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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Jochen on January 23, 2001, 03:39:00 AM
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Just to make sure this bird does not get forgotten...
Lufwaffe does not have decent attack plane yet. Ju 88 is excellent tactical bomber but it cannot do ground attacks. We dont have Stuka divebomber or twin cannon tank buster but I won't fit to arena anyways. Hs 129 would be nice and effective but it requires modeling completely new plane.
So, F-8 is it... Same as A-8 but with more armour plates and four underwing ETC 50 racks or Panzerblitz launchers and removed outer wing position MG 151's. And new skin. I'm sure the skin aint the problem, WB pilots cranck out unbelieveably nice skins with their warpaint program.
F-8 gets modeled, more 190's are used in ground attacks instead of F4U-1C (one can always hope), more variety on arena, everybody are happy, good vibes spread across the arena, less squeaking on board, more customers, new RPS arena, more customers.
I don't care if F-8 is perked from the beginning for whatever reason, I would still fly it.
(http://www.214th.com/ww2/germany/fw190/190f2.gif)
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jochen Gefechtsverband Kuhlmey I/SG 5
Sieg oder bolsevismus!
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F-8 or G8, and I would see no reason to perk it, as it does not have performance that is better than existing non perked fighter bombers
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Baron Claus "StSanta" Von Ribbentroppen
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
(http://us.st5.yimg.com/store4.yimg.com/I/demotivators_1619_4916770)
"We are the light at the end of your sorry little tunnel." - A. Eldritch
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I know it's hard for AH to make totally new aircraft. An F-8 would be cool. But we pay for this, if you want a new plane don't give in to a variant. Ask for a new plane. If enough paying costumers want a certain new plane I would think HT and the crew will be smart enough to oblige their costumers. Expansion and customer service go hand in hand. Just look at the general increase in the numbers since the PT's, fleets, Seafire, and F6F came out. Those new vehicles and avenues of play appealed to a broader audience. They will add more new planes. That's a given. Which ones will be based on demand to a great extent I'm sure. So demand it. Don't give in for a variation if what you really want is a whole new plane. I do. I don't really even care which one. I want to see them all on here. I would like to see them do what they did with the last version and add a variation and a new one each up date. I would be tickled pink if that happened every time.
[This message has been edited by Jimdandy (edited 01-23-2001).]
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Yes please.
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LJK_Raubvogel
LuftJägerKorps (http://www.luftjagerkorps.com)
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[This message has been edited by LJK Raubvogel (edited 01-23-2001).]
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Need it badly, while creating a LW-Only jabo mission for one of my pre-planned mission, I noticed that F-8 is needed badly!~
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Rip, imagine how us LW only types must feel (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif).
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Baron Claus "StSanta" Von Ribbentroppen
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
(http://us.st5.yimg.com/store4.yimg.com/I/demotivators_1619_4916770)
"We are the light at the end of your sorry little tunnel." - A. Eldritch
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<<<Hs 129 would be nice and effective>>>
Probably nice but not effective in an open arena full of late war planes and Ostwinds. The current 190A-8 makes a better ground attack plane, and it's not a sitting duck when attacked by a Chog.
The problem with the current MA uber furball is that a lot of nice planes just couldn't be useful here.
ra
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Probably nice but not effective in an open arena full of late war planes and Ostwinds. The current 190A-8 makes a better ground attack plane, and it's not a sitting duck when attacked by a Chog.
The problem with the current MA uber furball is that a lot of nice planes just couldn't be useful here.
That's why I have been asking for "low priority" targets (see gameplay forum) like merchant ships and task forces consisting of only DD's.
Not every WWII combat zone was full of latest planes or planes at all. How did Stukas survive in eastern front until 1945? Simply because soviet fighter could not be everywhere over the vast frontline! It's totally different here in AH.
What if there could be a stretch of land where is only few small airfields but plenty of V bases near factories or cities? Ground war would be much more important and airfields being farther away ground slow attack planes would have time to hit targets before interceptors can get into area.
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jochen Gefechtsverband Kuhlmey I/SG 5
Sieg oder bolsevismus!
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Rip, imagine how us LW only types must feel
Yep, it makes me kind of sad. Few days ago I was lying in my sofa looking pictures of F-8 and reading Nowarras book thinking how nice it would be flying one of those in AH.
We got Seafire which is variant of Spitfire V. Why cannot we get F-8!?!? It cannot be too hard to do. Sometimes I get feeling that even WWIIOL will introduce F-8 before AH and that thought makes me shrecking angry (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
Sure, comletely new planes get more attention but they are also harder to do than variant.
F-8 is needed, it would get use, it is not hard to do. I cannot see the reason why we cannot have it.
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jochen Gefechtsverband Kuhlmey I/SG 5
Sieg oder bolsevismus!
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Jochen, I suspect we'll see more allied fighter bombers, such as perk plane tempest, and some much needed VVS JABO planes before we get a LW plane other than a bomber that can take more than one egg. Unfortunately.
But we can always HOPE (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
And I do.
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Baron Claus "StSanta" Von Ribbentroppen
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
(http://us.st5.yimg.com/store4.yimg.com/I/demotivators_1619_4916770)
"I don't necessarily agree with everything I think." - A. Eldritch
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I cannot let this fall down!
190F-8 oder bolsevismus!
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jochen Gefechtsverband Kuhlmey I/SG 5
Sieg oder bolsevismus!
[This message has been edited by Jochen (edited 01-24-2001).]
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"Rip, imagine how us LW only feel?"
Why shoebox yourself into one plane type only? (In this case, LW plane type only?)
Hell, our last 3 squadron nights have had:
Japanese Jabo
British Jabo
and this coming week, Russian Jabo.
Just because you have a LW squadron doesn't mean you HAVE to fly LW only A/C...by flying them all, you not only become a much more skilled flyer, but you also tend to get to know the quirks of your nemesis A/C you primarily fly against in your LW kites.
Why someone would fly only one plane type (or country type) is way beyond me....
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Why someone would fly only one plane type (or country type) is way beyond me...
I (and many others) fly only certain planes not because it is easy but because it is hard. And doing that properly is the reward.
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jochen Gefechtsverband Kuhlmey I/SG 5
Sieg oder bolsevismus!
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What Jochen said.
Besides, it has A LOT to do with immersion; I an not an average Joe Schmoe "ride any kit" fighter schmuck.
I am a LW pilot. I am the elite. I am part of the best of the best.
How you guys manage great levels of immersion when you skiddle along jumping planes is beyond me (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif).
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Baron Claus "StSanta" Von Ribbentroppen
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
(http://us.st5.yimg.com/store4.yimg.com/I/demotivators_1619_4916770)
"I don't necessarily agree with everything I think." - A. Eldritch
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Sorry to disagree, Jochen, but it is much easier to fly only a few flight model types than to fly all of them, but, whatever wets your whistle!
(Incidently, take a look at my 190A8 K/D ratio back when I was CO of JG2, my K/D ratio lifetime is 4.34 to 1 (278 kills to 64 deaths) only because I flew the plane long enough to know it is the most difficult A/C to master)
And I quote:
"There are ALOT of good pilots that fly only a handful, or one A/C type, but there are only a handful of good pilots that fly all A/C types..."
[This message has been edited by Ripsnort (edited 01-24-2001).]
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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
Why someone would fly only one plane type (or country type) is way beyond me....
I will say this first. I'll fly what ever is available to do the job needed at the time. That said I can see a very good reason to fly the same plane types all of the time especially in a very squad/team oriented group. I've found that the more I fly a single plane type the better I am with it. That's only logical. If your a very team oriented squad that tries to go up together on every run it is to your advantage to wing a guy with the same aircraft. It's hard to wing when your aircraft preforms very differently from your flight leader. Winging a F4U with a G2 is tuffer because both planes have such different flight characteristics. One of the things I had always wanted to do on these games is wing with a group of the same planes. It's fun to get up in a group in the same plane. I would prefer to wing with the same plane type in squad operations. For example I was flying the G2 the other day and trying to wing with a P-51. It worked ok on the climb out because I could cut my throttle. When we leveled off he walked away. Nether plane could be used to it's fullest if we had really been trying to stay together. Those are some of the reasons I see to limit your plane set for your squad. I really am on this game to be part of a team effort. I love wingman flying. I really get tired of the lone wolf stuff. It really makes me feel like I'm part of a team when we're all up in the same plane and working together. That is the only complaint I have with the squad I'm in now. We all help each other but it's a bunch of individual efforts most of the time.
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Originally posted by StSanta:
I am a LW pilot. I am the elite. I am part of the best of the best.
StSanta in tours 1-11 FW190A8: 4.68 K/D ratio
Ripsnort in tours 1-11 FW190A8: 4.34 K/D ratio
Elite huh? <Rolls eyes>
BTW, Santa, never saw you sign up on the Ladder to prove yourself, so, your windage of hot air outweighs your flying ability by far. LOL!
[This message has been edited by Ripsnort (edited 01-24-2001).]
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Heh I'm yo daddy rip (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
S, you USED to be an elite pilot too. Now you're an old has been.
I don't fly duels. I fly for and with my squad exclusively. WE are elite, and I am a part of we, ergo, I am elite (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
Ladder is for people with enormous egos to boost. My ego isn't big; my confidence in my abilities is.
Seriously, I am not that good a stick. I can hold my own most times but there are plenty of better pilots.
I am still elite and superior to them, since I am LW. If they too are LW (which some are) we're equals, even if they're better.
DAMNED AMERICANS. Don't spoil a perfectly good delusion, dammit!
%&/¤/( ripsnort!
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Baron Claus "StSanta" Von Ribbentroppen
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
(http://us.st5.yimg.com/store4.yimg.com/I/demotivators_1619_4916770)
"I don't necessarily agree with everything I think." - A. Eldritch
[This message has been edited by StSanta (edited 01-24-2001).]
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Sorry to disagree, Jochen, but it is much easier to fly only a few flight model types than to fly all of them, but, whatever wets your whistle!
I don't agree. Pilot who flies all planes can pick best plane for his needs while dedicated pilot has to do with few choices.
Example: In base defence everything goes pilot can take N1K2 while LW pilot is limited to 109's and 190's which are not that hot in turnfighting that will ensue.
Example: In attack mode everything goes pilot can take F4U-1C with two bombs, many rockets and AP equipped cannons while LW pilot is limited to 190's with one bomb and cannons that does not kill tanks.
Also if the planes that you fly are mediocre and opposition flies best available planes, I don't think long experience in one type makes things easy.
And comparetively Lw pilots have it easy, soviet or japanese only pilots have it even worse!
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jochen Gefechtsverband Kuhlmey I/SG 5
Sieg oder bolsevismus!
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Originally posted by Jochen:
How did Stukas survive in eastern front until 1945?
I was thinking that stuka's were removed from service in '43? very high attrition rate.
ammo
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I was thinking that stuka's were removed from service in '43? very high attrition rate.
They were used in eastern front to the end. In finland during summer -44 Stukas of Gefechtsverband Kuhlmey flew many hundreds of daylight sorties against soviet troops without heavy losses.
Stuka was also equipment for NSGr's or night attack groups. Stukas were equipped with exhaust flame dampeners and they attacked enemy concentrations at night.
If MA would have night, Stuka could be useful.
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jochen Gefechtsverband Kowalewski
Units: I. and II./KG 51, II. and III./KG 76, NSGr 1, NSGr 2, NSGr 20.
Planes: Do 17Z, Ju 87, Ju 88A, He 111H, Ar 234A, Me 410A, Me 262A, Fw 190F, Fw 190G.
Sieg oder bolsevismus!
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Up up and away!
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jochen Gefechtsverband Kowalewski
Units: I. and II./KG 51, II. and III./KG 76, NSGr 1, NSGr 2, NSGr 20.
Planes: Do 17Z, Ju 87, Ju 88A, He 111H, Ar 234A, Me 410A, Me 262A, Fw 190F, Fw 190G.
Sieg oder bolsevismus!
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Originally posted by Jochen:
If MA would have night, Stuka could be useful.
so HTC had to remove icon during night otherwise its too easy
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night would work great if night planes could see icons farther than normal planes.
Pyro please consider the Fw 190F-8
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Or G8, even better (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Baron Claus "StSanta" Von Ribbentroppen
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
(http://store4.yimg.com/I/demotivators_1619_3845234)
"I don't necessarily agree with everything I think." - A. Eldritch
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Read this StSanta... G-8 is not better than the F-8.
"Despite its later designation, the Fw 190G preceded the Fw 190F, and was in essence the production version of the Fw 190A-4/U8 and Fw 190A-5/U3. The extra range required in this model was provided in part by the sacrifice of the two fuselage mounted machine guns to leave the two 20mm MG 151/20 cannon in the wing roots as the only fixed armament, and in part by the provision of attachments for two 79.25 US gal (300 liter) drop tanks under the wings."
Essentially, the G-8 was intended to be a long-range fighter-bomber or jabo, they were usually equipped with 2 wing mounted 300 liter drop tanks when on missions. Production of the G series stopped in the Spring of 1944 essentially because the LW ceased it's long range missions in the Spring. It now favored the F series for attack missions, since a long-range fighter bomber was not needed.
The F-8 would be a much better choice than the G-8, a) later R(Ruestaze) and U (umrust-baustaze; field and factory conversion sets, respectivly) designations of the F-8 allowed it to carry the same load as the G-8, also panzerblitz1&2 and R4M rocketsb) We have the chance of getting the Galland-haube canopy. d)It's faster.
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Nath_____
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
(http://pobox2.zyan.com/~nath/haha.jpg)
A captured Bolshevik pilot once stated, "In battle, the fighters with the green hearts are generally in the minority. But when they're there, things realy heat up. They're all aces!"
[This message has been edited by Nath-BDP (edited 01-29-2001).]
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Thanks nath, I went on the letter designation.
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Baron Claus "StSanta" Von Ribbentroppen
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
(http://store4.yimg.com/I/demotivators_1619_3845234)
"I don't necessarily agree with everything I think." - A. Eldritch
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Imagine if F-8 could be one of the four variants that we will get in 1.06!
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jochen Gefechtsverband Kowalewski
Units: I. and II./KG 51, II. and III./KG 76, NSGr 1, NSGr 2, NSGr 20.
Planes: Do 17Z, Ju 87, Ju 88A, He 111H, Ar 234A, Me 410A, Me 262A, Fw 190F, Fw 190G.
Sieg oder bolsevismus!
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Imagine that some folks really think that F-8 has GM-1 boost... What would ground attack plane do with high altitude performance enchancing boost system? Nothing.
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jochen Gefechtsverband Kowalewski
Units: I. and II./KG 51, II. and III./KG 76, NSGr 1, NSGr 2, NSGr 20.
Planes: Do 17Z, Ju 87, Ju 88A, He 111H, Ar 234A, Me 410A, Me 262A, Fw 190F, Fw 190G.
Sieg oder bolsevismus!
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Jochen, a similar analogy wouldbe "what would French people do with soap?", yet they try to sell soap there (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
See yanks? I attack pother nationalities, too (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Baron Claus "StSanta" Von Ribbentroppen
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
(http://store4.yimg.com/I/demotivators_1619_3845234)
"I don't necessarily agree with everything I think." - A. Eldritch
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Satan, no sane person would use F-8 for high altitude air combat even if it had GM 1 boost. F-8 is loaded with extra belly armour plates and outer wing position guns were removed because of too high weight.
Of course GM 1 would really not do any harm but you wouldn get any real advantage out of it either.
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jochen Gefechtsverband Kowalewski
Units: I. and II./KG 51, II. and III./KG 76, NSGr 1, NSGr 2, NSGr 20.
Planes: Do 17Z, Ju 87, Ju 88A, He 111H, Ar 234A, Me 410A, Me 262A, Fw 190F, Fw 190G.
Sieg oder bolsevismus!
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Start your morning with healthy punt!
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jochen Gefechtsverband Kowalewski
Units: I. and II./KG 51, II. and III./KG 76, NSGr 1, NSGr 2, NSGr 20.
Planes: Do 17Z, Ju 87, Ju 88A, He 111H, Ar 234A, Me 410A, Me 262A, Fw 190F, Fw 190G.
Sieg oder bolsevismus!
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Jochen, I now, just like no healthyFrench dude would ever consider buyin soap (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Baron Claus "StSanta" Von Ribbentroppen
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
(http://store4.yimg.com/I/demotivators_1619_3845234)
"I don't necessarily agree with everything I think." - A. Eldritch
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StSanta continue and you will receive a box contening a pair of used shoes of mine (I now it's biological warfare (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif))
btw I've heard strange words in the BBS like bath or shower ....can someone explain further what is the purpose of this stranges devices ?
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Remember the F-8!!!
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jochen Gefechtsverband Kowalewski
Units: I. and II./KG 51, II. and III./KG 76, NSGr 1, NSGr 2, NSGr 20.
Planes: Do 17Z, Ju 87, Ju 88A, He 111H, Ar 234A, Me 410A, Me 262A, Fw 190F, Fw 190G.
Sieg oder bolsevismus!
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New day, new punt!
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jochen Gefechtsverband Kowalewski
Units: I. and II./KG 51, II. and III./KG 76, NSGr 1, NSGr 2, NSGr 20.
Planes: Do 17Z, Ju 87, Ju 88A, He 111H, Ar 234A, Me 410A, Me 262A, Fw 190F, Fw 190G.
Sieg oder bolsevismus!
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Blitz the panzers!
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jochen Gefechtsverband Kowalewski
Units: I. and II./KG 51, II. and III./KG 76, NSGr 1, NSGr 2, NSGr 20.
Planes: Do 17Z, Ju 87, Ju 88A, He 111H, Ar 234A, Me 410A, Me 262A, Fw 190F, Fw 190G.
Sieg oder bolsevismus!
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I'll give it a good kick as well, it's a worthy cause (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Baron Claus "StSanta" Von Ribbentroppen
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
(http://store4.yimg.com/I/demotivators_1619_3845234)
"I don't necessarily agree with everything I think." - A. Eldritch
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Up!
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jochen Gefechtsverband Kowalewski
Units: I. and II./KG 51, II. and III./KG 76, NSGr 1, NSGr 2, NSGr 20.
Planes: Do 17Z, Ju 87, Ju 88A, He 111H, Ar 234A, Me 410A, Me 262A, Fw 190F, Fw 190G.
Sieg oder bolsevismus!
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I'll punt too
Fury
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Should be alot of happy campers now (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) !
-Westy
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A shrecking big Yesh!!! Nice HTC!!! I knew it was coming!!!
Uh, gotta calm down...
Hopefully armament options are plentiful! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
ER 4 adapter could be very nice as would be Panzerblitz rockets...
Again, thankyouthankyouthankyouthank youthankyouthankyouthankyouth ankyouthankyouthankyou!
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jochen Gefechtsverband Kowalewski
Units: I. and II./KG 51, II. and III./KG 76, NSGr 1, NSGr 2, NSGr 20.
Planes: Do 17Z, Ju 87, Ju 88A, He 111H, Ar 234A, Me 410A, Me 262A, Fw 190F, Fw 190G.
Sieg oder bolsevismus!
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WOOOOOOOOOHOOO!