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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: gatt on March 13, 2000, 04:47:00 PM
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It was (and sometimes still is) my favourite ride in WB, after the 109F-4.
Cant wait to see how the A-4 will perform here with only the inner Mausers aboard (like in the real thing). Should be a real threat under 20K.
Sometimes ago PYRO said we were going to get an A-4 or A-5, if I'm not wrong. Any news about it?
[This message has been edited by gatt (edited 03-13-2000).]
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All I can say is....
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!!!
can we have an a4? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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(http://www.tcsn.net/aramis/skorpyon/udie190a.gif)
[This message has been edited by Udie (edited 03-13-2000).]
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A-3 or A-5 is fine too. As long as it's got the BMW 801D-2 and a takeoff weight around 8500 lbs. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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The A-5 is planned. It's not a tough variant to do, but we have a lot on our plate. Once Nate finishes the interior of the Panzer, he's gonna work on some bomber details. Time permitting, he may be able to get an A-5 together for the next version.
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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations
No sniveling!
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Man, UDIE!!! Are you the WB one?
I cant tell how many SL I've flown with you.
It makes me cry (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
PYRO, big thx for the reply. I'm still not used to such a fast feed back .. eheh.
Gatt
4^Stormo CT
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The A-5 is planned. It's not a tough variant to do, but we have a lot on our plate. Once Nate finishes the interior of the Panzer, he's gonna work on some bomber details. Time permitting, he may be able to get an A-5 together for the next version.
Hmmm, nice!
I spend most of my WB time in A-4, followed by F-4 quite far away behind. I always felt that Fw series has something bit different in it's FM, maybe I was wrong.
A-8 in AH is much better than A-8 in WB. Roll rate is now really effective and useful in combat! Lighter A-5 will be actually even better and I think for the first time in my online sim histrory I might be able to do proper dogfighting, albeit carefully (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
All I ever wanted in WB was fair and accurate FM's and now I'm feeling AH is providing them, at last.
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jochen
Geschwaderkommodore
Jagdgeschwader 2 'Richthofen' (http://personal.inet.fi/cool/jan.nousiainen/JG2) (Warbirds)
jochen
JG 2 'Richthofen' (Aces High)
If you ever get across the sea to England,
Then maybe at the closing of the day
The bars will all be serving German lager
Which means we won the war - hip hip hooray!
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Now don't think that I am against either the 190A4/A5 or even a 190D9, but ....
*** Sulky squeaky whinny rant mode on ***
Come on Pyro... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
We have how many &^#%@!* German fighter planes already ?? 5, yes FIVE
We have how many Russian and Japanese Fighters?
Even the "its an easy to get out of production variant" arguement doesn't hold up.
There is no way that the A5 is any easier to put together than the long awaited and much promised La7.
The La7 is not much more of an effort than changing the drag coefficents, and making 3 20mm's an armament option, and you get a new fighter. We would even be happy with the current La5FN camo scheme.
And its not even like there is no interest among the player base for Russian and Japanese Fighters. There has been plenty of talk among the players about a La7, Yak-3/9, Ki-44, Ki-84. IMO there has been alot more interest in these other planes than another 190 variant.
** rant mode off **
Sorry, long weekend with little sleep and many relatives taking over my house.
But sheesssh... Talk about disheartening.
Could someone pass me a little cheese to go with my whine (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/mad.gif)
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
(http://web.mountain.net/~arringto/pics/yak3.jpg)
[This message has been edited by Vermillion (edited 03-14-2000).]
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Vermillion, you're right, we have 5 german fighters, but how many of them can efectively survive in the actual main arena with lots of hyper-fast planes like Corsairs, Stangs and P38s? Just one, the G10. But this 109 have a lot of control problems at high speeds and its regular armament is very poor. 190A8 is fast, right, but can't match any of the previously mentioned allied aircraft. We have, in one side, the hyper maneuvrable british planes, in another the hyper fast american planes, and just in the middle, a bunch of german/rusian/japanese fighters. I think that actual La5 can, at least, match, any actually modeled german fighter. So, IMHO, the 5/1 is not a so bad ratio for russian fighters in the main arena.
But talking about special events and potential HA, then I agree with you completely.
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Vermillion ,yah know I agree with you completely. That u Russkyi and Nippon flyers deserve more planes...but to ask them because LW has 5 planes...well man...is a little unfair.
As MANDOBLE said, Me109 series are or not enough competitive (F-4,G-2), or really devilish to fly (G-6 and G-10). Also are experten-only...and I am not (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif). Fw190A-8 is impossible to fly in co-E (and Nothing said about low-E) situations, and bleeds Energy FAST!. Fw190A-4 gives LW people a competitive plane under 20K (and with Typhoon incoming this is going to get REALLY interesting (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif))
I dont say you aren't right (you are) I say that the point to ask for more russian and Japanese planes is not exactly that German planeset is very big... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Ram, out
JG2 "Richthofen" (http://www.busprod.com/weazel2/)
(http://www.busprod.com/weazel2/images/Ram.gif)
[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 03-14-2000).]
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What MANDOBLE said.
Im really happy about this.Thx for info Pyro!
danish
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So it begins.
the "model my plane first" catfights.
FWIW, I'd like to see plenty o' Soviet planes, starting with the La-7.
Eastern front baby!
But you can't have that without a decent dogfightin' FW
[This message has been edited by Dinger (edited 03-14-2000).]
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MANDOBLE and danish,
You can't just say, I want FW190A5 because American planes are too fast and British are too manueverable. American planes had always been fast and British manueverable. And mark my word, A5 won't change things much in this respect - it's neither as fast American planes, nor as manueverable as British.
What makes sence, is that LW lacking in respect of capable late war fighter and I would much rather see an addition of 190D9 for this reason.
As for the A5, get it, just don't complain about how good/bad other planes are. My SpitIX will have no problem chewing it up anyway (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Originally posted by mx22:
MANDOBLE and danish,
You can't just say, I want FW190A5 because American planes are too fast and British are too manueverable.
Really I said I want that plane or that other???? Please, check my post again.
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Funny thing about the FW-190A-5. The Navy in Jan 24,1944 tested an Fw190-A5/U8 against a
F6F-3 and a F4U-1(No further designation given and no mention of water injection).
The results are very interesting.
I a climb the Fw-190 was superior to both Navy A/C. In speed the A5 was equal to the F6F at sea level at 334MPH and the F4U was 29MPH faster at 363MPH. At 25,000FT. the Fw190 was fastest at 410MPH with the F4U at 403MPH and the Hellcat at 391MPH. In rate of roll the Fw190 and F4U were considered even while the F6F was slower. "In maneuverablity there was no maneuver that the Fw190 could do that the Navy planes could not follow where as the German plane stalled when trying to follow the Navy A/C." As qouted from the pilots evaluation "In view of the fact that Fw190 can out run the Navy planes in a 160Knot or faster climbthe best solution for offense is to close with them so that the atvantage can be taken of there maneuverability, provided of course thatany intial advantage in altitude not be sacraficed merely for the sake of closing. When bieing attacked from astern the Fw190 can be expected to roll and dive out from attack. If attacked by the Fw190, the F4u and F6F-3 can be evade by the use of tight turns. When followed by the Fw190 the Navy A/C can evade by using tight loops. If the Fw190 attempts to follow the Navy A/C it stalls out. In general , whenever the hit and run techniques can not be employed the F4U and F6F should make every attempt to close with Fw190, in both offense and defense."
Visibility, "Vision was considered adequate but limited because the Fw190 low windscreen
extented only some six inches above the cowling contour: forward visionfrom the other two types-even the hose nose Corsair was found to be superior.Although rearward visibilty in the German fighter was found to be the best of the three."
There is more detail to this information but this is as much typing as I can take. If you want to argue these points the data is the
Smithsonian institute press. "Focke-Wulf Fw190 WorkHorse of the Luftwaffe"
ISBN #0-87474-885-2
Thanks F4UDOA
(Insert slogan here)
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Well, I stated from the start that it was a whine and a rant, no mistaking that.
Dinger, call it what you will. But I think your way off base. If the planesets were distributed even somewhat evenly you might have a real good arguement. But they're not, they are heavily skewed to American/German aircraft (and I'm even from the US).
And on a FYI personal note, look at my sig, the La7 is no where near "waw wawww I want my favorite modeled first". I personally want the Yak-9U. I mentioned the La7 because it is an easy to produce variant (equivalent effort to 190A5) that would help fill out the Russian planeset. Not my favorite in the least. If you don't believe me, read the La7 thread and my earlier comments there.
To the rest of the Guys:
No competitive planes? Whats the 109G10? I see an awful lot of them flying around and getting a hell of alot of kills. To me this is one of the 3 most deadly aircraft in the game.
But ok, some people didn't like it. No problem with that. They wanted "more Manueverable" and a "dogfighting 109". So you got the F4, G2, and the G6. But now people have learned that they aren't competitive with the late war rockets speedwise and can't TnB with the Spitfires, so they aren't happy with them and don't fly them.
So now the arguement is that you need a "competitive" Fw190 in the arena that can "dogfight". Sorry to burst your bubble, but while the A5 will be a Air to Air improvement, its not gonna be much better.
Its still gonna be a Fw190 with a nasty acceleratted stall characteristic. Its still gonna be slower than the Firebreathing speedsters (P-51 & G10), and less agile than the Spit IX, C.205, and P-38 Crowd.
Realistically you need the Fw190D9 to be competitive in the arena, and I myself would like to see it.
But to get back to the point.. Its easy to say that you don't like any of the German planes because none of them are just right for you. But consider the other pilots for a second who like something besides the same old same old, US/Brit vs Luftwaffe engagements.
We have NO choice when it comes to planes. You either fly the N1K2 (a fine plane, no arguements there), or you fly the La5FN a 1943 aircraft that 9 out of 10 pilots in AH will tell you is not generally competitive in the main arena and the stats prove this out quite evidently.
Fair is Fair. You might not like what you have, but you have a hell of alot more choice than the rest of us.
How would you feel if the only Luftwaffe aircraft in the game was the 109G6? And you were flying against P-51D's, P-47's, P-38L's, F4U's, Spit IX's, and everything else?
That is exactly what it is like for some of the rest of us. So maybe you can think about that before condemning me.
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
(http://web.mountain.net/~arringto/pics/yak3.jpg)
[This message has been edited by Vermillion (edited 03-14-2000).]
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Good post Vermillion!
MANDOBLE - Quote from your previous post:
"We have, in one side, the hyper maneuvrable british planes, in another the hyper fast american planes, and just in the middle, a bunch of german/rusian/japanese fighters."
This is the main part of your message I wrote a reply to. In regards of plane, since this is a discussion about Fw190A4-5 and you don't mention any FW190 in particular what else you wanted me to assume.
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Originally posted by mx22:
Since this is a discussion about Fw190A4-5 and you don't mention any FW190 in particular what else you wanted me to assume.
Assume simply that five german fighters do not have any real advantage over only one russian in the main arena.
But if you ask me directly about what do I preffer, then my answer is 190D9 and more jap fighters and bombers. Also the P47.
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*knock* *knock*.. spitfire XIV please ? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
preferably with bouble canopy (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Bartlomiej Rajewski
aka. Wing Commander fd-ski
Northolt Wing
1st Polish Fighter Wing
303 (Polish) Squadron "Kosciuszko" RAF
308 (Polish) Squadron "City of Cracow" RAF
315 (Polish) Squadron "City of Deblin" RAF
Turning 109s and 190s into scrap metal since 1998
If nothing makes you happier then burning 109 - come and join us - we're looking for few good men
Northolt Wing Headquarters (http://www.raf303.org/northolt/)
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WOA! This thread started with "I miss my rusty 190A-4" and ended with "I want my Spitfire XIV and my 190D-9". Ahhh, you'll never learn ....
And no, the A4/A5 wont change arena balance. And yes, wuerger pilots will have more fun during dogfights.
Gatt
4°Stormo CT
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Suddenly this resembles AGW at its worst.Im out :=(
Extending you might say ;=)
Good points all.
danish
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Originally posted by MANDOBLE:
Assume simply that five german fighters do not have any real advantage over only one russian in the main arena.
BF109G10 is one of the finest planes in the arena at the moment. Use it right and you will kill almost everyhting on your path. try to manuever with Spitfire and no matter what LW plane are you in, you dead. Just look at Hristo's record (125 kills to 11 death in G10)...
mx22
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Originally posted by fd ski:
*knock* *knock*.. spitfire XIV please ? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
preferably with bouble canopy (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
fd ski,
I was under impression all of MkXIV were with bubble canopy... I might be wrong though, gotta look in the book when I get home.
mx22
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mx22 - not all of them. Some were..
Danish - don't be so touchy.
Since people are asking for their favorite planes i just wanted to voice the fact that Spit 9 is 1943 bird and we could use early 1944 Spit 14 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) For play-balaning (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Bartlomiej Rajewski
aka. Wing Commander fd-ski
Northolt Wing
1st Polish Fighter Wing
303 (Polish) Squadron "Kosciuszko" RAF
308 (Polish) Squadron "City of Cracow" RAF
315 (Polish) Squadron "City of Deblin" RAF
Turning 109s and 190s into scrap metal since 1998
If nothing makes you happier then burning 109 - come and join us - we're looking for few good men
Northolt Wing Headquarters (http://www.raf303.org/northolt/)
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Fair point fd-ski, and whats more: I agree.
And yes I am getting touchy, nbd ;=)
danish
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There were normal and buble canopy IVXs just like IXs and XVIs..
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Pongo
The Wrecking Crew
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(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) ----> No sniveling! <---- (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Mino
The Wrecking Crew
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LOL! Mino (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Only problem is that it wasn't sniveling.
It was a full blown screaming yelling, lying on the floor, drumming your heels and pounding your fists, little kiddie squeak fit.
No arguements there.
But this little kiddie did have a valid point I think (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
(http://web.mountain.net/~arringto/pics/yak3.jpg)
[This message has been edited by Vermillion (edited 03-14-2000).]
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I don't know Fd-Ski, our Mk. IX seems to perform like a Mk. XIV sometimes. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Ok, that's it! Everybody's going to bed without any new planes! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations
No sniveling!
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Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaa!
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LOL! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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mp-ten
Lt. J.G. VF-100 "The Haze"
(http://personal.palouse.net/ferens/mp-ten.jpg)
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What I really want are:
C47A
F4U-1D
F4U-1C
c205V
La5FN
Spitfire V
Spitfire IX
Me109F4
Me109G2
Me109G6 (sorta)
Me109G10
FW190A8
P-51
P-38
N1K2J
B-17(G of course)
B-26B
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