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Title: Top Fighter Ranking vs. Plane Used
Post by: Slade on August 22, 2009, 11:05:39 AM
Hello,

On the Aces High website front page every month the "Top Fighter Ranking" is displayed.  Has anyone ever won this that was not predominantly in one of these planes: BF-109k4, LA7, Spit16, Tempest, F4U-4 (other perk planes)?

Just wondering if a pilot ever won this great honor using a midwar (BF-109g2 etc.) plane?


Thanks,

Slade
Title: Re: Top Fighter Ranking vs. Plane Used
Post by: Strip on August 22, 2009, 11:10:07 AM
Just wondering if a pilot ever won this great honor using a midwar (BF-109g2 etc.) plane?

I must admit I laughed at both ends of that question.....

A lot of people dont consider it a great honor due to the increasingly dishonorable methods of achieving it. Truthfully, some of the best pure fighter sticks have never ranked top 50 much less top five. As far as the 109G2, I doubt it but its certainly possible, tho exceedingly unlikely.

Strip
Title: Re: Top Fighter Ranking vs. Plane Used
Post by: Anaxogoras on August 22, 2009, 11:13:05 AM
Steve did it in the P-51D, and possibly without trying for it. :lol

Anyway, getting a high fighter rank is more about SA and choosing your engagements carefully than flying skill.  I've gotten a high fighter rank before (top ten) just to see if I could, but I'm nothing special.
Title: Re: Top Fighter Ranking vs. Plane Used
Post by: Lusche on August 22, 2009, 11:15:16 AM
On the Aces High website front page every month the "Top Fighter Ranking" is displayed.  Has anyone ever won this that was not predominantly in one of these planes: BF-109k4, LA7, Spit16, Tempest, F4U-4 (other perk planes)?

Yes.

Title: Re: Top Fighter Ranking vs. Plane Used
Post by: Slade on August 22, 2009, 11:19:28 AM
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Yes.

What was the plane?
Title: Re: Top Fighter Ranking vs. Plane Used
Post by: Anaxogoras on August 22, 2009, 11:21:55 AM
What was the plane?

I just gave you an example.
Title: Re: Top Fighter Ranking vs. Plane Used
Post by: Slade on August 22, 2009, 11:23:27 AM
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I just gave you an example.

Thanks.  Is the P-51d a midware plane?
Title: Re: Top Fighter Ranking vs. Plane Used
Post by: Lusche on August 22, 2009, 11:24:34 AM
All kind of planes. In the last few tours, I remember Spit VIII (thrila), Spit IX (tonyjoey), P-38J (ice)

If you are that interested in that question, you can easily check it out yourself with the "top 50 player" scorepage.
Title: Re: Top Fighter Ranking vs. Plane Used
Post by: Anaxogoras on August 22, 2009, 11:24:39 AM
Oh, sorry.  I just gave the P-51D as an example because it's not one of the planes you mentioned and it's not perked, but it is late war.
Title: Re: Top Fighter Ranking vs. Plane Used
Post by: Anaxogoras on August 22, 2009, 11:33:17 AM
Mid-war planes that you could get top fighter in might be:

Spit VIII
Spit IX (though more difficult than the VIII because you can hardly disengage from anything)
F4U-1A
P-38J
La-5 (if you're a great shot)

The 109G-2 is competitive in late war, but it doesn't have the firepower or ammunition load to kill quickly enough to give you top fighter rank, unless you're some kind of savant.  The 109G-6 is a little better on the firepower side, but then it's more difficult to disengage if you need to.
Title: Re: Top Fighter Ranking vs. Plane Used
Post by: shreck on August 22, 2009, 01:25:51 PM
It would be nice if AH would make some planes "fighter only" and some "Attack only" Get rid of dual roll altogether for scoring purposes!  :aok

 Now get ready for the cries!!!   :rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: Top Fighter Ranking vs. Plane Used
Post by: Slade on August 22, 2009, 01:28:30 PM
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Get rid of dual roll altogether for scoring purposes only!

That idea has its merits.  :aok
Title: Re: Top Fighter Ranking vs. Plane Used
Post by: CAP1 on August 22, 2009, 01:29:42 PM
What was the plane?

it;s that thingie with wings, and a rudder. it has a big loud spinny thing up front, and multiple bangie things in the wings....... :noid
Title: Re: Top Fighter Ranking vs. Plane Used
Post by: Bosco123 on August 22, 2009, 01:31:31 PM
TJ wins it with a spit9
Title: Re: Top Fighter Ranking vs. Plane Used
Post by: grizz441 on August 22, 2009, 01:37:10 PM
I got it last tour with a Me163...  :lol
Title: Re: Top Fighter Ranking vs. Plane Used
Post by: Anaxogoras on August 22, 2009, 02:01:56 PM
I got it last tour with a Me163...  :lol

I thought I saw a lot of 163 whines on 200 last tour. :P
Title: Re: Top Fighter Ranking vs. Plane Used
Post by: TonyJoey on August 22, 2009, 02:39:49 PM
Won 3 or so, so far, with only Spit9 for fighter.
Title: Re: Top Fighter Ranking vs. Plane Used
Post by: Bosco123 on August 22, 2009, 04:11:38 PM
<----35 in a G14
Title: Re: Top Fighter Ranking vs. Plane Used
Post by: Scotch on August 22, 2009, 04:13:28 PM
I got it last tour with a Me163...  :lol

He also wears dresses.
Title: Re: Top Fighter Ranking vs. Plane Used
Post by: Grind on August 22, 2009, 04:22:26 PM
and he wears them way too short!...... :D
Title: Re: Top Fighter Ranking vs. Plane Used
Post by: Steve on August 22, 2009, 04:22:47 PM
Won 3 or so, so far, with only Spit9 for fighter.

won?     :lol              :aok
Title: Re: Top Fighter Ranking vs. Plane Used
Post by: Lusche on August 22, 2009, 04:25:35 PM
won?     :lol              :aok

I lost 45 then :(
Title: Re: Top Fighter Ranking vs. Plane Used
Post by: TonyJoey on August 22, 2009, 04:26:09 PM
won?     :lol              :aok


Ok, got.  Some tours it is a close competition though, and I have fun with it.
Title: Re: Top Fighter Ranking vs. Plane Used
Post by: Steve on August 22, 2009, 04:38:37 PM


Ok, got.  Some tours it is a close competition though, and I have fun with it.

By all means, have a ball.  :)   I just didn't know there was competition for it.
Title: Re: Top Fighter Ranking vs. Plane Used
Post by: TonyJoey on August 22, 2009, 04:43:12 PM
By all means, have a ball.  :)   I just didn't know there was competition for it.

Sometimes I think there definately is. 1 day you're, 1 next you're 2, then 3, then back to 1. It's the back and forth months that are competitions between the top 5 or so, in my mind.
Title: Re: Top Fighter Ranking vs. Plane Used
Post by: Steve on August 22, 2009, 04:46:24 PM
Sometimes I think there definately is. 1 day you're, 1 next you're 2, then 3, then back to 1. It's the back and forth months that are competitions between the top 5 or so, in my mind.

Cool.  :)  Good luck!
Title: Re: Top Fighter Ranking vs. Plane Used
Post by: Guppy35 on August 22, 2009, 04:53:49 PM
Sometimes I think there definately is. 1 day you're, 1 next you're 2, then 3, then back to 1. It's the back and forth months that are competitions between the top 5 or so, in my mind.

Tony, you are too young to spend 68 hours flying a cartoon Spitfire 9!  Get outside! :)

Checked.  I flew 24 hours, then I checked Steve and he flew 26 last tour.   
Title: Re: Top Fighter Ranking vs. Plane Used
Post by: TonyJoey on August 22, 2009, 05:01:03 PM
Tony, you are too young to spend 68 hours flying a cartoon Spitfire 9!  Get outside! :)

Checked.  I flew 24 hours, then I checked Steve and he flew 26 last tour.   

 :lol Don't worry I'll be playing less now that school's started back up.

PS: Steve, I don't know how to say this but.....somebody might have 'accidentally' dropped something 'bad' in the doggy bowl, so ya might wanna look into getting a new one. :noid

PPS: Might wanna look into a piano repair man too. :noid
Title: Re: Top Fighter Ranking vs. Plane Used
Post by: Steve on August 22, 2009, 05:03:49 PM
PS: Steve, I don't know how to say this but.....somebody might have 'accidentally' dropped something 'bad' in the doggy bowl, so ya might wanna look into getting a new one. :noid

PPS: Might wanna look into a piano repair man too. :noid

Uhh I may get embarrassed for this but ..... I have no idea what to what you are alluding.
Title: Re: Top Fighter Ranking vs. Plane Used
Post by: TonyJoey on August 22, 2009, 05:05:22 PM
Uhh I may get embarrassed for this but ..... I have no idea what to what you are alluding.

Oh don't worry. You'll find out when all the brail is sanded off, the seeing eye dog goes blind, and the piano explodes.
Title: Re: Top Fighter Ranking vs. Plane Used
Post by: Scotch on August 22, 2009, 05:10:19 PM
Someone found the shrooms man...  :noid
Title: Re: Top Fighter Ranking vs. Plane Used
Post by: Steve on August 22, 2009, 05:15:01 PM
Oh don't worry. You'll find out when all the brail is sanded off, the seeing eye dog goes blind, and the piano explodes.

Oh, ya.     Duh.            :lol
Title: Re: Top Fighter Ranking vs. Plane Used
Post by: AApache on August 22, 2009, 06:16:59 PM
 :noid
Title: Re: Top Fighter Ranking vs. Plane Used
Post by: DaveJ on August 22, 2009, 07:51:37 PM
<----35 in a G14

WOW BOSCO.
Title: Re: Top Fighter Ranking vs. Plane Used
Post by: Bosco123 on August 22, 2009, 09:00:15 PM
WOW BOSCO.
actually 33 after I looked :)
Title: Re: Top Fighter Ranking vs. Plane Used
Post by: DaveJ on August 22, 2009, 10:00:06 PM
actually 33 after I looked :)

 Come on Bosco. It just doesn't matter at all.
Title: Re: Top Fighter Ranking vs. Plane Used
Post by: Slade on August 23, 2009, 09:48:51 AM
Yes thanks for postings all.  Some have done well in none perk type planes.  Congrads!

Based on everyone's comments, maybe like baseballs Hall of Fame and steroids if anyone wins a category it should be noted in some way that they used an easy mode type plane (perk type plane).

I am saying to distinguish in some way those that win such a category that are "skilled challenged" from the pilots with real skill.  Yes it is possible for a good pilot to win this in an easy mode plane.  I'm just sayin. 

Title: Re: Top Fighter Ranking vs. Plane Used
Post by: Lusche on August 23, 2009, 09:54:33 AM
Maybe by ENY modifying the score points in the same way they modify perks gained?
Title: Re: Top Fighter Ranking vs. Plane Used
Post by: killnu on August 23, 2009, 12:04:01 PM
My name was on that page some time ago...flying a P38G almost exclusivley.  Its not what you fly...it is how you fly what you are in.
Title: Re: Top Fighter Ranking vs. Plane Used
Post by: Lusche on August 23, 2009, 12:20:17 PM
Its not what you fly...it is how you fly what you are in.

True for a bigpart of the planeset... but with some planes it would be exceedingly difficult to get the 5 kills per sortie, 12 kills per hour needed to get all the way to the "top", especially in those lacking firepower. I think of planes like C.202, P40B, Spit I. Doable, but much more difficult than doing it in a Tempest.
Title: Re: Top Fighter Ranking vs. Plane Used
Post by: Lazerr on August 23, 2009, 12:30:46 PM
Spit9 is about as easy as the 16.  Try getting it done in the 38.. ;)
Title: Re: Top Fighter Ranking vs. Plane Used
Post by: Belial on August 23, 2009, 12:44:24 PM
No plane is easy mode you can put a noob in a 262 or a tempest and hes no more of a threat than in a hurri1.
Title: Re: Top Fighter Ranking vs. Plane Used
Post by: grizz441 on August 23, 2009, 03:38:18 PM
No plane is easy mode you can put a noob in a 262 or a tempest and hes no more of a threat than in a hurri1.

Well obviously when one calls a plane easy mode it refers to its capabilities when the average run of the mill MA pilot takes handle of it and is able to easily outperform a very high percentage of the populus.  Not the two week noob that can barely lift off.  So yes, there are planes that are easy mode.  And I'd hardly call the Me262 easy mode, I rarely see pilots landing more than 5 kills in it consistently.
Title: Re: Top Fighter Ranking vs. Plane Used
Post by: Bosco123 on August 23, 2009, 03:49:19 PM
Come on Bosco. It just doesn't matter at all.
Quit being so stuck up b/c your score sucks :P
Title: Re: Top Fighter Ranking vs. Plane Used
Post by: DaveJ on August 23, 2009, 05:10:51 PM
Quit being so stuck up b/c your score sucks :P

 :O :O :O Yes Bosco, if you consider stuck up to be not caring about score.


Title: Re: Top Fighter Ranking vs. Plane Used
Post by: Agent360 on August 23, 2009, 05:27:29 PM
I have never been anywhere near the top on scores. Hell I can't even controll a CV. LOL

I operate on the "ownage" score. That score existes nowhere but in the heads of other AH pilots. I know and they know when it has occured.

No other score matters.

 :noid
Title: Re: Top Fighter Ranking vs. Plane Used
Post by: grizz441 on August 23, 2009, 05:45:33 PM
I have never been anywhere near the top on scores. Hell I can't even controll a CV. LOL

I operate on the "ownage" score. That score existes nowhere but in the heads of other AH pilots. I know and they know when it has occured.

No other score matters.

 :noid

 :lol
Well said.
Title: Re: Top Fighter Ranking vs. Plane Used
Post by: Bosco123 on August 23, 2009, 06:29:00 PM
:O :O :O Yes Bosco, if you consider stuck up to be not caring about score.



Wow. Your really taking this serious? I thought I knew you better than this.
Title: Re: Top Fighter Ranking vs. Plane Used
Post by: Guppy35 on August 23, 2009, 07:42:22 PM
I have never been anywhere near the top on scores. Hell I can't even controll a CV. LOL

I operate on the "ownage" score. That score existes nowhere but in the heads of other AH pilots. I know and they know when it has occured.

No other score matters.

 :noid

I'd argue the 'ownage' score is not really owning anyone so much as knowing you've fought a good fight, and that you know you can take just about anyone in the game to the edge win or lose.


I'd never claim to be a great stick, and I know there are guys in certain birds that will beat me in the old 38G 9 times out of 10.  But I'm confident I can give most guys a decent fight in that same 38G. 

If I was worried about 'owning' people, I'd fly a lot more hours and probably find a better performing bird.  At this stage of the game, I'd rather stick to my old 38G and see how far I can push it in a fight regardless of the other bird I'm fighting.  I sure don't win em all but I enjoy that challenge more then just setting it up to 'win'.

And Agent, my experience fighting you says your approach is much the same :)
Title: Re: Top Fighter Ranking vs. Plane Used
Post by: DaveJ on August 23, 2009, 08:02:35 PM
Wow. Your really taking this serious? I thought I knew you better than this.

Bosco, sometimes I don't know if if you are bragging about score or not! And yes you know me well enough to realize that I don't care about score!

Title: Re: Top Fighter Ranking vs. Plane Used
Post by: Nwbie on August 24, 2009, 04:13:09 PM
I was No. 1 in a Hurri II once

Then day 2 of the tour started.


NwBie ;)
Title: Re: Top Fighter Ranking vs. Plane Used
Post by: Dead Man Flying on August 24, 2009, 05:37:03 PM
Getting #1 in Fighters isn't that difficult.

Getting #1 in Fighters while maintaining a sub-1900 overall rank (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/newscores/pilot.php?selectTour=Tour62&playername=Leviathn&action=1) -- now that's something.  ;) 
Title: Re: Top Fighter Ranking vs. Plane Used
Post by: Lazerr on August 24, 2009, 06:05:18 PM
Lev.. thats back when people werent logging 2000 kills per tour, playing 17 hours a day.  The rank on points part of that stat would be too low to get #1..
Title: Re: Top Fighter Ranking vs. Plane Used
Post by: Bosco123 on August 24, 2009, 06:47:49 PM
Bosco, sometimes I don't know if if you are bragging about score or not! And yes you know me well enough to realize that I don't care about score!


And you must know me well enough that I don't care about score either!
Title: Re: Top Fighter Ranking vs. Plane Used
Post by: Sc00ter on August 24, 2009, 07:07:39 PM
Somehow I'm ranked in the top 30 (overall) and all i do is die. Sympathy points? :cry
Title: Re: Top Fighter Ranking vs. Plane Used
Post by: Lusche on August 24, 2009, 07:08:07 PM
Lev.. thats back when people werent logging 2000 kills per tour, playing 17 hours a day.  The rank on points part of that stat would be too low to get #1..

Ahhh the good old times when AH was a better game with fewer dweebs...

NOT


Small comparison of time logged & kills made for tour 62 (the one you are referring to) and tour 110, 4 years later

I compiled hours played (rounded) and kills made for top ten overall rank as well as hour flown & kills made in fighter mode only for top 10 fighters:

(http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/9894/tourtimes.jpg)

I don't see any significant difference...
#1 fighter had 25h in tour 62 and 28h in tour 110.
Title: Re: Top Fighter Ranking vs. Plane Used
Post by: moot on August 24, 2009, 07:18:34 PM
Yeah, 2005 wasn't the good old days :)  More like before ~2001/2002.  And I don't know if top 10 anything really will shed light on what things were like back then.  There were score mongerers back then too.
Title: Re: Top Fighter Ranking vs. Plane Used
Post by: Lusche on August 24, 2009, 07:19:52 PM
Yeah, 2005 wasn't the good old days

I think 2005 was the year the good old days finally died - I joined AH that very year.  :D
Title: Re: Top Fighter Ranking vs. Plane Used
Post by: moot on August 24, 2009, 07:40:11 PM
So that's what it was!  :devil