Aces High Bulletin Board
Special Events Forums => Friday Squad Operations => Topic started by: FiLtH on September 04, 2009, 11:54:22 AM
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Personally Im not a fan of GVs in AH and prefer to spend FSOs in aircraft. May I suggest you poll the participants for an up to date survey of what they prefer to do in FSOs. I like the night to flow from beginning to end in 1 ride, without it broken up by these short GV bits.
Secondly on a side note, too many objectives can delute the event by spreading out players to a point where you can risk inactivity at certain points.
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Secondly on a side note, too many objectives can delute the event by spreading out players to a point where you can risk inactivity at certain points.
Not to mention REALLY spreading resources thin.
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Not to mention REALLY spreading resources thin.
Was the Cic for the first gv involved fso. Didnt go so smooth, with a total reset. However, the cm's have tweeked it a bit where the scenarios are working. I like the combination of air and ground. My squad has a mixture of pilots and tankers, We like the (whole thing), as long as the gvs have 1 life as a gv, makes for a good little battle...
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I have zero interest in gv'ing during FSO.
Honestly, I think air-combat in FSO stretches the limits of "historical," while GV battles aren't even close.
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I enjoy GV's in fso :salute as far as historicial and evenly balanced not so much. but like anything I hope its a work in process. and :salute cm staff for your work
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I have zero interest in gv'ing during FSO.
+1
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A point to consider about the objectives. With the old 32 plane limit, and over 500 registered participants in FSO, there were numerous complaints about aircraft just suddenly appearing out of nowhere. To alleviate the old issue, it was best to have enough objectives so that only 30 or 40 players would be at any one of them.
With the current version of Aces High the number has increased to 64 players within 3,000 yards that will allow for more players to be in one area. However, this is new, and it's better to be cautious with the objectives in case there are performance issues with that many planes close together.
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I have zero interest in gv'ing during FSO.
+1 :aok
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Ok well two things, first off we have 400+ players. 12 targets makes that 33 a/c over each. More like 35+ since we had @440 on tonight. Too few targets and we get horrendous blobs over certain areas. 6 per side is reasonable with this many players, and more coming, 2 more squads will be on in frames 2 and 3, FB and II/JG27.
GVs. If I dont include them I get asked "how come no GVs". If I include them I get complaints about GVs. :rolleyes:
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I wouldn't mind GV'ing in and FSO battle such as the one we had tonight. I as well wouldn't want to be in one for the duration of an FSO or Scenario, but some time in them every now and again I wouldn't mind. And as long as its kept to 30-45 mins tops in them its not bad.
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GVs. If I dont include them I get asked "how come no GVs". If I include them I get complaints about GVs. :rolleyes:
Everyone wants the 'total war' scenario type event but no one wants to be in the GV. I drive a tank like Stevie Wonder with an inner ear infection and a bad case of the shakes, I'd be a better target than a tanker. When I do tank, I drive a M8 around and plink tanks at point blank range, heck, I've done that in jeeps before and its great fun.
Why couldn't you gents incorporate a HMS event into the FSO? At the very least. make the tankers operate outside the limitations based on squadron limitation and act independently? This way you can get the dedicated tankers in AH in the event that don't take part in the FSO on the squadron level.
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Why couldn't you gents incorporate a HMS event into the FSO? At the very least. make the tankers operate outside the limitations based on squadron limitation and act independently? This way you can get the dedicated tankers in AH in the event that don't take part in the FSO on the squadron level.
If I read you correctly you mean while FSO is on going? You would have to assign someone on each side to organize them into temporary squad. And these 2 would be expected to make sure the GVs do not interfere with the regular FSO event with no real power to do so.
Walk-on/Registered Squads Only rules are the key to maintaining any kind of order in FSO.
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Why couldn't you gents incorporate a HMS event into the FSO?
The big problem here is one of preparation. Should the Admin CM design the event not knowing whether or not there will be adequate attendence by the GV force? It takes some time to setup rules and a frame architecture to support vehicles. I'm not going to spend that time without knowing that GV's will be used or not. Second, FSO does not take walk-on players because of the planning that CICs must do to support the frame. The side orders support everyone's game-play in FSO; they do not act merely as a regulator for one side or the other. Whomever is in GV's during FSO needs to be subject to those orders so that the ground action compliments the air action. If it merely "exists" during the air action, why even have it?
Personally, I'd like to always be flying a fighter in FSO--I don't like bombers and I don't much want to GV. I fly bombers and GVs in FSO because they're part of the event, necessary sometimes, and if my squad wants to participate, we have to be willing to participate in all aspects of the event. However, there is a large portion of the FSO community that does like GVs and have been pushing to have them included in the event. The FSO team has been attempting to oblige them and do it in a way that makes the ground fight complimentary to the air fight. We'll continue to do so.
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Everyone wants the 'total war' scenario type event
Not I. I'm happy with aircraft only.
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There has always been a split re GVs in FSO, and other SEA events. Thats not likely to ever change either. Some setups have them, some dont. In fairness, this is the 1st FSO I have done that has GVs, so its not like they are always included <shrug>.
I have reduced just slightly the mins for the GVs, so im hoping that those that want to GV can get in, while maybe leaving out those that really dont. In addition there should be a squad or two more for frames 2 and 3. That should increase the # of a/c as well.
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Speaking for the 325th VFG as a whole we like the GV battles. Not every week but we get them about once or twice a year and we love the battles. Our turn outs tend to be high also for them. I can say that the most intense fighting takes place in the GV battles from a minute vs. minute stand point of the FSO in general. As an example we had the GV's for Frame 01 and it was none stop fighting for 30 minutes as we maneuvered and slugged it out in a small area. Aireal battles "generally" last about 15 minutes at best with the first 5 minutes being coordinated.
The GV battles are not large nor do they take away from the frame in my opinion. If the GV battle wasn't there all there would be is another airial objective.
I totally get some of the comments above and if you were on the receiving end of a bad GV battle that is unfortunate. I have been in 4 to date with 3 out of the 4 being great missions. Hand sore form gripping the joystick and voice horse from calling out orders for 60 minutes.
What makes or breaks the GV battles is the terrain, plan and coordination between the squads which is more critical than in a air battle. The desert terrains or more wide open terrains are the best for tank battles otherwise you end up with hide and go seek in the trees and anyone can hit a tank at 100M like some of the first GV battle were. Now the GV battles require good planning and coordination along with thought on base capture, recapture and re-recapture options.
CM's: Keep the GV's battles we say. Sprinkle them in on the scenario's with historical's ties as it makes sense like you have been doing. Carefully choice terrain that provides for an even match up. Select tanks and supporting vehicles that are evenly matched. Keep the size of the battle at the same level. In otherwords..... Don't change a thing.
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I got bored to tears last night, Couldn't play with my normal FSO squad, felt like a 5th wheel in the other squad, when I was killed in the tank, I sat in the tower for a while, made a grilled cheese sandwich, came back and logged. Didn't know what the goal of the plane mission was and felt there was no time to even develop the mission.
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Gotta admit, I had my apprehensions about driving GVs in FSO.
Knowing that I'll probably meet a swift demise at the hands of more qualified GV drivers, I figured it'd be a quick death.. about the same as me vs. anybody else in fighters.
So.. as there are those that absolutely despise bombers as they don't fly them or use them very often, so it is for GVs.
Turns out it was pretty intense. Can't expect to be a dominating force if one doesn't drive them regularly. Gives us something to practice anyway.
GVs accommodate another sub-culture of the AH community. As more lessons are learned on how to use them in FSO, the better the experience will become.
Thanks for the opportunities!
:salute
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I don't really agree with many of the previous posts. Although I play Aces High for the airplanes and I'm not really of fan of GV battles, last night was fun. I suspect that if my squad had been assigned to just GVs for last night's event, many who would have stayed away. As it was we only spent half of the night in GVs and then flew a fighter sweep. Thanks to planning by the squad COs in the ground attack people understood our objectives and the battle went well. Those who died stayed around for the fighter sweep which evolved into a great dog fight.
I'm not saying that we should use GVs in every FSO event but I wouldn't mind seeing a few set up like last night's event a couple times a year.
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The most fun FSO that I was ever involved in was the battle of the Bulge last year. Why was it so fun, becouse after atacking my target with an A20 (I think it was an airfield), I got to rearm and help my buddies that got shot down, fighting in the GV battle. I was very immersive in that I was flying supporting ground units calling in attacks from me, while I'm trying to keep an eye out and occasionally dodge a 109 or 190 either doing ground atack itself or trying to kill me. Then trying to go back and rearm, without getiing vulched on the re-arm pad, in case you parked at a base too close. Was great fun and a lot of squaddies agree with me on that scenario being one of the best as far as fun.
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BigRat
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Yah,Big Rat
That was a wild ride. Had a P47 loaded to the gills myself.
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After thinking it over today (We have Getback in lane 1 doing the backstroke) It wasn't bad. I should have taken it upon myself to better informed. I do thank the 325th for allowing me to join their squad. I sincerely appreciate it. :salute
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:salute Your very welcome sir.