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Title: Which American aircraft do you most want?
Post by: Karnak on May 08, 2001, 09:37:00 PM: ONLY pick 1 off of my suggested list or name one that you would rather have.
My list will be of aircraft that are as competitive as possible with the current plane set.

The list is in alphabetic order:

A-26 Invader

B-17F Flying Fortress

B-24J Liberator

B-25H Mitchell

B-25J Mitchell

B-29A Super Fortress

FM2 Wildcat

F4U-1A Corsair

F4U-4A Corsair

F7F Tigercat

F8F Bearcat

P-38H Lightning

P-38J Lightning

P-39Q Airacobra

P-40N Warhawk

P-47M Thunderbolt

P-47N Thunderbolt

P-51A Mustang

P-51H Mustang

P-61B Black Widow

P-80A Shooting Star

SBD-6 Dauntless

SB2C-5 Helldiver

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Post by: Sancho on May 08, 2001, 09:52:00 PM: P-47M-1 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
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Post by: humble on May 08, 2001, 10:02:00 PM: You missed the King Cobra, probably would be classified as russian iron for game purposes. One way or the other it certainly is a viable option for the 44-45 plane set.
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Post by: funked on May 08, 2001, 10:12:00 PM: A-26
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Post by: Citabria on May 08, 2001, 10:32:00 PM: P-39 any variant.

just make it very pretty to make up for its lack of performance (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Post by: ra on May 08, 2001, 10:34:00 PM: It would be so much fun to take fields with a swarm of B-25H's.
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Post by: juzz on May 08, 2001, 11:51:00 PM: P-40N-1
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Post by: Karnak on May 09, 2001, 12:10:00 AM: I would take the B-29A as an new perk bomber.
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Post by: Jigster on May 09, 2001, 01:08:00 AM: A-26. BUT in several variants so there will that one doesn't automatically fall under the uber category.
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Post by: DB603 on May 09, 2001, 01:29:00 AM: S!

A26 Invader

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Post by: flakbait on May 09, 2001, 01:43:00 AM: A-26B

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Post by: straffo on May 09, 2001, 01:50:00 AM: A-26 Invader
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Post by: Dowding on May 09, 2001, 03:13:00 AM: Tigercat definitely.
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Post by: Spatula on May 09, 2001, 03:15:00 AM: P51-H
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Post by: eddiek on May 09, 2001, 03:20:00 AM: P47M, definitely! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Post by: Wmaker on May 09, 2001, 03:55:00 AM: Warhawk for me

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Post by: Thud on May 09, 2001, 04:47:00 AM: A-26 Invader
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Post by: Spooky67 on May 09, 2001, 04:49:00 AM: A26 invader ...many variants possible..
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Post by: LLv34_Camouflage on May 09, 2001, 05:31:00 AM: P-39Q in VVS markings.

Camo

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Post by: RoadfRash on May 09, 2001, 05:50:00 AM: P-51H !
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Post by: fats on May 09, 2001, 07:57:00 AM: P-40N

// fats
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Post by: Tilt on May 09, 2001, 08:14:00 AM: A-26 Invader

In its many variants......

Tilt
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Post by: VISCONTI on May 09, 2001, 10:11:00 AM: B25 for cv use
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Post by: -ammo- on May 09, 2001, 10:30:00 AM: P-47M
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Post by: Vosper on May 09, 2001, 10:32:00 AM: P61B

Cheers
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Post by: Nimits on May 09, 2001, 10:42:00 AM: In order of preference

P-40E or P-40N Warhawk

B-26b that can carry torpedo (as it did at Midway)

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Post by: LaVa on May 09, 2001, 11:06:00 AM: B-29 Bomber

P-80 Fighter

LaVa

If only one...A26
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Post by: Mitsu on May 09, 2001, 11:39:00 AM: P-40.
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Post by: Wanker on May 09, 2001, 11:59:00 AM: Changed my mind. B-25H.

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Post by: FabryKA6 on May 09, 2001, 12:00:00 PM: A26
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Post by: Lephturn on May 09, 2001, 12:01:00 PM: P47-M!

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Post by: newguy on May 09, 2001, 12:44:00 PM: P-39, VVS markings
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Post by: CJ on May 09, 2001, 01:00:00 PM: P-47M
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Post by: SpitLead on May 09, 2001, 02:04:00 PM: B-29 Superfort (the A26 is a VERY close second)
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Post by: Nifty on May 09, 2001, 02:23:00 PM: SBD-6 Dauntless.
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Post by: anRky on May 09, 2001, 02:50:00 PM: P-40! (any model, but I'd prefer the 'N')

anRky
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Post by: Packrat on May 09, 2001, 03:11:00 PM: You made this hard,ONLY 1, B29 perk it.
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Post by: Vruth on May 09, 2001, 03:16:00 PM: B-29A Super Fortress
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Post by: snafu on May 09, 2001, 04:22:00 PM: P-61B

TTFN
snafu
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Post by: Tac on May 09, 2001, 05:21:00 PM: P-39Q
P-40 (AVG Flying Tigers model and N model)
P-38 D, H, J, M
P-61
B-25H
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Post by: pugg666 on May 09, 2001, 05:47:00 PM: A-26 baby (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
the hard nosed version with all those .50 cals (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

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Post by: BBGunn on May 09, 2001, 06:38:00 PM: A-26
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Post by: RoadfRash on May 09, 2001, 08:30:00 PM: If we get the perked 29 lets do it right and get the Enola & Box Car <G>
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Post by: hazed- on May 09, 2001, 09:15:00 PM: no more late barely used planes please.

p51h? bearcat? p80 shooting star etc? wtf? this is a world war 2 sim right? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)

id rather see the B24 liberator,brewster buffulo,SBD-6

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Post by: -tronski- on May 09, 2001, 09:46:00 PM: Invader
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Post by: Hobodog on May 09, 2001, 09:52:00 PM: P-47-M
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Post by: Jigster on May 10, 2001, 12:41:00 AM: Quote
Originally posted by RoadfRash:
If we get the perked 29 lets do it right and get the Enola & Box Car <G>

<anal mode>

Bock's Car

</anal mode>
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Post by: Effdub on May 10, 2001, 03:45:00 AM: P-39
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Post by: aztec on May 10, 2001, 04:52:00 AM: B-24
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Post by: BlauK on May 10, 2001, 06:18:00 AM: P-39Q
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Post by: maik on May 10, 2001, 07:55:00 AM: F-15
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Post by: -ammo- on May 10, 2001, 11:16:00 AM: Quote
Originally posted by hazed-:
no more late barely used planes please.

p51h? bearcat? p80 shooting star etc? wtf? this is a world war 2 sim right? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)

id rather see the B24 liberator,brewster buffulo,SBD-6

Your vote dont count, nor does maik's, ya bunch of Luft weenies. You wouldn't even fly whatever American AC Pyro decided was gonna be modeled..so be gone with you!!
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Post by: minus on May 10, 2001, 12:03:00 PM: AMMO is it not nice how u ANSWER !!!!
realy not nice !!!!!!!!

ANY >>LW wenies<< can say the same about the >>Glorious ALied Fans << when they wote for non alied plane
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Post by: Karnak on May 10, 2001, 01:05:00 PM: ALL votes are valid. I don't care what kind of aircraft somebody has as their favorites.

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Post by: Dowding on May 10, 2001, 01:07:00 PM: Hazed - how can you say that?

The LW has several planes that were *barely* in service. What makes you think fans of other air-forces don't want the same?
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Post by: LLv34_Snefens on May 10, 2001, 01:29:00 PM: P-39Q
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Post by: RAS on May 10, 2001, 01:30:00 PM: A-26 Invader
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Post by: Kieran on May 10, 2001, 01:43:00 PM: A-20. It is the most-used attack bomber on the Allied side, covering every front. This puppy is scenario fodder if there ever was any.
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Post by: Pongo on May 10, 2001, 02:43:00 PM: all
but I will settle for the B29 first
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Post by: Thrawn on May 10, 2001, 03:03:00 PM: P-61B Black Widow
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Post by: GRUNHERZ on May 10, 2001, 03:07:00 PM: I want the F86 Sabre.....

Just going along with the neat USAF/USN Korean war planeset you guys want in AH.
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Post by: -ammo- on May 10, 2001, 03:51:00 PM: Minus, i am JK. (just kidding)

Karnak, cool, so if every vote counts ...what will these votes accomplish? i mean is HTC standing by waiting for the final tally? I am biting my fingernails!!!!

But really, look at grunhernz response, hazed response. This is just a whoopy-de-doo post, a "what if" if ya like. Those doods must be on someones payroll to get bent out of shape (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) I just capatilize on it is all.

BTW, P-47M was WWII AC, 56 FG only as a matter of fact..TYVM (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

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Post by: Toad on May 10, 2001, 04:08:00 PM: Dowding, take a wild guess at Hazed's first choice in the German aircraft thread.

(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

Of course! It's the 262!
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Post by: Karnak on May 10, 2001, 04:09:00 PM: -ammo-,
I will post the most desired aircraft form each list.

HTC can do whatever they want with it, including ignore it. I won't be insulted. Hopefully it gives them a quick checkon the desires of the Aces High forum community. That's all.

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Post by: Karnak on May 10, 2001, 04:37:00 PM: GRUNHERZ,
I included some 1945 options because I have noticed that some people like them. HTC has already added two 1945 aircraft, the Ta152H and Ar234A.

I also had mid war aircraft on the list, such as the B-17F, P-39Q and P-40N.

As I have stated repeatedly, I think that people who use combat as their criteria are biased towards German aircraft and those who use numbers are biased towards the Allies.

The least biased thing I could come up with was production airframes. If the was one or more production aircraft of a given type built before Japan surrendered, I consider it valid.

F-86s do not meet that criteria, nor do Mig-15s, B-36s or Meteor MkIVs.

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Post by: -ammo- on May 10, 2001, 04:46:00 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Karnak:
-ammo-,
I will post the most desired aircraft form each list.

HTC can do whatever they want with it, including ignore it. I won't be insulted. Hopefully it gives them a quick checkon the desires of the Aces High forum community. That's all.

OK diffuse time (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Karnak, It was a thoughtful thing to post, and I got recreation from it, and I appreciate it. I certainly didnt think of it. Please dont get offended, I was only making light of it. I have tuff skin and sometimes I just assume everyone else does too.

BTW..did I mention that the P-47M is my pick?

OK back to the subject at hand..

P-47M!
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Post by: Karnak on May 10, 2001, 05:21:00 PM: -ammo-,
Heh, I took your question seriously, but not as an insult. I answered in under the assumtion that you were curious.

No offense was taken. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

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Post by: GRUNHERZ on May 10, 2001, 05:27:00 PM: Actually the 234 is a mid-late 1944 plane, but I get ur point. The problem is that its really hard for me accept planes that did not fight in the war. For example I dont want a Do335 in AH, as for the 152 im no comfortable with it either as far too few saw far too little service.

As for what US planes I really want, it be some sort of P39 or P40, maybe the AVG type P40s as those are really classic looking planes, but i dont know too much about them.
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Post by: Staga on May 10, 2001, 06:54:00 PM: IMHO P-40 is one of the best (http://www.kolumbus.fi/staga/cfs2/p40_1.jpg) looking planes (http://www.kolumbus.fi/staga/cfs2/p40_2.jpg) USA has ever produced thought P-63 could be more suitable for MA.

ps that P-40 is from CFS2 and it sure is a candy with its landing (http://www.kolumbus.fi/staga/cfs2/p40_cowl.jpg) gears and flaps down and cowling flaps open (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

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Post by: Jigster on May 10, 2001, 07:03:00 PM: Btw I really really want a PV-2D Harpoon, it really should of been included in this list.

But it comes only after my earlier vote for the A-26, after which comes the A-20, and THEN the PV-2D.

Oh and after flying the CFSII R4D, I want it as another C-47 variant (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Post by: Staga on May 10, 2001, 07:08:00 PM: Heh Imagine 10 of those R4D's flying in tight form with single digit framerates (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)

Computers are developing just like video accelerators so maybe in next 3-4 years all planes in flight-sims are like that (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

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Post by: Jack55 on May 10, 2001, 07:28:00 PM: L-5
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Post by: Sorrow[S=A] on May 10, 2001, 08:57:00 PM: P40
P-39Q

P-40 arrives we can finally run a proper Med scenario with the full planeset!
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Post by: Steven on May 10, 2001, 11:37:00 PM: Wildcat, but would need other early war a/c in the arena so it would have any chance

or the B-25 or B-24.
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Post by: elstevie on May 14, 2001, 12:41:00 AM: P-40 pleeeeeeeeeeeez (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)

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Post by: Bodhi on May 14, 2001, 08:58:00 AM: P-40
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Post by: hazed- on May 19, 2001, 08:15:00 PM: dowding im sure they do but we have

tempest -ta152
p51d/P38 -dora/109g10
b17/B26/lanc/TBM -ju88/arado
F4c/d/typhoon/p47/P38/d25/d30/d11 -190a8/f8
p51b/F6f -190a5
spitIX/V -109g2/f4/g6

ok? trying to be as fair as i can grouping planes in terms of similar types or era and as you can see allies have a much wider choice.LW have a great choice i know and russian/italian/japanese have missed out a bit but im sorry im more interested in european theatre stuff so i talk about LW more.ta152 is very rare but it did see action so if i could transport back to 1945 i would see one fighting.Thats basically what playing AH is all about for me.Simulate the planes that flew and fought.

So you want the very best p51? ok but please only if it saw action.same for every other country.

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Post by: Karnak on May 20, 2001, 02:32:00 AM: hazed-,
Ya can't compare Allies to the Luftwaffe and expect it to be even. Do a nation by nation comparison or Axis vs Allies comparison. Yes, you will find that the Americans have a lot of units and you will find that the Allies have more than the Axis, but I think you are distorting it way more by comparing Allies to Luftwaffe. Here is a comparison using Axis vs Soviets:

Ta152 -nothing
Fw190D-9/Bf109G-10/N1K2-J -Yak-9U/La-7
Ju88A-4/Ar234A -nothing
Fw190F-8 -Il-2M
Bf109G-6/Fw190A-8/Fw190A-5/C.205 -La-5FN
Bf109G-2/Bf109F-4/A6M5b/Ki61-Ib/C.202 -Yak-9T
Panzer IV H/Ostwind -nothing

Makes it look pretty bad for the Soviets, doesn't it?

Remember, it is not Allies vs. Luftwaffe. It is not really American vs Britain vs Germany vs Italy vs Japan vs Russia either, but I recognize that each countries air force has its fans, but I am no more a fan of all Allied aircraft than you are of all Axis aircraft. Most Russian and American aircraft do nothing for me, yet I do not compare the RAF's selection against the whole Axis selection.

Do you see what I am getting at?

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Post by: Angus on May 30, 2001, 08:29:00 AM: B29....for perks
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Post by: SwampRat on May 31, 2001, 03:50:00 PM: B29A (Perked). I saw Hitech make the comment "it would make a great perk plane", I think were gonna see it eventually.

F7F<<< "Nice kitty nice...kitty"?? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/eek.gif)

SwampRat
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Post by: -tronski- on June 04, 2001, 02:13:00 AM: I fail to see a real reason why you'd perk the B-29 anymore than say the Lanc or B-17. In the MA , the 29 would rarely operate at its maximim alt, and even then in small numbers.
Plus the Ta152 I would think, could negate even that attribute.

Tronsky
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Post by: Lephturn on June 04, 2001, 09:12:00 AM: Planes are not perked only for their performance, but also to help reflect their relative rarity. THe B-29 would be perked to keep it from being too common in relation to other buffs, if for no other reason.

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Post by: Dnil on June 04, 2001, 09:18:00 AM: Fm-2, SBD.

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Title: Which American aircraft do you most want?
Post by: Major Tom on June 07, 2001, 02:31:00 AM: A-26B (the one with 22 forward firing MG's)

..failing that, put me down for an A-20G-1-DO with all the extras including a .50 tunnel gun!
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Post by: hazed- on June 07, 2001, 05:08:00 PM: er karnak no i dont see what you getting at really.I did say i think we ought to fill out the jap/russian/italian sets a bit more before the LW or Alies purely for fairness but if fairness was put aside id say the greatest interest would be in USAAF,LW and RAF planes so they are bound to get more planes first.

When i was comparing planes i was just going by types and choices.What i would not like to see is the allies get a bearcat from 1947 that could cause even the me262 trouble before the axis have a chance to savour the me262s superior performance.
We (LW flyers) had to fly the 109g10 or 190a8 against the p51d for almost a year so in effect it was as if the p51d was the top plane for a year.Id like to see the me262 arrive and at least have a short period of dominance before we get the allied answer to it which never saw action.Do you see ? hehe :D
this is why i asked to not see the ultra p51s or p80s or bearcats.

jeez i flew a year in 190s(not doras,they wasnt there) against a better performing p51d.Id like a short period where i feel i have the best plane.
sure theres the ta152 now but the tempest kicks its bellybutton in MA.Arado is a rare and barely used bomber and i love it but it has very little use,costs a fortune and has a pathetic bombload for the lone type bombing we often see and no guns.Not a real MA winner is it?
someone give me an example of a time in AH where the LW had the best performing aircraft? In books ive read the top planes ebbed back and forth as each side upped the stakes.Not so in AH.
the case would be even more apparent in the russian/LW example you gave.the russians lost hordes of planes before they started to produce better planes.it wasnt until the winter of 43 i think that the russians actually beat the germans on that front.come the following summer the germans turned on them again and began pushing the russians again until they hit stalingrad and again defeated in 44 i think.As a LW flyer you long to try those planes that were talked of in the books as being far ahead of their time like the me262 but if we get a p80 at the same time where is the shock value the me262 truely produced in allied pilots?
furballers would love it i guess.but for me it would ruin the WW2 feel and illusion of being there.

[ 06-07-2001: Message edited by: hazed- ]
Title: Which American aircraft do you most want?
Post by: Steven on June 07, 2001, 05:30:00 PM: 1947 Bearcat? Wasn't there a squadron or two on carrirs on their way to the fighting when the war ended?

I'd actually like to see the early stuff appearing in the simulation but still doubt many would fly a Wildcat with so many N1K's running around.
Title: Which American aircraft do you most want?
Post by: SpitLead on June 07, 2001, 06:39:00 PM: Late model P-40 (N?) This airplane DESERVES to be next. P-40 variants were a front line fighter with the AVG in 1939 until late in the war and fought in the Pacific and African campaigns in large numbers. Let's bring the Warhawk to AH.

A B-29 would be nice but if it's perked I don't know that many people would fly it. How many Arado's have you seen flying around lately. I've seen maybe 2 for a whole tour! You're still a sitting duck for the most part in a bomber if anyone with any sense attacks you and who would want to loose perk points at that rate? Besides, those big perk point airplanes become the focus of every pilot around. You basically have a huge bullseye painted on you. I don't fly Tempests anymore for that very reason. At least in a CHog the perk point loss is only 8 and it can be confused with the 'D' model so people don't make suicide runs to try and kill you. It would be interesting to see how HTC does the remote controlled guns. :cool:
Title: Which American aircraft do you most want?
Post by: hazed- on June 07, 2001, 09:53:00 PM: spitlead i think HTC had problems modeling the periscope guns that the arado could have and so they were left off.It may be a similar problem with the b29.The b29 would be a great addition but it would completely take over as the bomber of choice i think if it wasnt perked in some way.It has a phenominal ceiling and once up there there would be little to stop it.perhaps it might be best to get less accurate bombs before you introduce the ultimate strato-buff :D
Title: Which American aircraft do you most want?
Post by: SpitLead on June 08, 2001, 02:18:00 PM: Not to try and sway anybody on this list but here are my personal thoughts on planes listed to choose from:

We don't need any more variants of existing airplanes. Period. Jeez we've got 3 P-47 models and 2 P-51 models. We don't need more P-38s, Corsair's and B-17s etc.

Other aircraft like the Tigercat, Bearcat and Shooting Star didn't even SEE action in WWII so they aren't legitimate aircraft (IMHO).

The P-61 was flown in such limited numbers I'm not even sure it should qualify. I believe the same is true for the A-26 which I don't think saw combat until the Korean war.

The Devastator was an absolute DOG of an airplane so why fly it when there are much more capable airplanes around.

That leaves left what I'll call the legitimate list of airplanes to choose from (I'm doing this from memory):

B-29
F4F Wildcat
P-39 (any variant)
P-40 (any variant)
B-25 (any variant)
B-24 (any variant)
SBD Dauntless

(I think Karnak should've added the A-20 Havoc, the one with the 8-50 cal in the nose)

These are all legitimate WWII combat planes built in significant numbers. Let's have HTC work on filling out the legitimate airplanes rather than these more fanciful low production, non-WWII stuff. :)

Once that's done they can work on the more far flung airplanes to add some interesting variety but anything that didn't see actual combat in WWII should NOT be included (IMHO). I totally agree with Hazed on this subject.
Title: Which American aircraft do you most want?
Post by: Nifty on June 08, 2001, 02:34:00 PM: Good post SpitLead. I agree. We've got enough p-47, p-51 and corsair variants for NOW. Flesh out the plane set more, and then we can see more variants of models already in the game.

From Spit's list, I'd like to see the Dauntless in the game, followed by the Wildcat. Ok, so I'm partial to the carrier based planes.

Actually, I'd rather see some more IJN planes (Kates and Vals maybe? Betty even?) before I see more American. Work on evening out the country planesets I guess. For example... IJN only has fighters (tho the Ki-61 can jabo.) They could use a torp plane, dive bomber and level bomber. Germans need a level bomber (they did have some, right???) Just my opinion tho... :)
Title: Which American aircraft do you most want?
Post by: M.C.202 on June 08, 2001, 11:16:00 PM: > Other aircraft like the Tigercat, Bearcat and
> Shooting Star didn't even SEE action in WWII
> so they aren't legitimate aircraft (IMHO).

Na, this is just part of the issue date vs build date. Many late war yank aircraft were
full production built, but shipping time delayed "combat". :rolleyes:

> I believe the same is true for the A-26
> which I don't think saw combat until the
> Korean war.

Nope, saw a lot of use in late '44 and through '45. :D
Title: Which American aircraft do you most want?
Post by: hazed- on June 09, 2001, 11:11:00 AM: spitlead exactly m8 this is what i meant.flesh out all the planes then add the ultimate varient otherwise why fly the p51d when the p51h is there?

Nifty i agree.we have Carriers and the TBM is a great addition but when i read about the battle of midway etc i read about the dauntless and the wildcat or is it hellcat(ah i cant remember). bearcats,tigercats and shooting star ever mentioned? NEG :D

ive since read a few p51h did see action near the very end of the war and the original order for 2000 was cut short by the end of hostilities and 555 were built.A good number of these were still in the US when things finished.So im ok about the p51H now.Not so the shooting star etc.

im accused of trying to limit the USAAF fans choices because im a luftweenie? Well im sure you know I dont appreciate this sort of crap.I love RAF spits and i love the pacific carrier battles. I bought those early sims like everyone else and i have my favourites.What really pissed me off is that I like the german planes for their crazy designs(komets etc) i like the jap planes because surviving wasnt much of a concern for those nuts :) and i never really read about the russian stuff as a kid and i knew nothing of italian planes so those arent 'really' what i want to fly but i dont mind trying em out.I never even knew what a Il2 was until 'that other' game appeared.
american stuff i read about? Midway and coral sea and the bombing campaign with B17s and liberaters with their escorts.
So i dont want to see shooting stars bearcats and tigercats etc? MUST be my desire to DOMINATE in my me262....YAH thats it, youre right ! Im a luftwaffe lunatic !
BANG ON DOCTOR FREUD.
<finger> to all of ya who think they 'know' me.
Title: Which American aircraft do you most want?
Post by: SpitLead on June 12, 2001, 02:01:00 PM: Nifty, that would be a very cool mission to set up about 6-10 SBDs all loaded with 1000 lb bombs to sink the CV.

Correct on the P-51H. If that airplane was not perked, who would fly the P-51D?? And regardless of the aicraft delivery date even if it was flying before the end of the war if it didn't see ANY active combat duty it shouldn't be here, period (as much fun as I'd have flying those airplanes). If the A26 did see service then add it back on the list I have no problem with that ( but who would fly the B26 then???). Some how the new airplanes must add a balance to the plane set and not add such an advantage as to eclipe earlier variants or other similar aircraft. To me, that would defeat the purpose of adding a new airplane since you've effectively all but eliminated an existing one.