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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: shifty95 on September 06, 2009, 07:53:40 AM
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one of the only jappanesse planes that was armored. compared to other jap planes, this is less manuverable, but more powerful. it had four 20 mm cannons. it's main purpose was as an interceptor, it was very effective against the B-29, and was the only jap plane that could reach the altitudes of the B-29. a stubby little thing, kinda looks like a jug, but i love this aircraft.
here's some images:
http://gunpoint-3d.com/view-Raiden.f.html
http://www.largescaleplanes.com/reviews/Kits/WW2/Revell/Raiden/Raiden.html
apparently, most of the links to this plane are to websites of model kits, so this must be a popular model plane.
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I like it :aok
General characteristics
Crew: one, pilot
Length: 9.70 m (32 ft 8 in)
Wingspan: 10.80 m (35 ft 5 in)
Height: 3.81 m (13 ft 0 in)
Wing area: 20 m² (216 ft²)
Empty weight: 2,839 kg (6,259 lb)
Loaded weight: 3,482 kg (7,676 lb)
Powerplant: 1× One 1,820hp Mitsubishi MK4R-A Kasei 23a 14-cylinder two-row radal, 1,358 kW (1,820 hp)
Performance
Maximum speed: 612 km/h (332 kn, 382 mph)
Range: 560 km (302 nmi, 348 mi)
Service ceiling: 11,250 m (36,910 ft)
Rate of climb: 1,170 m/min (3,838 ft/min)
Wing loading: 174 kg/m² (35 lb/ft²)
Power/mass: 0.39 kW/kg (0.24 hp/lb)
Armament
Guns: 4 × 20 mm Type 99-2 cannons in the wings, two in each wing, inboard guns having 190 rpg, outboard guns 210 rpg.
Ordinance: 2 × 60 kg (132 lb) bombs or 2 × 200 L (53 US gal) drop tanks.
(http://www.warbirdphotographs.com/NavyJB&W2/J2M-62s.jpg)
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Eventually, maybe, but the Ki-43, G4M, and maybe even Ki-45 are all much more important gap-fillers.
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Together with the Ki-44, this should be on top of the japanese AC priority list.
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shifty93,
Most Japanese aircraft were roughly as armored as their western counterparts. The only unarmored ones we have in AH are the A6Ms, D3A and B5N, all of which are early designs. All later Japanese aircraft included various levels of protection. The Ki-43 would also be completely unprotected as would the G4M1 or G4M2, though Mitsubishi protested this but was overruled by the Navy's desire to get ludicrous range on a twin engined bomber. The A7M, B6N, B7A, D4Y, H8K, J2M, Ki-44, Ki-61, Ki-67, Ki-84, Ki-100, Ki-102, N1K and P1Y were all protected.
Also, keep in mind that the Bf109s and Hurricanes in the Battle of France and earlier were also completely unarmored.
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The A7M, B6N, B7A, D4Y, H8K, J2M, Ki-44, Ki-61, Ki-67, Ki-84, Ki-100, Ki-102, N1K and P1Y were all protected.
If the N1K, and the Ki-84 we have are armored the Japanese didn't do a very good job at it. They both seem to fall apart at just the muzzle flash from my 109K4... :lol
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If the N1K, and the Ki-84 we have are armored the Japanese didn't do a very good job at it. They both seem to fall apart at just the muzzle flash from my 109K4... :lol
Don't be an idiot. The 30mm does that to everything with one engine. The Ki-84 is significantly tougher than a Spitfire for example.
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Don't be an idiot. The 30mm does that to everything with one engine. The Ki-84 is significantly tougher than a Spitfire for example.
LOL, but the spit seems to be able to take 2 30mm if you hit it a certain way. So I think the spit has the uber armor lol.
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LOL, but the spit seems to be able to take 2 30mm if you hit it a certain way. So I think the spit has the uber armor lol.
If you look at the Spit's armor and the Ki-84's armor they are basically the same. In addition, in AH, the Ki-84 retains its wings under far more punishment than will a Spitfire. Many players have commented that the Ki-84 is actually fairly tough. Your 30mm cannon is not a good tool to detect differences in durability.
Also, don't mistake armor for structural strength. The A6M series is quite strong structurally, but lacks armor to protect the pilot, fuel tanks or engine. You can put armor on a fighter and still have it break up under machine gun fire. Imagine a Ki-43 with pilot armor and self sealing tanks, that would hardly fix, and might worsen, its structural deficiencies.
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+1 Add it!
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one of the only jappanesse planes that was armored. compared to other jap planes, this is less manuverable, but more powerful. it had four 20 mm cannons. it's main purpose was as an interceptor, it was very effective against the B-29, and was the only jap plane that could reach the altitudes of the B-29. a stubby little thing, kinda looks like a jug, but i love this aircraft.
here's some images:
http://gunpoint-3d.com/view-Raiden.f.html
http://www.largescaleplanes.com/reviews/Kits/WW2/Revell/Raiden/Raiden.html
apparently, most of the links to this plane are to websites of model kits, so this must be a popular model plane.
How about you say "jap" again.
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How about you say "jap" again.
is that a bad word or something? it wont let me say it on fighter ace.
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It's not PC and considered derogatory nowadays.
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wouldn't this be the German Ta-152?
Like to see this then these whinny cupcakes wont cry about never killing a B-29 when we get it.
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It's not PC and considered derogatory nowadays.
It's okay you can still say Yank, Kraut, and Brit, though.
Not even close to a TA 152 Oaktree.
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How about you say "jap" again.
What're you gonna do about it? Hunt him down in your little spixteen? Get over it, its called an abreviation.
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wouldn't this be the German Ta-152?
Like to see this then these whinny cupcakes wont cry about never killing a B-29 when we get it.
The Ta-152 is way faster at altitude than this thing is and it only carries 4 20mm cannons while the 152 carries 2 20mm and a spud gun.
Besides, we're not getting the B-29 for a LOOOOOOOOOONG time.
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What're you gonna do about it? Hunt him down in your little spixteen? Get over it, its called an abreviation.
Actually, no, it isn't. It is a racial slur. The abbreviation is JP.
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What're (What are) you gonna do about it? Hunt him down in your little spixteen? Get over it, its called an abreviation (abbreviation).
Japanese isn't a very long word, and "jap" isn't meant as an abbreviation, it's meant as a racial word. And no, I prefer the Yak. Plus, I belive only racists use racial slur too. One more thing, think before you type, it helps.
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Actually, no, it isn't. It is a racial slur. The abbreviation is JP.
Hehe, wondering if anyone was gonna catch that. But come on, people are WAY to sensitive now a days.
JAP, JAP, JAP, JAP, JAP, JAP, JAP. Get over it, bunch a cry babies.
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Oh i can see skuzzy closing this topic now.
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Japanese isn't a very long word, and "jap" isn't meant as an abbreviation, it's meant as a racial word. And no, I prefer the Yak. Plus, I belive only racists use racial slur too. One more thing, think before you type, it helps.
geez people, i meant it as an abreviation. lets focus on the plane, instead of freakin out about a word that i didnt even think was bad. what, you want to ban the word kraut too?
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geez people, i meant it as an abreviation. lets focus on the plane, instead of freakin out about a word that i didnt even think was bad. what, you want to ban the word kraut too?
You know what, since everyone is so damn sensitive these days why don't we have a poll on what words we should ban because people don't like them or consider them "hurtful." I vote for the word "the" (even though I just used it) because I never have liked it.
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Japanese isn't a very long word, and "jap" isn't meant as an abbreviation, it's meant as a racial word. And no, I prefer the Yak. Plus, I belive only racists use racial slur too. One more thing, think before you type, it helps.
Jap is only a racial slur when used in the right context. EX. I DONT WANT NO DAM JAPS LIVIN NEXT TO ME!! (uttered by my drunk grandpa)
But in the context he used it it serves as an abbreviation for the word japanese, and japanese is a long word for the internet.
Its just much easier to forget about racial contexts and remember the word as an abbreviation, like it is meant to be!
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This is crazy
J2m would be a great addition, as for the jap thing, really, are we gunna pick up the turd by the clean end. I would hate to take offense at people calling me an Aussie or an ocker, watermelon I'll even take Yobbo square on the chin.
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geez people, i meant it as an abreviation. lets focus on the plane, instead of freakin out about a word that i didnt even think was bad. what, you want to ban the word kraut too?
Yes, I could tell how you meant it, which is why I didn't comment on it in response to your OP. If you'd had anything against the Japanese you'd hardly have been saying you loved the J2M3. :P
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This thread will be dead by tomorrow morning.
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You know what, since everyone is so damn sensitive these days why don't we have a poll on what words we should ban because people don't like them or consider them "hurtful." I vote for the word "the" (even though I just used it) because I never have liked it.
No, they're only selectively sensitive as a means of attacking Western Euro-based people and their culture.
Slurs against the Anglo-Irish ethnicity are widely tolerated.
My take: if we're so bad, best not to push it or we'll really give you something to whine about. It's likely either that or next thing you know, people who didn't perpetrate slavery will be providing 40 acres and a Lexus to those who didn't suffer from it.
It's just a matter of how much you allow allegations of racism to browbeat you into abject submission - a submission that couldn't otherwise be achieved, given that the Western culture, which now includes the Japanese (one of whom is my wife) is globally dominant and not a far cry from the Industrial Rev/ Capitalist model founded in Western Europe.
Most of this crap is made up by a bunch of grievance industry comsymps anyway - usually as justification for this or that transfer payment.
Someday, chips down...
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Yes, of course... I laughed, I cried, I coughed up a piece of lung.
You can blame me for the reductio ad absurdum but it was the Zeke jockey who first derailed the thing.
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Besides, if all AHII threads cannot be tied to the purpose of killing communists, then what good is AHII? :salute
Now, let's all join in a rousing salute to Curtis Lemay, my rendition of "the Horst Wessel Song"...
The communist will appear to you in many guises. You must learn to sniff him out. Ultimately, at the end of every path he lays before you will be a redistributive scheme; one that steals the life and time of the fit to enable the dysfunctional. Think about it.
Fluoridation is redistributive at its heart and so is the mohair subsidy that has dogged us long since we've even had a goating industry. These are all schemes designed, root and branch, to infringe.
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Yes, of course... I laughed, I cried, I coughed up a piece of lung.
You can blame me for the reductio ad absurdum but it was the Zeke jockey who first derailed the thing.
I enjoyed your reply. After reading it I'm suprised you missed the Unit791's signature though. ;)
Back on track..... I'm all for the addition of all Jap fighters from WWII that were operational. Many badly needed airframes in the Japanese list.
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Besides, if all AHII threads cannot be tied to the purpose of killing communists, then what good is AHII? :salute
Now, let's all join in a rousing salute to Curtis Lemay, my rendition of "the Horst Wessel Song"...
The communist will appear to you in many guises. You must learn to sniff him out. Ultimately, at the end of every path he lays before you will be a redistributive scheme; one that steals the life and time of the fit to enable the dysfunctional. Think about it.
Fluoridation is redistributive at its heart and so is the mohair subsidy that has dogged us long since we've even had a goating industry. These are all schemes designed, root and branch, to infringe.
Where did that come from?
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No, they're only selectively sensitive as a means of attacking Western Euro-based people and their culture.
Slurs against the Anglo-Irish ethnicity are widely tolerated.
My take: if we're so bad, best not to push it or we'll really give you something to whine about. It's likely either that or next thing you know, people who didn't perpetrate slavery will be providing 40 acres and a Lexus to those who didn't suffer from it.
It's just a matter of how much you allow allegations of racism to browbeat you into abject submission - a submission that couldn't otherwise be achieved, given that the Western culture, which now includes the Japanese (one of whom is my wife) is globally dominant and not a far cry from the Industrial Rev/ Capitalist model founded in Western Europe.
Most of this crap is made up by a bunch of grievance industry comsymps anyway - usually as justification for this or that transfer payment.
Someday, chips down...
You're loony.
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No, they're only selectively sensitive as a means of attacking Western Euro-based people and their culture.
Slurs against the Anglo-Irish ethnicity are widely tolerated.
My take: if we're so bad, best not to push it or we'll really give you something to whine about. It's likely either that or next thing you know, people who didn't perpetrate slavery will be providing 40 acres and a Lexus to those who didn't suffer from it.
It's just a matter of how much you allow allegations of racism to browbeat you into abject submission - a submission that couldn't otherwise be achieved, given that the Western culture, which now includes the Japanese (one of whom is my wife) is globally dominant and not a far cry from the Industrial Rev/ Capitalist model founded in Western Europe.
Most of this crap is made up by a bunch of grievance industry comsymps anyway - usually as justification for this or that transfer payment.
Someday, chips down...
:aok
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Honestly if someone saying "Jap" in the context it was used here offends you, your wayyyy to sensitive for the internet, and life in general.
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I simply got more of a vibe that he was using it in the context that a 1942 American would.
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I simply got more of a vibe that he was using it in the context that a 1942 American would.
well......................... ........
what is your point? this is, after all, a bunch of grown men, and squeekers, pretending to be ace pilots in WW2, right?
if you guys are going to completely ignore my suggested plane to freak out because I said jap, well, shut up, you jap/kraut/ruskie/otto/brit/frenchie/yankee/hillbilly. nuff said.
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You're loony.
Sure, it's not as if the US Government resdistributes vast largess to a mewling contingent of squeaky wheels. Yep, I'm loony.
It's not as if that's been the historical spiral of all democracies going back to Athens.
Yep, crazy as a scheissehaus rat.
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Where did that come from?
Think of it as a quote from Gen. Jack Ripper. That's all.
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I enjoyed your reply. After reading it I'm suprised you missed the Unit791's signature though. ;)
Back on track..... I'm all for the addition of all Jap fighters from WWII that were operational. Many badly needed airframes in the Japanese list.
Miss a quote from Steel Joe? No. Indeed, that's part of why I launched my screed. I smelled grievance-peddlin' redistributionist. Which is not to say Unit isn't a fine gent. Opinions are typically only as good as information.
His mind may have been poisoned by means of an alien anal probe or some other "third way" Trojan horse.
As for the Jap fighters, Sakae flew the Raiden late in the war, at least according to his autobio. I'm all in favor of it's addition.
At the same time, how can anyone actually be AGAINST the addition of any period aircraft? Hell, I'd like to see a '46 Arena where all the coulda' shoulda' woulda a/c could play. Meteor versus Horten 229...why not?
I'd really love to see some more of the Italian stuff (G.55, etc) added. More significantly, though, why no Yak-3? It was widely feared/respected by the LW.
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Only glanced though this thread but, if I get the jist of it, the J2M3 is a racist communist plane? Or did I miss something?
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Close.
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This thread will be dead by tomorrow morning.
And yet, IT LIVES!!
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Oh, by the way...
yes. :aok
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The term JAP is certainly more "pc" then bombing a Navy base on an early Sunday morning. F the Japs.
QUOTE ME, BAN ME, I don't care. And if some Jap has issue with that............I have issue with you before I said it. So does my dead uncle. F them.
It's not PC and considered derogatory nowadays.
And Jap isn't even that negative unless you're a shallow underachiever. NIP, on the other hand..............
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LLogan,
<S> to your uncle and I thank him for his service.
That said, you are seriously out of line in your thinking. It is a slur. This is not up for dispute. It has been and still is used as a slur. The Japanese that attacked Pearl and those that killed your uncle are not the Japanese that play this game and never were the Americans of Japanese ancestry to whom the slur is usually directed.
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Bad Day Karnak......... You are right sir.
But you are all allowed to call me a Krut, Mick, Guinea any time you want as that doesn't offend me. Sicilian, German, Irish I am.
Does anybody remember "sticks and stones?" Seems these days names do hurt people more then the sticks and the stones............ That is truly sad.
LLogan,
<S> to your uncle and I thank him for his service.
That said, you are seriously out of line in your thinking. It is a slur. This is not up for dispute. It has been and still is used as a slur. The Japanese that attacked Pearl and those that killed your uncle are not the Japanese that play this game and never were the Americans of Japanese ancestry to whom the slur is usually directed.
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I wouldn't call you those things and would take anybody to task for doing so. Some things are ok, Brit for example is used as an affectionate slang term for British people. We have had Japanese players request that the term not be used. In the end it is up to you, no doubt about that, I just think being polite is not unreasonable. And no, I don't try to get people banned over this stuff.
I am an American, which means a mutt pretty much. My ancestors were Finnish, German, English and maybe some French.
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Bad Day Karnak......... You are right sir.
But you are all allowed to call me a Krut, Mick, Guinea any time you want as that doesn't offend me. Sicilian, German, Irish I am.
Does anybody remember "sticks and stones?" Seems these days names do hurt people more then the sticks and the stones............ That is truly sad.
Agreed, Karnak's argument might hold water were it not for the flagrant double standard. True, the Japanese that bombed PH no longer exist. Likewise, I challenge you to find me a modern AfAm victim of slavery - or, indeed, any systematic racism.
As I say, slurs regarding the Anglo-Irish ethnicity are considered tolerable, generally. Anyone get all up in arms about the names Mick or Limey or WASP?
But then, there's no grievance money in getting all bent about that. OTOH, if you're of a different ethnicity, there is a significant market in being aggrieved. It's a market that was created in US Civil Court and by the system of Federal purchasing and guidelines. Indeed, even here at FoMoCo, we follow certain guidelines w/r allocating purchasing contracts to minority/women owned companies. That's not exactly grievance market, but many civil cases are.
And I'm a loony.
Nope. Sorry. There's a whole world out here of which you are blithely unaware, apparently.
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5 are still alive. 3 from Hiryu, 1 from Soryu, 1 from Kaga
True, the Japanese that bombed PH no longer exist.
Although I do hold a grudge.... This is certainly not the place for it and I do respect present day Japanese folk.......... In game though, I can't help but be in a WWII frame of mind. I do not fly Japanese aircraft unless it is FSO. I will go after the niki before the 109. Rook and Knit cv's all show a Rising Sun on their decks in my eyes.
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Son of a Bish...
My GF was a Naval Commander ( a surgeon, though, not a combatant, per se) in the SoPac. He knew MacArthur. He took a sword, somewhere (I think Tarawa), from a dead Japanese officer. He also saw a friend vaporized by a mortar shell. He didn't hate the Japanese either - though I'm sure he hated that war and those that made it happen.
I sort of figured it karma, then, that my Dad (he was a USAF Captain, but a dentist) and Mom lived in Japan - and had a daughter there - from '58-61. Completing the circle, I married a Japanese woman (from Tokyo, naturally).
I totally understand your position. I don't think it racist at all to use the term. In deference to a friend, I might refrain, though. Perhaps we give the Zeke jock a break if he finds it hurtful. That's where I'm at. There's, imj, no serious moral implication to using the term and no associated liability.
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Agreed, Karnak's argument might hold water were it not for the flagrant double standard. True, the Japanese that bombed PH no longer exist. Likewise, I challenge you to find me a modern AfAm victim of slavery - or, indeed, any systematic racism.
It is a very complicated subject. This really isn't the place to discuss it, but I will simply say it is a matter of being polite. If Japanese people have said it is offensive to them, then out of politeness if nothing else, we shouldn't use it. Nor should we use derogatory terms for Irish, Germans or anybody else. Just to be polite.
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It is a very complicated subject. This really isn't the place to discuss it, but I will simply say it is a matter of being polite. If Japanese people have said it is offensive to them, then out of politeness if nothing else, we shouldn't use it. Nor should we use derogatory terms for Irish, Germans or anybody else. Just to be polite.
Agreed on the last point - and as in my former post - it's the same reason I won't call an old guy a geezer if he doesn't like it.
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I would be far more upset with someone calling me a Liberal than a Kraut or a Mick or a whatever ( im a bit of each ). It's odd you mention racial commentaries and how it's always been OK to slam Whites. However, that "HONKY" thing never did catch on.
Anyway, I'd love to see more "Asian Style" aircraft. But I'd like to see more Wo.... er Italian aircraft too. :lol
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5 are still alive. 3 from Hiryu, 1 from Soryu, 1 from Kaga
Although I do hold a grudge.... This is certainly not the place for it and I do respect present day Japanese folk.......... In game though, I can't help but be in a WWII frame of mind. I do not fly Japanese aircraft unless it is FSO. I will go after the niki before the 109. Rook and Knit cv's all show a Rising Sun on their decks in my eyes.
for me, the decks of enemy cv's have a giant rook on it. but i get what your saying. i hate going after american aircraft, and i would rather kill a zero than a 190. but thats just because the zero is more dangerous in a dogfight, and easier to kill. Thank you, poor japanesse engineering!