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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Citabria on October 17, 2001, 10:04:00 AM
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its clear by the usage of primarily the spit9 and n1k2 tht a vast majority of players in Aces High are very fond of flying a competant turn fighter instead of a fast E fighter or B&z machine. this is evidenced by the fact that the hurri2c is actually a pretty damn good airplane in the AH arena in a furball. in 1.09 HTC needs to add more good turn fighters to attempt to decrease the monopoly the spit and n1k2 have on this area of dogfighting and usage.
airplanes such as
Ki84
ki44
f4f4
p40
a6m3-22
a6m3-32
a6m2
and even 109e4
stuff that turns great and has great guns
[ 10-17-2001: Message edited by: Citabria ]
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I didnt add the ki43 to the list seeing as how the c202 gets no use the ki43 would suffer similar cannon envy problems
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I'd fly Ki43, and/or F4F-3.
Whichever I get first. I don't need cannons, those are for guys with small members..
-SW
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FM-2.
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Brewster Buffalo, A36 Apache and The B pony with the GOOD engine.
And now that the Mossie is here, how about a level bomber version of it with a bombsight..
AND the A26A Invader, give all the buff jocks wet dreams. :D
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Originally posted by SWulfe:
I'd fly Ki43, and/or F4F-3.
If we get them and you're flying Knight, I'll wing with you in the Wildcat. I might actually not suck by then! :D
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Respectfully,
No few planes, let's cure the ones we got. Glass-tailed P-38, etc etc.
Thank you
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Sounds good Citabria.
Ki-44 will turn about like a 190 though.
But I still want it. :)
Ki-43 is the turn champ of the Japanese.
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ki100 would be a good one, a modification of the already added ki61 wiht a new nose/canopy and paint etc
ki43 with cannon option would be very good if any significant number existed
perhaps ki43 II or ki43 III?
the early zeks, especially the a6m3-22 would turn much better than the spit5 and better than the heavy and armored a6m5 but would be easy to set on fire
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and a nice lightwieght p38J painted olive drab :)
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Ugh.. just what we need more dweebs fighting in circles until one of them gets dizzie and crashes. :D
[ 10-17-2001: Message edited by: Am0n ]
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Fester, I don't believe any Ki43 had cannons.
The last model I know of- Ki43IIb- had 2x12.7mm MGs mounted in the nose. Not sure of the ammo load out.
If you know that there were cannon armed models, which model was it? It must of been a III model, but I really don't know.
Also, the IIb is a pretty quick aircraft (speed wise). It's faster than the A6M5b we have right now.
-SW
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109 Emil would rock my world :)
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About the best pure "Turn and Burn" plane left is the Ki-100.
But I don't think it would be very popular due to its very low max speed(360mph). Its basically slower and heavier wing loaded (ie generally turns worse) than its predecessor, the earlier Ki-61-Ib that we already have.
How many Ki-61's do you see? I was actually shocked to see one in a fight yesterday, till I killed the guy and realized that he was very new.
The Two planes that would appeal to that crowd and still fit into our arena reasonably are the Ki84 and the Spit XIV.
The Ki84 would be a N1K2-J with an extra 20mph. It would be very popular, but I don't think it should be perked.
The Spit XIV, depending on whose interpretations of its abilities you believe, would range from merely very good ;) , to having 90% of the arena population flying it. My bet is that it would be a perk plane, but maybe not. It will definitely make all the current Spit IX fans drool and rub their hands together.
All the other planes mentioned while fun and capable in their own time periods, or scenarios/special events, but would not contribute much to the main arena.
Oh I did forget the Yak-3, but it would perform very similarly to the existing Yak-9U, and I figure very few people could tell the difference in the performance of the two.
[ 10-17-2001: Message edited by: Vermillion ]
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109 e-4 or e-7
fm-2
ki-43
ki-84 or ki-100 would cause a drop the usage for the n1k2 which would suck the niki is a heap of perks flying around.
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peashooter
brewster buffalo
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Sean D. Tucker's 1-800-COLLECT plane???
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Brewster Model 239.
Give me one good reason why not? :)
Camo
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How about the A46 CAC Boomerang?
Would give us Aussies a unique little turnfighter. It could duel with Camo's Brewster. :)
Seriously though, look here (http://www.raafmuseum.com.au/research/aircraft/a2series/boom.htm) for a description.
It has two hispanos and four .303 brownings. :cool:
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Buffalo Buffalo Buffalo ....I want it too!
Jarbo
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Did someone say F4F? I'll join that formation if ever introduced.
Also, the P51B with the "good" engine? What does it have now and what would be the difference??
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Good thread.
I like to fly in C202.
Riding Classical plane is fun.
I really want Ki-43-III-a for some reasons.
it's fastest model than any other Ki-43s (560km/h at 5,850m).
it has best climb performance in any Ki-43s (5'19" to 5,000m).
2 12.7mm MGs are enough to kill, it's not impossible to kill enemy. :)
Fester, Ki-43-III-b had 2 Ho-5 Cannons on nose, but only 2 Ki-43-III-b were produced, and Nakajima is not mass-produced it.
I can send any Ki-43's paints, 3 views, interior photos, flap mechanism, and info to HTC. :)
Mitsu
P.S
Vermillion,
Yes, Ki-100 is heavier wing loaded than Ki-61-I-b, but it removed "heavy" liquid cooled engine, and tail's weight balance. so it would be surely better than Ki-61-I-KAIc...
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My wish list of new TnB planes in next version(japanese planes):
Ki-43-III-a
Ki-100-I-b
Ki-61-I-b (with different paint scheme)
Ki-61-II (for out-running from nik <g> )
If HTC is god, I wanna see them too. :D
Ki-44-II-b
Ki-84-I-a
Ki-102-I-b
Mitsu
[ 10-17-2001: Message edited by: Mitsu ]
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its clear by the usage of primarily the spit9 and n1k2 tht a vast majority of players in Aces High are very fond of flying a competant turn fighter instead of a fast E fighter or B&z machine.
I wonder... in fact do newer players prefer turn fighters because everyone thinks that a classic "dogfight" is the most fun and or realistic WWII combat? It's not imo, or realistic for that matter.
I used to get infuriated 109's would zoom down and pop shot me, extending, repeat. I think Santa drove me to a G10, and then finally till I tried the 190A8. After a bit of a learning curve with Central, the bulb finally went on.
Stable BnZ planes are in fact easier to fly, and Ive said it before with much argument from ironically the LW crowd. Granted it takes a bit of planning and patience, but I can't see how that learning curve is any worse than ACM in fast dizzying tight turn fights. Once you get the 190A8 fingered out, Dora baby!
So I would hope some new players would opt to try and BnZ with more experienced players showing them the ropes.
No wait, less of all these new TnB planes to kill? Nevermind.
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What mako said.....Bring on the CAC Boomerang! :)
Would also love to see the Buffalo, p-40, and that olive drab '38
<S> Blue
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From what I know The Ki100 is lighter than the Ki61. Its only worse than the late Ki61s in top speed. It did everything else better. especially climb and overall manouverability. A wartime IJA test showed a Ki100 with a competant pilot could easily fight against 2 captured P51s flown by equally skilled pilots.
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After solving v1.08 problems, I want to hear Pyro's comment about this topic. :)
Mitsu
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109 Emil would rock my world
Mine too :D
I agree with you on the easyness of BnZ planes above turn fighters for rookies Creamo (IF they have the patience)
For those who prefer to fly LW planes though it's hard to do base defense in the current 190's and 109's (109F4, is not too bad). And I up a a6m to do base defense because we don't have an Emil. Upping from a adjacent base in the current 109's and 190's to get them up to speed and some alt is not always an option (especially with the current base capture setup). I never understood why we have the Spit V but don't have the 109E variants.
[ 10-18-2001: Message edited by: Apar1 ]
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S!
Guys who love to turn and burn actually need the IL-16 type 24.
Wing loading of 24 lb/Sq. Ft.
Monster size ailerons for wing area
1000 hp Radial engine
2 20mm cannon in nose
Top speed of 324mph at S.L. (Quite a bit slower at higher alts due to complete lack of supercharging)
This manic little bumble bee of a plane would make believers out of a lot of Spit drivers.
Brewster Buffalos pilots in the Finnish Air Force were cautioned not to turnfight with this plane. They were told to B&Z it, lol.
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S!
Oh, forgot to mention....
It's open cockpit. :)
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Ki43!!!
Allso Ki100 would be great :)
Not that I'd fly em much, much rather prefer my fast Luftwaffe iron :)
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Originally posted by Bluedog:
What mako said.....Bring on the CAC Boomerang! :)
Would also love to see the Buffalo, p-40, and that olive drab '38
<S> Blue
Bit bloody slow the Boomerang weren't it?
Hand over the Aussie marked P-40E/N, but then I wouldn't call it a big classic TnB...
Tronski
[ 10-18-2001: Message edited by: -tronski- ]
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more airplanes of 1939/41 and real 109 K4 too
(oh, I need slats an MW50/GM1 in 109 present)
Saludos
Supongo
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The Oscar would be nice, and although the best turner of them all (well, not counting the Nate), not a fast killer, hehe
Spit 1 or 2 as well, ot hurry1 or 2a.
And how about P-36. ;)
Which brings also into this 1st generation discussion, planes like, ahem,,,,the Galdiator, etc, etc.
:D I like the idea
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verm hit it... In the current planeset there are very few planes that can be added.. they have to be fast and they have to have cannon. creamo explained why for those in a daze.
We need a seperate area in the arena for the very early war planes or don't even bother introducing them. We have a WWII ac simulation that has no a6m2 or spi/hurri one or f4f or p40 or p39 or mig one or 109e or.... Am I the only wone who misses those planes or sees that they would be cannon fodder in the current arena?
lazs
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Why not release an early war set of, say, ten planes, i.e. I-15, I-16, I-153, Gloster Gladiator, Ki-27, Claude, PZL11C, etc. and have an early war MA? Once the early war plane set gets built up so that it can be "mated" to the regular MA, just squish everything together. Oh yeah - if there is an early war MA, they should also stick in some early war bombers and CAS planes like the Blenheim, Do 17, Battle Bomber, Hs 123, etc.
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seperate arenas have not worked in the past. A look at the CT numbers will point that out.
In an "area" arena you would have instant access to any "area" and kniow what was going on in all the areas. You could fly from a field in an area that suited your mood so far as action, plane choice, etc.
lazs
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I want more of those "Ki" thingys too! And what about one of those soviet bi-planes? Called "Tjajka" (Seagull) or something. Would be the ultimate turner and IT HAS 4 WINGS TO LOOSE :D (2x combat efficacy and survival rate) !!!
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BigUC
(But most of all I want my Ju-87)