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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: JB88 on August 19, 2009, 11:56:08 PM
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compassionate grounds?!
:furious
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,540882,00.html?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a16:g2:r2:c0.033583:b27250644:z0 (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,540882,00.html?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a16:g2:r2:c0.033583:b27250644:z0)
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lol :rofl
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compassionate grounds?!
:furious
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,540882,00.html?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a16:g2:r2:c0.033583:b27250644:z0 (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,540882,00.html?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a16:g2:r2:c0.033583:b27250644:z0)
Why not? The guy took the fall, all in the name of Daddy Kaffi and the western need for oil over justice.
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Western energy companies — including Britain's BP PLC — have moved into Libya in an effort to tap the country's vast oil and gas wealth.
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^ nothing to do with it. early release on compassionate grounds is a "feature" of Scottish Law.
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They should let the SOB suffer with the cancer and die in prison.
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They should let the SOB suffer with the cancer and die in prison.
+1
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Having watched someone die of cancer over a period of almost 2 years, the illness is punishment enough.
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Having watched someone die of cancer over a period of almost 2 years, the illness is punishment enough.
Not with that cup cake who show NO remorse for killing 270 people and the suffer of families saw no justice at all. just wait, a year from now he is still alive and doing well.
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Why should he die with his family? 270 people were ripped away from life, and everything they love and the guy responsible gets to play the "im sick" card. I say find the darkest cell in some 3rd world country, throw him in, and toss the key.
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word.
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That's just great.
He'll be hailed a hero.
The scum terrorists win again.
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find the darkest cell in some 3rd world country, throw him in,
well they got that bit right at least :P
btw: "The law is an ass"
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Aww no. MR. "Q" is an ally now.
Boy if anyone thinks a rouge Libyan intelligance agent took out a 747 without an ok from up high... :huh
Big oil understands how the world works tho. And that if you print it most will believe it.
Questions? See below.
"The bigger the Lie the more they believe".
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Fly him home but don't land. Just push him out the door and toss a parachute after him. About 5 seconds later should do it.
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I agree let him die in jail , its better for all involved . IMO :salute
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I change my mind:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/22/world/europe/22lockerbie.html?_r=1&hp (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/22/world/europe/22lockerbie.html?_r=1&hp)
(http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2009/08/21/world/21lockerbie.1-500.jpg)
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Yea, I think it is time to assassinate the SOB.
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Bit of an odd 1 this saga.
If you recall the Lockerbie bombing was widely suspected to be revenge for an American warship shooting down a Libyan airlines 3 or 6 month earlier. Mistaken identity was sighted and I'm sure compensation was swiftly awarded. It was all very suspect as to why this occurred.
Two so called "rogue" agents were arrested after Lockerbie with only 1 convicted. Doing time for being a criminal or perhaps a patriot, maybe both. Some of the victims relatives disagree with his guilty verdict. Some requesting the his appeals bear fruit so's they get to the real deal. Which IMO would never happen.
Libya hands them over, pays the compo, abandons nuke research and to a degree starts to tow the line.
Big oil claimers to get it's greedy mits into Libya. Libya stands to get big kick backs and a roll on the word stage again.
The guy convicted has months to live and abandons any appeals to clear his name. Compassion levied and returns home.
Was he a criminal or just doing his job? Who knows? One things for sure the relatives of the victims on BOTH airlines ain't getting anything near what Libya and big oil will make out of their deaths.
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I'm pretty sure the guy is a scapegoat and the conviction unsafe, but thats a matter for the appeal process.
The most worrying thing about this whole affair is the release on compassionate grounds. The rest of the world finds it bewildering that a guy who has been convicted of murdering 270 people should be given any compassion.
The people of the UK also find it bewildering, and even more worrying for us is that its sympomatic of a legal system which doesnt represent the public interest. Most people agree that we have a pretty decent system when it comes to arrest and conviction, however the sentencing and parole part of the equation is a very bad joke. Earlier this year Ronnie Biggs was released on compassionate grounds having finally served 10 years of a 30 year sentence for armed robbery (having escaped and evaded capture for 35 years.) If you dont want to die in jail, dont commit the crime.
Sentencing is also sickeningly lenient. Attack and kill a stranger? and youll get 6-8 years (of which youll serve 4-6). Beat your 3yr old child to death? youll get 10-12 years (of which youll serve 8-10). Rape? chances are you'll get a fixed penalty. Plus you'll serve your sentence in prison conditions which are for the most part indistinguishable from a decent business travellers motel. And politicians from all sides wonder what we can do about rising crime :rolleyes:
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Those are some important thoughts RTHolmes. I think it's helpful to distinguish the 3 alternating goals of punishment that come in and out of fashion:
1. Incarcerate the criminal because he deserves it.
2. Incarcerate the criminal to reform him and improve him.
3. Incarcerate the criminal to protect society.
Which one are we working with here? What troubles me is that none of these approaches has ever done a wit to prevent future crime. The UK seems to take approach #2 more than the USA; #1 and #3 are the more popular approaches here.
I think the motivation for releasing a criminal on compassionate grounds is high mindedness. It's a demonstration that although harm has occurred, the society is above resentment and is ready to move on. In this particular case, the criminal is no longer a threat to society, there's no point in reforming him because he'll be a dead in a number of months, and punishing him further would be punishment for its own sake.
Where they really screwed up, and where I was naive, is in predicting how the release would be perceived in Lybia. I'm going to be blunt: Scotland looks foolish. What Scotland believed it was doing out of high mindedness the Lybians seem to perceive as weakness or even an outright pardon.
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Looks like FBI director Robert Mueller is not happy about the release...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/8216122.stm
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Interested in telling Kenny Macaskill your pleasure or displeasure at his decision and how it will affect your future trips to Scotland? His email address is: kenny.macaskill.msp@scottish.parliament.uk
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I take my earlier post back. They should have sent him home in an unmanned target drone with a bomb in it, then blew up the bomb at 20,000 feet over the Libyan capital.
:mad:
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what happened to the person who authorised the acidental shooting down of the Iranian passenger jet by the US warship?
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what happened to the person who authorised the acidental shooting down of the Iranian passenger jet by the US warship?
What happened to the Iraqi pilot that attacked the USS Stark?
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What happened to the Iraqi pilot that attacked the USS Stark?
probley got shot down in the 1st gulf war :)
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what happened to the person who authorised the acidental shooting down of the Iranian passenger jet by the US warship?
I must say I got my stories mixed up. The Iranian airliner incident had NOTHING to do with lockerbie. Nothing but my mistake for linking the incidence's together.
Having briefly looked into the lockerbie stuff it seems it's suspected to relate to the past tentions and bombing of Libya with US forces bases in England at the time. The UK would have given it's permission to use it's airspace for an act of aggression.
My apologies...to many beers
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655
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Having watched someone die of cancer over a period of almost 2 years, the illness is punishment enough.
Then they should keep this guy hooked up alive and ill as long as possible.
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According to the US government, the crew mistakenly identified the Iranian Airbus A300 as an attacking F-14 Tomcat fighter.
:huh
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I read in the papers today, that its suspected that the reason why they released him was because britain wanted secure oil and gas contracts..and talks had been as far back as when tony blair was in power, which is one of the reasons why the british goverment remained so silent on the subject. thats accordig to the news paper, so we dont know how true it is.
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All governments are at it, even US.
Some of the biggest untapped oil reserves are near the Afgan Borders, that's strange is it not?
In regards to releasing terrorists we have realeased Irish terrorists we never heard any complaints then did we!
They blew my windows out in the 90's and killed two children outside mcdonalds with a bomb on mothers day!
Any terrorists who are caught should go missing in transit.
As a Englishman I apologise for the Scottish parliament and Our Scottish Prime Minister.
My thoughts are with those who have suffered at the hands of terrorists
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Is this thread ended now?
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and talks had been as far back as when tony blair was in power,
I suspect Tony B. struck a deal with George B, that the US must drop any objections against lifting sanctions against Lybia if the UK were to commit any Military assets to Iraq and Afghanistan.
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I suspect the IRA struck a deal with George Bush if US would invest X amount in Ireland
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another example of our ludicrous sentencing: beat a pensioner to death with a plank of wood? 6yrs (probably released after ~4yrs):
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cornwall/8224363.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cornwall/8224363.stm)
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I HATE all liberals they make me puke!
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I dont see how liberalism is relevant here, imo the reason for progressively shorter sentences is simply a lack of funding for the prison service and a reluctance to admit that law and order is in decline.
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No compasion for killers.