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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Karnak on November 17, 2000, 11:37:00 PM
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When I consider all things, what I think would be most useful in the MA, what I think is fair for the various nationalities and what I would personally use, I came up with these:
Iluyshin Il-2 Type 3M
Kawanishi H8K2 "Emily"
Savoia-Marchetti S.M.79-II
Messerschmitt Me410A
DeHaviland Mosquito B.MkIX
The Il-2 Type 3M I would use for all ground attack missions. With its guns, either two 23mm or two 37mm, and its loadout of 2x250kg bombs, 4x132mm rockets or 192x2.5kg PTAB anti-tank bomblets it would be the ultimate ground attack aircraft. It is also tough enough and maneuverable enough to have a chance against fighters. It would add a dedicated ground attack aircraft to AH (which the Typhoon is not). And lastly, it would add to the Russian list of aircraft.
I would use the H8K2 "Emily" as both an Axis bomber and torpedo plane. It brings a tough, well defended, 4 engined Axis aircraft into the game. The Emily's armament of 5 20mm cannon as well as multiple smaller guns plus the fact that it has good self sealing tanks and armor for the engines and all crew members means that it would probably replace the B-17G as the nastiest bomber to attack. It would, of course, also add a multi engined Japanese aircraft that, unlike the G4M "Betty", is not cannon-fodder.
I have to admit that I am extremely unlikely to fly the S.M.79-II. However it is only fair to add a multi-engined Italian aircraft to AH. I selected the 79-II because it has both bomb and torpedo capability while the 79-III only has torpedo capability.
The Me410A would be an extremely versatile aircraft that could serve in many, many ways. Just think of all the loadouts it had. I shudder to think of what the loadout selection screen would look like. I would fly this aircraft occasionally. It would add a good heavy Luftwaffe fighter to AH.
The Mosquito B.MkIX would act as a fast manuverable light bomber. Although it is unarmed, it could fly at 425mph and carry a single 4,000lb "cookie". It would also be easy to do other versions once this aircraft was added. With the addition of this aircraft the RAF's three main successes would be present; Spitfire, Mosquito and Lancaster. I would definitely fly this aircraft.
I opted against the Aichi B7A2 Ryusei "Grace" and the Tupolev Tu-2 because I feel that they are too good. With the addition of the B7A2, why ever take a TBF Avenger in the MA? With the addition of the Tu-2, why ever take a B-26B?
Try to pick new airframes, not variants of existing aircraft.
Sisu
-Karnak
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list looks great karnak. especially the IL-2 up there at #1.
everyone wants this airplane (IL2-M3) I SERIOUSLY hope pyro and crew spring it as a surprise like they did the p-47
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1. Attack: Il-2 Type 3M - duh.
2. Attack bomber: Tu-2S - 300mph on deck, 340mph at about 18k. Maximum bombload of 3x1000kg bombs. 2xShVAK forward firing cannon, 3x12.7mm UBT defensive guns. Edit - some incorrect info.
3. Fast bomber: P1Y1 - OK, so not that fast at 340mph, but for a IJN bomber it is. Can carry a torpedo or 1000kg bombload. Low wingloading and a flexible 20mm up front and at the back would make it a danger to any intercepting fighters, plus it looks damn cool!
4. Heavy fighter: Beaufighter Mk VIC - 300mph on the deck, 4x20mm, 6x.303in or 8x60lb rockets, plus 2x250lb bombs or a torpedo. Die, shipping, die!
5. Italian bomber: S.M.79-II - With 3 Piaggio P.XI RC.40 radials of 1000HP it should have quite respectable performance, plus it can carry 2 torpedoes and has better defensive firepower than the Ju 88A-4.
[This message has been edited by juzz (edited 11-18-2000).]
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CAS A/C: Il-2 (pleeeaaaazzzee!)
High speed, low level bomber:Mosquito B.MkIX
Heavy Fighter: Bristol Beaufighter - it was a fantastic, versatile plane. It's anti-shipping capability (I think it could carry 2xtorps.) is well documented. Didn't the Japanese call it 'Whispering Death'? It would be great in Afrika Korps, instead of us having to fly typhoon (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
Fighter: La-7 - this would be a nice addition. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Dowding
No. 272 Squadron "Whispering Death"
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Yep, the Japanese called the Beaufighter the whispering death because of it's ultra quiet engines!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) The Australian version (Mk21) of the Mk X had 4x.50s replacing the 6x.303s and also had higher powered engines.
Bring it on! I wanna torpedo some ships!
Nexx
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Great list, except I'd vote for a Beaufighter Mk X instead of the Mossie (I know, both would be great) since the the Beau is the more unique plane and not done before (IIRC)
Cheers
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Pick a Sturmovik (Il-2/Il-10).
Pick a Soviet bomber (Pe-2/Tu-2).
Pick a Japanese bomber.
Pick a Japanese Army aircraft.
Pick an RAF light/medium bomber.
One from each of those categories would make scenarios much easier to do, thank you!
[This message has been edited by funked (edited 11-18-2000).]
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ME 410
Tankbusting JU-87
ME 410
Tankbusting JU-87 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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StSanta
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
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H8K would be an awesome choice for the first Japanese hvy bomber!
From the sound of it Everyone wants the IL-2 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Missed this first time around...
"I opted against the Aichi B7A2 Ryusei "Grace" and the Tupolev Tu-2 because I feel that they are too good. With the addition of the B7A2, why ever take a TBF Avenger in the MA? With the addition of the Tu-2, why ever take a B-26B?"
WHY do the TBF and B-26B have to be the best a/c in their class? Isn't this the same Karnak who says buffs are easy to kill, yet now we can't have any better ones? HUH?!
What really baffles me is that the Tu-2 is "too good", but then you pick a bomber(of which only 4 were made (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)) which would be able to cruise at 35,000ft, virtually immune to interception, and drop it's 4,000lb bombload with deadly AH accuracy where ever it pleased! Hmmm.... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
For funked:
Il-2 Type 3M
Tu-2S
P1Y1
Ki-84-Ib
Wellington III(Keeping to the 1942 theme (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif))
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Any RAF fighter produced past 1942 ? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Bartlomiej Rajewski
aka. Wing Commander fd-ski
Northolt Wing
1st Polish Fighter Wing
303 (Polish) Squadron "Kosciuszko" RAF
308 (Polish) Squadron "City of Cracow" RAF
315 (Polish) Squadron "City of Deblin" RAF
Turning 109s and 190s into scrap metal since 1998
Northolt Wing Headquarters (http://www.raf303.org/northolt/)
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being a "bomber dweeb" and pending the "bomb drift" fix
I would have to say the B-29 superfortress, I know many would say that it would make the b-17 and Lanc useless but based on that standard we would only have 6 or 7 fighters total! Bomber pilots have a hard enough time as it is almost never being able to get escort and having to go in alone most of the time, shouldent we be AT LEAST be able to have the best bombers that were available?
besides, it is practically the plane that won the pacific war and to ignore that is to undermind the whole existance of this game.
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Well, my first choice for the next plane to be added is going to be in the nest version (F6F... heheh only cats I like are the ones made by Grumman (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)). Therefore, I will only mention 2:
2: Some kind of naval divebomber to go with the fleet. I would like to see the SBD-5 or the Judy.
3: A Japanese Air Force fighter, either the Ki-84 or Ki-100 (preferably the late model with the bubble canopy, but either would be great)
-math
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"Any American fighter near Orote Penninsula. I have forty Jap planes surrounded and need a little help."
-Ens. W.B. "Spider" Webb during the Marians Turkey Shoot
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--S.M.79 Sparviero—
Year 1937
Engines N°3 Alfa romeo 126 RC34
Wing Span m 21.20
Lenght m 15.625
Height m 4.1
Wing surface m2 61.7
Empty Weight Kg 6650
Max Take off Weight Kg 12500
Max Power at Take off CV 2700
Wing load Kg/m2 217
Weight/power ratio Kg/CV 4.9
Take off run m 650
Total fuel capacity, 8055 liters.
Armament:
One fixed and two flexible 12.7-mm BREDA SAFAT machine gun.
one flexible 7.7 LEWIS machine gun.
Internal bomb load:
two 1,100 lb , five 550 lb, or twelve 220 lb bombs.
As a torpedo bomber one or two 450 mm torpedos.
Max speed at: Sea Level = 223 mph at 2060 rpm
3280 ft. = 227 mph at 2100 rpm
6560 ft. = 238 mph at 2170 rpm
9840 ft. = 251 mph at 2260 rpm
13120 ft. = 267 mph at 2395 rpm
16400 ft. = 261 mph at 2320 rpm
19680 ft. = 252 mph at 2240 rpm
Climb to: 3280 ft. = 3 min. 8 sec.
6560 ft. = 5 min. 58 sec.
9840 ft. = 9 min. 15 sec.
13120 ft. = 13 min. 15 sec.
16400 ft. = 19 min. 45 sec.
18045 ft. = 24 min. 21 sec.
Service ceiling: 21325 ft.
Max range : (at 16400ft. 211 mph) 2050 miles
Stalling speed : 80 mph http://utenti.tripod.it/eaglepress2/s79/s79bis.htm (http://utenti.tripod.it/eaglepress2/s79/s79bis.htm)
--Reggiane 2005--
Year : 1943
Engine : 1 x Daimler-Benz DB605A, 1475 hrs.pwr.
Wingspan : 11.00 m
Length : 8.75 m
Weight : 3550 kg
Max. speed : 678 km/h
Ceiling : 11200 m
Range : 1260 km
Crew : 1
Armament : 3x20mm + 2x12.7mm guns
--Mitsubishi Ki.67-I-Otsu Hiryu--
Year : 1944
Engine : 2 x Mitsubishi Ha.104 , 1900 hrs.pwr.
Wingspan : 22.50 m
Length : 18.70 m
Weight : 13765 kg
Max. speed: 537 km/h
Ceiling : 9470 m
Range : 3800 km
Crew : 6
Payload : 800kg bombs or 900kg torpedo
Armament : 1x20mm + 4x12.7mm guns
-- Il-2 --
Year : 1940
Engine : 1 x AM-38F , 1760 hrs.pwr.
Wingspan: 14.60 m
Length : 11.65 m
Weight : 6360 kg
Max. speed: 404 km/h
Ceiling : 3500 m
Range : 765 km
Crew : 1-2
Payload : 500kg bombs and 16x82mm rockets
Armament: 2x23mm + 1x12.6mm + 2x7.62mm guns
--Nakajima Ki.84-I-Ko Hayate--
Year : 1944
Engine : 1 x Nakajima Ha.45 , 1900 hrs.pwr.
Wingspan: 11.23 m
Length : 9.92 m
Weight : 3890 kg
Max. speed: 631 km/h
Ceiling : 10500 m
Range : 1695 km
Crew : 1
Armament: 2x20mm + 2x13mm guns
Se all planes at http://canopus.lpi.msk.su/~watson/wwiifighters.html (http://canopus.lpi.msk.su/~watson/wwiifighters.html)
FabriKA6
1°Gruppo Caccia “Asso di Bastoni”
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Messerschmitt Me410A
Iluyshin Il-2 Type 3M
Kawanishi H8K2 "Emily"
Savoia-Marchetti S.M.79-II
DeHaviland Mosquito B.MkIX
In that order plz (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif).
Maik
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With the upcoming Naval addition i feel that the first planes considered should be carrier/anti shipping planes hence my first 2 choices( I love the P1Y1 but it was not carrier capable)the Me 410 is on the list because my love for it defies logic,and the USSR needs a new plane and the Il-2 was one of the most important planes of the entire war(if not the most)and the Italians needs a bomber ,and a torpedo bomber at that, i almost picked the P.108 but we already have the B 17 and it was very similar to it.
B7A2
B6N2
Il-2
Me 410
SM 79II
Brady
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P-40E
P-51A
A-20
Pe-2
Tempest
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You will be surprised, but I'd like to see a He112. nice what-if plane (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
other than that I want fast bombers (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) we lack them right now.
Pe-2
Ju-188
Mosquito XVIII (ohh 57mmm ohhh (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif))
Me410
A-26 (ohh 10 forward firing MGs ohh!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif))
[This message has been edited by Luke Skywalker (edited 11-19-2000).]
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hehe fd,
It's all LW conspiracy against us (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Btw, when are we going to thet 56th FG place in Long Island or whatever it is....
mx22
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F6F,F4F,TFB,KI84,KI61...Most of all we need a PAC theatre.. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Ki-61 Tony (Why? 'Cause I like the damn things! Had a ball in the "other" sim flying them........fast, not as nimble as a Zeke, but a sweet bird anyways)
B-25H or J (like the ones used by the 345th in the Pacific......12 50's in the nose, parafrags, the works.......the 75mm cannon would be too damn hard to hit anything with, and with the current damage model, it would take 6 or 7 passes to kill a hangar, rather than the 1 or 2 hits need in RL. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) )
F6F-5 Hellcat (I've already posted my thoughts on this bird. Had a lot of fun on the challenge ladders, especially against the Ki-84......good turner for an American plane, rugged, all around performer)
Ki-84 (In my opinion, the BEST Japanese fighter of the war. High speed flaps, decent turner, fast as a Stang.........DROOL.......... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif))
Bristol Beaufighter (Just because nobody that I am aware of has one. Supposed to be one hell of a strafing platform, fast on the deck, and it would fit into the AFRIKA KORPS scenarios and others.)
[This message has been edited by eddiek (edited 11-20-2000).]
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Wobble, only if you get HTC to model ruined engines sometime during every flight. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Flakbait
Delta 6's Flight School (http://www.worldaccessnet.com/~delta6)
Whattaya mean I can't kill em? Why the hell not?!
(http://www.worldaccessnet.com/~delta6/htbin/behappy.jpg)
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P47 with gabby's 56th camo, even on a D30 is all I ask (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Actually the Bomber that most influenced the war and is never depicted in sims is the B-24 Liberator. the H8K would be great once we have lots of water but until then the flying boat might be a bit odd. I would like to see the following:
IL-2
B-24
Spit 1A/IIA
P1Y Ginga
I think a good mix would be made with these planes.
UncleBuck
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F4F
A6M2
P-40E
Hurricane Mk.1
Me-109E-4
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SM 79
Hurricane MK I or II
Wellington
Il-2
P1Y1
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Me410 (just think of the deflection shooting you could do without an instrument panel).
Mosquito
IL-2
Sherman tank
M7 Priest.
Hans.
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Uncle - check out WB, they have B24s
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lynx
13 Sqn RAF
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Brewster
IL-2
And some more early war stuff please!
Camo
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Camouflage
XO, Lentolaivue 34
www.muodos.fi/LLv34 (http://www.muodos.fi/LLv34)
Brewster into AH!
"The really good pilots use their superior judgement to keep them out of situations
where they might be required to demonstrate their superior skill."
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Nakajima Ki-84 Hayate
Curtiss SB2C Helldiver
Yokosuka D4Y Susei
Nakajima B6N Tenzan
Supermarine Spitfire Mk XIV
The biggest hole I see in the AH planeset right now is the lack of any JAAF aircraft. The Hayate adds what is arguably the best Japanese fighter produced in significant numbers during the War. With the addition of the Helldiver, Susei, and Tenzan, we could complete the late war carrier planeset for Pacific scenarios. Finally, we all deserve a late-War version of one of the finest air to air fighters of WWII - the Spitfire.
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King Tiger - slow pig iron.
M8 armored car w/37mm cannon and 2 mgs -55mph
M3/4 Sherman with flame thrower.
Pak43 8.8cm gun towed by Sd Kfz 250
Planes? enuf of them already.
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Me 110
Hurricane II
Ju87 tank buster
P-40
Il-2
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I like the above suggestions, but what I would like to see is some fleshing out of the current set. I think HTC could do an entire release with nothing but a whole bunch of variants. They wouldn't have to do much modeling, just some FM tweaks and new skins.
Off the top of my head these "easy" additions could include:
Spitfire Mk. I
Spitfire Mk. XIV
Seafire II
Bf-109E
FW-190F
B-17F
Ju-88
P-38F
P-38J
A6M2
A6M3
F4U-1A
C-47 (russian, japanese variants with defensive armament (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) )
La-7
P-47M
F6F-3 and F6F-5 (not sure which we're getting 1.05)
Some more extensive graphic modeling would be needed for these:
P-47C
P-47D razorback (including P-47D-23, the ultimate razorback :cool (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
P-47N
P-51B
A-36
Any other significant variants you can think of?
(http://www.jump.net/~cs3/uns_sig.jpg) (http://www.jump.net/~cs3)
[This message has been edited by Sancho (edited 12-08-2000).]
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Fw190D-9
N1K1
Ju88C-4
B-17E
A6M6
A6M7
Ta152
P-51A
P-51H
Yak-3
Yak-9UT
Spitfire F.Mk.21
Lancaster MkI
Lancaster MkI "Special"
Lancaster MkII
Sancho,
These could all be added to your list if you want.
Sisu
-Karnak
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B-24D
Ju88C-4
Ki61
Ki43
Ki84
runner up's
Ki45
am6m3 32 & 22
bf110g-4 (with schrage muzic)
P-40E
p-39D