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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Andy Bush on May 13, 2001, 09:55:00 PM
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There was a new program on the History Channel tonight...on the P-47 in the
last days of WW2 in Germany. All color film...a lot of gun camera stuff.
None of which I had ever seen before. It's a 'gotta see'. Check your
listings for a repeat.
Andy
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Saw it, excellent (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
War is hell. This just showed a small portion of that hell. I was struck by the fact that near the end, in the target of opportunity portion of the war, that pilots had second thoughts but did their job anyway.
The pilots were very open in their interviews regarding their thoughts, no phoney stuff, just grit.
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dang!
Anyone from finland have this on film?
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Did it show any footage of P-47s shooting down RAF Typhoons - because there sure was alot of that.
Apparently, the typhoon and FW-190 look very similar despite the typhoon being much, much bigger and all the stripes and other identifying marks.
In one instance, a very pissed off RAF Wing Commander telephoned the squadron commander of a nearby P-47 unit, after his typhoons were attacked by P-47s. The American answered:
"You think you've got problems; I've just been shot down by one of my own men!"
But apparently Spitfire pilots had the same problem. There were plenty of instances of Typhoons dog-fighting with spitfires.
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There was also problems with these "ferry bombings" from England to Russian bases(Poltava etc.) and then back.One instance was that the escorting P51D's attacked Russian La5FN's which were coming to relieve the P51's.In the ensuing dogfight 3 Mustangs were downed and 1 US pilot killed(plane exploded) to 0 losses of Russian La5's.
It was found out after the fight that US pilots mistook the La5's as FW190's and decided to attack.Sadly enough the leader of the P51's was killed (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
Maybe the too aggressive attitude and urge to kill a Jerry caused this and recognition was done badly or not at all...Shoot first then ask (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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DB603
3.Lentue
Lentolaivue 34 (http://www.muodos.fi/LLv34/)
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Originally posted by DB603:
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There was also problems with these "ferry bombings" from England to Russian bases(Poltava etc.) and then back.One instance was that the escorting P51D's attacked Russian La5FN's which were coming to relieve the P51's.In the ensuing dogfight 3 Mustangs were downed and 1 US pilot killed(plane exploded) to 0 losses of Russian La5's.
It was found out after the fight that US pilots mistook the La5's as FW190's and decided to attack.Sadly enough the leader of the P51's was killed (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
Maybe the too aggressive attitude and urge to kill a Jerry caused this and recognition was done badly or not at all...Shoot first then ask (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
What is your source for this story? There are no records of American P-51 fighters lost in combat with Soviet fighters during any of the "Frantic" missions.
Another point: Soviet fighters did not relieve the American escorts. Those Mustangs and P-38s flew escort all the way to the Soviet airfields. There is one documented instance of a gaggle of Soviet Yaks (descriptions of Soviet formations picture the Russians as flying in disorganized herds, with the general concensus being that a Soviet formation consisted of two or more aircraft flying in the same general direction at the same time of day) venturing too close to the B-17s, only to have a squadron of Mustangs tear through their formation (sic) at high speed, scattering the
Russians. Later, the local Soviet commander protested the "bounce" to the senior American officer. The American officer reminded the Russian that the agreement with
the Soviets required VVS aircraft to remain well away from the bombers to prevent a friendly fire incident. Soviet aircraft that approached the bombers, did so at their own risk as the bomber gunners would fire on anything suspicious or not readily identified.
For the record, 22 La-9 and La-11 fighters were destroyed by F-51 and F-82 Mustangs (without loss) over Korea, all engagements occurring below 20,000 feet.
My regards,
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Widewing..this was during one of those "Frantic" missions.I must dig up the info and show this was no BS I just made up.Just gimme a couple of days will Ya?
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DB603
3.Lentue
Lentolaivue 34 (http://www.muodos.fi/LLv34/)
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Loved the gun footage.
A little cart being pushed by horses... ratatatatattata SPLAT- horse chunk flies upwards... strafing continues..
whoohooo
WE NEED HORSES MODELED IN AH!
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About 20 years ago, my dad would sometimes bring home a film from the embassy film vault(he was the air attache to France). It was about the P47's in ETO. It was mostly black and white gun camera footage, and it showed some awesome shoot downs, train busting and airfield strafing. Also had some great footage of P47's jousting with flak towers. It was ubelieveable how low they would get on the deck when hitting the airfields. It think it was called "Thunderbolt". I'll see if he can remember the name of the film. I would rate it better than this latest show, as far as the gun camera footage goes.
Another cool film he would bring home was called "Thud Ridge". It was about the F105's in SEA. It was on par with the Thunderbold film. Come to think of it, they may have both been made by Republic Aircraft Co.
StuB
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Originally posted by Dowding:
Did it show any footage of P-47s shooting down RAF Typhoons - because there sure was alot of that.
Apparently, the typhoon and FW-190 look very similar despite the typhoon being much, much bigger and all the stripes and other identifying marks.
In one instance, a very pissed off RAF Wing Commander telephoned the squadron commander of a nearby P-47 unit, after his typhoons were attacked by P-47s. The American answered:
"You think you've got problems; I've just been shot down by one of my own men!"
But apparently Spitfire pilots had the same problem. There were plenty of instances of Typhoons dog-fighting with spitfires.
That is because their icons were undermodeled!!!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
Mav (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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lol Mav. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I guess friendly fire is always a hazard; assuming the yanks weren't all testosterone pumped gung-ho types ( (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)) it must have been pretty difficult to make any kind of instant identification of aircraft.
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NAPLAM - Love the smell of burning ostwinds in the morning.
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LOL!!! Napalm, dweebwinds, I love it.
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