbrake will permit some lovely dives onto the 6 of a maneuvering bandit, it should also be a pretty good divebomber as well.
It will also take alot of punishment as well.
SKurj
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Originally posted by Karnak:
Fishu,
I took 10+ hits from a N1K2 while flying a Spitfire MkIX and only suffered a pilot wound and damage to my oil or radiator. After the N1K2 went down the pilot said something to the effect of "That was one TOUGH Spit". (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Sisu
-Karnak
Karnak, was that in H2H... because if so, that might have been me! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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??? The F6F had an airbrake?
-Westy
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I guess the combination of deployed split-flaps and locked-gear would make a pretty good air brake. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
- Jig
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CC! Just as long as it's not an AW "speed brake" (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
-Westy
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ispar,
It was in the MA.
If you mean "Was it done in head ons", then yes, you might be the guy.
Sisu
-Karnak
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Karnak:
Unfortunately for the Hellcat, the Hellcat killer is already present in AH. This is also unfortunate for the players who like diversity as it will probably mean that the Hellcat will be a relatively rare sight.
Hopefully that won't be the case. Pyro said that as part of the new perk system, kills made by the popular "uber" planes won't count nearly as much as a kill by an average plane, thus insuring diversity in the main arena... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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If the N1K1 doesn't eat the F6F for lunch, then something is wrong, I can only think of one aspect that the F6F would be better in, that would be a slight edge in turn radius..the N1K1 should out-accelerate, out climb, *possibly* outdive? (not sure here)..
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Of course that is assuming same skill pile-its in both the "Niki" and the F6F. Otherwise, you're absolutley right.
-Westy
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I am not ready to concede defeat to the Nikki just yet.
The Hellcat should take a beating and still fly. It won't climb as fast, but it should have a better roll and high-speed handling. The major difference will be in its snapshot killing ability. In short, it will be the guns, not the planes that decide the outcome. If the Hellcat can avoid the snaps it should be even, anyway.
A little warning to everyone; every single plane released (at least, in my memory) has been tweaked downward somewhere along the line. If that trend holds the Hellcat will be an uber ride early, and the skies will definitely be "blue". There will be the cries of "American bias", and the fm will get its adjustment. Then and only then will the fm be considered final.
The above is merely an observation of recent history. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Don't forget to mention those cries about Fw190A5 and 109 in the past.
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F6 supposedly a great diver is it not?
SKurj
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Fortunately, the FMs have only been adjusted when numbers clearly show that something is off rather than on the basis of who whines most (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif). So I'd not call it de-ubering or such rather than "streamlining the FMs" or something like that (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
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"The wolves are gathering, the stars are shifting...
come, join us in the hunt!"
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Originally posted by SKurj:
F6 supposedly a great diver is it not?
SKurj
If my memory works at all.. I say it is good diver but not 'great diver'
Now... if I remember right
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Yes, to be clearer, the Fw and 109 should be included. What I meant to convey was how the process goes, not that complaining about the fm was wrong.
It seems that the planes are close to right at first, then get a final tweaking is my meaning. In the interim you get a brief period of "super plane", regardless of nationality. The reason I took the route I took was because it is an American plane in this release.
There certainly were issues with the Fw- and P38, P47, etc. There may well still be issues. I guess what I would point out is that the Hellcat will undergo revision after its release just like most other aircraft have, so the hue and cry will come, mark my words. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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IMHO, IF the Hellcat FM is modeled correctly, meaning "historically correct", it will be a near even match with the Niki. When the Royal Navy did flight tests, the Hellcat gave the Spit V fits in the turns.
It was not the best in any one category, but it was good in all of them, in short, a well rounded aircraft capable of a multitude of tasks.
The Niki is helped in AH by the engines not being as unreliable as they were in RL. Read somewhere that their "in commission" rate was terrible, like only 25% of the planes were airworthy at any one time? Will find that text again and post it.
I agree with Kieren, seems that the Yank planes have been "downgraded" each time due to other pilots complaining about them.
American planes, especially the Jug, F4U, and F6F, were widely known to take a hell of a beating and still get their pilot home.
The Niki, in the hands of a "great" pilot, should give Hellcat pilots fits. But the average pilot in a Niki, if the FM's are even near correct, will be in deep toejam if he finds a Hellcat on him. A victory for the Niki in said situation would depend on the Hellcat guy screwing up badly.
But this is just my opinion.
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Originally posted by SKurj:
F6 supposedly a great diver is it not?
SKurj
so is the P-47, but I have been caught by N1k's in dives in it.