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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: mtnman on August 26, 2009, 11:28:32 AM
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I bought parts for a new rig, they showed up, and I assembled them. At the end, I powered it up and... nothing. No apparant power to the board. Is it possible I have something hooked up wrong? Or more likely the board is dead?
I should mention that this is the second try. This same exact thing happened two weeks ago, and I sent the board back to be replaced. New board arrives, same problem... I tried the Pwr supply in a different box, and it works.
How should I trouble-shoot this?
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Double check your connections...you might have a 12v connector in the wrong place.
PSU might not have the proper amount of power for the board as well.
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I bought parts for a new rig, they showed up, and I assembled them. At the end, I powered it up and... nothing. No apparant power to the board. Is it possible I have something hooked up wrong? Or more likely the board is dead?
I should mention that this is the second try. This same exact thing happened two weeks ago, and I sent the board back to be replaced. New board arrives, same problem... I tried the Pwr supply in a different box, and it works.
How should I trouble-shoot this?
If you have a digital camera, take a photo of your motherboard with everything plugged in and post it here.
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Here's a list of my parts, add to that a Seagate SATA 3.5" Barracuda 500GB HD, and an old floppy and DVD Drive, in my old case.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115037
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128359
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231166
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139009
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130339
Here are pictures. I've disconnected everything but the MB and PWR Supply here. Plugged in, power on, all is silent. No sounds, no LEDs. Both the main and 8-pin power are connected to the board.
(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m309/Mtnman_03/DSC_0002.jpg)
(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m309/Mtnman_03/DSC_0001.jpg)
Memory is in slot 1 and 3, does that matter?
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Your missing the connection that goes to that 8 pin 12v power connector between the power supply and the blue heat sink that read "ultra durable"...or I'm just not seeing the power cable going to it in the pics.
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Nope, the 8-pin is connected. That one and the real big one, and that's it at this point.
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Your missing the connection that goes to that 8 pin 12v power connector between the power supply and the blue heat sink that read "ultra durable"...or I'm just not seeing the power cable going to it in the pics.
It's connected.
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Mtnman, you try swapping between one stick of RAM?
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No, haven't tried that. Just remove one?
Gotta head to the store, wife is dragging me out the door. Won't be back for 2-3 hours...
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No, haven't tried that. Just remove one?
Gotta head to the store, wife is dragging me out the door. Won't be back for 2-3 hours...
Yes, Read your MB manual, but keep one in your slot closest to CPU (but, just verify as it might vary from manufacturer). My guess is a dead MB (possibly bad DIMM slot). Again, not diagnosing it, just going on what you've posted.
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Mtnman, you try swapping between one stick of RAM?
OK, tried that, no luck. Tried both sticks seperately, in the number-1 slot, which is the one closest to the CPU.
OK, wife is in the van, engine running, gotta go.
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Pull on the power connections a tad to see if they are in. Check your I/O switch on the back of the computer.
Addendum: make sure the notches of your power cables are lined up. That 24pin cable looks tilted from here. (abeit hard to see).
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Yes, Read your MB manual, but keep one in your slot closest to CPU (but, just verify as it might vary from manufacturer). My guess is a dead MB (possibly bad DIMM slot). Again, not diagnosing it, just going on what you've posted.
That should have kicked off the mobo and caused some sort of error...but then some dual channel mobos won't power up at all without 2 chips in.
Is it possible the cpu isn't in the socket properly???
He tried the PSU in another box and it powered up...could be a short in there somewhere...maybe the capstands aren't positioned properly and the board is grounded against the case?
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Did you disconnect the wire for the power switch (and the rest of the front panel?) in order to take the pictures? There should be wires connected to the F_PANEL - pins 6 & 8 of which are the power switch connector.
Also, you should plug in the case speaker (which also plugs in to the F_PANEL connector) so that you can here if it's beeping.
According to the manual, a single memory module should be fine - so either alone should be fine. Also, normally you can expect most boards to power up (and then beep) without any memory modules - in which case you can tell that they are the problem when it won't start up if they are installed.
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Did you disconnect the wire for the power switch (and the rest of the front panel?) in order to take the pictures? There should be wires connected to the F_PANEL - pins 6 & 8 of which are the power switch connector.
Good catch Ghastly...those front panel pins are empty... :aok :salute
Won't power up like that.
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Umpteen builds ago, I came across this EXACT scenario.
Board appeared dead, power supply was fine, etc. Called Intel support, spoke to someone in India, new board shipped figured I fried it somehow. New board arrives, install it and the new board is dead too.
Removed the motherboard and basically connected the power supply to it on the table OUTSIDE of the case. Connected the case switch so I had ON/OFF capability. Flip the switch, processor fan spins up!
Unhook and put motherboard back into the case, dead as a doornail. It turns out that in my excitement to put everything together, I installed the motherboard riser screws in each and every hole in the case below the motherboard. :o
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/21BJM6ZY5ML._SL500_AA200_.jpg)
It only takes one out of place riser screw to touch the board in the wrong place and cause it to short out. Make sure all of the risers are lined up ONLY where there are screw holes in the motherboard.
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Few things I noticed, not sure if it was just for the benefit of taking pictures though.
The I/O ports aren't plugged in.
No SATA/IDE ports are plugged in.
No videocard is plugged in and that motherboard doesn't have onboard video.
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Ya..connect your front panel pins.. also the G Skill memory you have runs at 2.0-2.1v ,the bios will set it to 1.5V by default.
No problem..go in to the bios and change the voltage..I have almost the same build but have the DDR3 board and only 2GB of memory..
There are a lot of other bios tweaks for this MB, read the manual..I have never had any problems running AH, no matter what patch is used..
The game should play perfectly with this build..
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I run AMD, don't think be alot difference.
I would try just the MB, power hooked up,CPU, HSF, front panel wiring to MB. I would power up see if the CPU fan spins.Listen for any beeping, any lights that light up on MB, if have any.
Wiring from front panel power switch okay (no broken wires)? hooked up correct? Is the switch good? MB installed correct. Are the power supply plugs, plugged in good in MB? (not loose). CPU installed correct?No bent pins?
can't think of anything else at the moment
Cattb/Tim O
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Another problem I have encountered, make sure that the front panel pins are what they say they are.
i.e. if the PWR SW is white and orange,check to see that is really white and orange to the power switch. they could be miss marked..
Ah..pizzas done
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Few things I noticed, not sure if it was just for the benefit of taking pictures though.
The I/O ports aren't plugged in.
No SATA/IDE ports are plugged in.
No videocard is plugged in and that motherboard doesn't have onboard video.
X2 and the memory is to be in the 2nd and 4th spots not 1st and 3rd
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another thought, do you have another MB to try CPU
Cattb/Tim O
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Great ideas guys. I'm home now, and will start trying again. While in town, I also stopped in at Milwaukee PC to look at thier MB's, and talked to a guy there. He doesn't think it's the board either. He listed many of the same things you guys did, so I'll start working through them. He said he also has seen where the PC wouldn't start without a keyboard plugged in. Weird, but he's seen it.
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Great ideas guys. I'm home now, and will start trying again. While in town, I also stopped in at Milwaukee PC to look at thier MB's, and talked to a guy there. He doesn't think it's the board either. He listed many of the same things you guys did, so I'll start working through them. He said he also has seen where the PC wouldn't start without a keyboard plugged in. Weird, but he's seen it.
NNNNOOOOOOOOO!!!! Not Milwaukee PC!!! Geek Squad flunkies!!!
Do yourself a huge favor...don't buy anything bigger than a hard drive or DVD drive from them...the rest is juuuuunnnnkkkk!!!
Don't ask me how I know unless you know what CSU and MU are...*hint* *hint*
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Hehe, np gyrene!
OK, did I mention that this is my first build "on my own"?
Memory was in wrong slots (1 and 3, instead of 2 and 4). Board set on cardboard, only the CPU and fan, memory, both power cords, powered up fine! Screwed back into my tower, also works! Not done, but on my way!
I'll be back!
Thanks guys!
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Awesome news man...now you know half the secrets of troubleshooting computer problems. :D
Can't wait to see how it runs AH.
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Hehe, np gyrene!
OK, did I mention that this is my first build "on my own"?
Memory was in wrong slots (1 and 3, instead of 2 and 4). Board set on cardboard, only the CPU and fan, memory, both power cords, powered up fine! Screwed back into my tower, also works! Not done, but on my way!
I'll be back!
Thanks guys!
Good deal.
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Hows it going Phil?
as for the memory..........you can install them in slots DDR2_1(Channel 0) & DDR2_3 (Channel 1) or in DDR2_2 (Channel 0) & DDR2_4 (Channel 1) either combination will allow you to obtain your Dual Channel Memory Boost..... ( these combinations is the only way your memory will allow for Dual Channel , as well ) ( this is on pages 16 & 17 of the MB manual ...btw )
shoot me a PM or a call, and let me know how things are going or went :salute
edit: mtnman's Memory was in slots DDR2_1 & DDR2_2 .........per our conversation on the phone earlier this evening, and he had his front panel power switch wires, Orange (+ ) and White (-) , backwards...... ( just noticed his typo above )
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A suggestion,
Once you have put your PC together and is working where you want it, use memtest test your memory and prime 95, you can test cpu and memory for errors and also monitor your PC health status.
(cpu temp, board temp, etc etc).
This will help in aid of finding problems and making sure your system is stable
Tim O/ Cattb
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Interesting, I wasn't aware the PWRSW wire was polarity sensitive.
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I have the OS installed, updated, etc, seems to be working real well. I still need to do the thing with getting the memory to sync up with the MB. Gonna do that now.
I have the HD partitioned into a "normal" C-drive, and an "Aces High" D-drive, where they boot up different, so I can still run the game without all the extra processes turned on. Took me a while to figure out/remember how to do that...
Also haven't D-loaded the game yet, or migrated info from my old computer yet. Can't wait to try the game without needing to run it with everything down to minimum!
The make-it or break-it problem was the PWR SW wire, which was opposite of what I thought it was. When I turned it around, everything turned on, even with the memory in the wrong slots.
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glad to hear :aok
Cattb/Tim O
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I'm not so sure I have the memory settings figured out. It looks like I have 2x2Gb sticks, but only about 3.25Gb available when I look in my system information, or when I run Belarc Advisor.
I went to the GSkill forums, found the thread dealing with my board, and made the settings changes, with no effect that I can see...
On the "game level", I managed to get loaded up and into the TA for a little bit last night. High Res pack, 1024 textures. Very nice! Oooooh! Aaaaah! All the graphics settings maxed out, viewing distance maxed, all the shadows on, etc, with no stutters, no problems, great FR's (down to mid-50's on the deck, showing 75-plus at a few thousand feet (that may show higher than my monitor refreshes anyway?) Haven't tried the MA yet, with smoke, etc.
Quite a difference from what I'm used to. I've been flying on Shift-F2, detail almost all the way down, viewing distance of about 1 mile, 256 textures, with FR's around 35 on the deck, 55 at altitude. I generally couldn't see GV's unless I was right on top of them...
Would posting a DXDIAG help any of you with my memory settings?
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Sounds like your just hitting the RAM limitations of a 32-bit operating system. The only real way to fix the problem is to use a 64-bit operating system.
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Sounds like your just hitting the RAM limitations of a 32-bit operating system. The only real way to fix the problem is to use a 64-bit operating system.
Ahh, ok. I don't think it's going to cause me any issues right now.
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The make-it or break-it problem was the PWR SW wire, which was opposite of what I thought it was. When I turned it around, everything turned on, even with the memory in the wrong slots.
LOL, that's almost as bad as the last comp I put together, I had it all assembled, plugged it in and hit the switch on the back of the power supply and......nothing :furious. After checking all the wires, making sure I turned the switch the right direction, checking wires again, plugged it back in, hit the switch and .... nothing :furious. After WTsquealing for about 20 min, my daughter comes into the room and says "don't you have to push the power button on the front of the computer to turn it on? :huh" After staring at her for a few seconds :confused: and going over in my mind what I did, I had no choice but to say "Ummm, yep, I suppose that would help" :noid
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LOL, that's almost as bad as the last comp I put together, I had it all assembled, plugged it in and hit the switch on the back of the power supply and......nothing :furious. After checking all the wires, making sure I turned the switch the right direction, checking wires again, plugged it back in, hit the switch and .... nothing :furious. After WTsquealing for about 20 min, my daughter comes into the room and says "don't you have to push the power button on the front of the computer to turn it on? :huh" After staring at her for a few seconds :confused: and going over in my mind what I did, I had no choice but to say "Ummm, yep, I suppose that would help" :noid
ROFLMAO :rofl
:salute Thank you for sharing that embarrassing moment...been there and I empathize.
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ROFL...... several times Ive spent half hour trying to figure out why a system wont power up until it finally dawns on me that I should flip the switch on the surge protector......
goes along with the many times Ive jump started my truck because I thought I had a dead battery....... only to find out I left it in drive when I turned off the engine lol
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I'm not so sure I have the memory settings figured out. It looks like I have 2x2Gb sticks, but only about 3.25Gb available when I look in my system information, or when I run Belarc Advisor.
I went to the GSkill forums, found the thread dealing with my board, and made the settings changes, with no effect that I can see...
On the "game level", I managed to get loaded up and into the TA for a little bit last night. High Res pack, 1024 textures. Very nice! Oooooh! Aaaaah! All the graphics settings maxed out, viewing distance maxed, all the shadows on, etc, with no stutters, no problems, great FR's (down to mid-50's on the deck, showing 75-plus at a few thousand feet (that may show higher than my monitor refreshes anyway?) Haven't tried the MA yet, with smoke, etc.
Quite a difference from what I'm used to. I've been flying on Shift-F2, detail almost all the way down, viewing distance of about 1 mile, 256 textures, with FR's around 35 on the deck, 55 at altitude. I generally couldn't see GV's unless I was right on top of them...
Yep, that is what my 4 gigs show, just 3.25.
Would posting a DXDIAG help any of you with my memory settings?
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ROFL...... several times Ive spent half hour trying to figure out why a system wont power up until it finally dawns on me that I should flip the switch on the surge protector......
goes along with the many times Ive jump started my truck because I thought I had a dead battery....... only to find out I left it in drive when I turned off the engine lol
Nice! :rofl :devil