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Title: P-47 D
Post by: Westy on March 20, 2000, 03:34:00 PM: I'm putting in an early artwork plug for this plane. (couldn't hurt I figure)

(http://www.neam.org/images/57th_b.jpg)

This is a plane from the 65th Squadron of the 57 Fighter Group. It's located at the New England Air Museum in a large area of the museum dedicated them.

http://www.neam.org/fifty7.htm (http://www.neam.org/fifty7.htm)

I can get alot of pictures! <wink wink, nudge nudge> (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)

-Westy

(sat in the cockpit of it yesterday as a matter of fact <GGGG> )

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Title: P-47 D
Post by: juzz on March 21, 2000, 02:11:00 AM: Heres a nice pair of jugs... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
(http://www.paintaholics.com/Images/olive.jpg)
(http://www.paintaholics.com/Images/cammo-joe.jpg)
Title: P-47 D
Post by: Vermillion on March 21, 2000, 06:29:00 AM: Interesting Camo Scheme on the second one Juzz. Any idea of what theater, time of year, squadron, etc? Looks like a cross between German and VVS to me, instead of an American paintjob.

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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
"Desperately trying to figure out why Kamikaze Pilots wore helmets"
Title: P-47 D
Post by: Westy on March 21, 2000, 07:44:00 AM: Very nice. EAW?

-Westy
Title: P-47 D
Post by: juzz on March 21, 2000, 04:58:00 PM: The P-47D in the pics is a player-made addition for FS:SDOE. They are real schemes, the second one is 56th FG iirc. Go to the site they are on, details are there.

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Title: P-47 D
Post by: Spritle on March 21, 2000, 06:19:00 PM: Vermillion,

Here is a little history on that camo paint scheme P-47.

(http://www.johntackettaviationart.com/images/image025.jpg)

Lieutenant Colonel Francis S. Gabreski of the 61st Squadron, 56th Fighter Group in his Republic P-47D Thunderbolt, 42-26418. Shooting down a toal of 28 German aircraft, Gabreski was the leading American ace in Europe.

(http://www.oldgloryprints.com/calm_before_the_storm.jpg)
Title: P-47 D
Post by: wells on March 21, 2000, 08:26:00 PM: Damn Juzz!

That 56th one is the best looking Jug I've seen! I'm gonna have to re-install FS for that one. It looks to be copied from the Monogram 1/48 kit, Dave Schilling's plane, I believe?
Title: P-47 D
Post by: CavemanJ on March 21, 2000, 08:28:00 PM: Hey Westy, I've taken a few pics of that very same bird, but I think I took more of the -5 hawg they've got =)
Title: P-47 D
Post by: JFalk on March 21, 2000, 10:10:00 PM: I vote we put in Francis S. Gabreski's plane.
Anyone else care to support this?

John Falkowski
F/S Falkowsk
308 (Polish) "City of Crakow" RAF
Title: P-47 D
Post by: Westy on March 22, 2000, 08:05:00 AM: Hey CavemanJ. I sat in that F4U too Sunday! It really is a nice bird. High,long nose and I had a hard time getting out due to the high angle of the fuselage (I'm 6'5" and hefty).
One thing I was really suprised about is that the F4U's six view is not bad at all. I could clearly look back and check my six without much trouble at all. And the control surface movements were nice and instantaneous too. A light touch on the aelerons or rudder brought instant control surface movement. No control cables used on those birds!

You have to just love those open cockpit Sundays they have every now and then (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)

As for the colour scheme of the 56th P47. They also used that scheme alot in the Italian theatre. Just an FYI.
Go here: http://www.tholianweb.com/cgi-bin/amd2.pl (http://www.tholianweb.com/cgi-bin/amd2.pl)
and you can see alot of nice plates for P-47 schemes to choose from. Alot of other aircraft too, of course.

-Westy

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Title: P-47 D
Post by: Westy on March 28, 2000, 07:41:00 AM: Would a delivery of pizza a couple of times to the HTC HQ help ???? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

-Senior' Graft
Title: P-47 D
Post by: Vermillion on March 28, 2000, 07:50:00 AM: Nahhh Westy, if your gonna send a bribe for a P-47, forget the D, go for the M, the real killer (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)

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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
Carpe Jugulum
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"
Title: P-47 D
Post by: Pyro on March 31, 2000, 07:05:00 PM: Westy wrote:

Would a delivery of pizza a couple of times to the HTC HQ help ????
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In this case it would. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations

Perfect plans, aren't.
Title: P-47 D
Post by: Westy on March 31, 2000, 07:20:00 PM: (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/eek.gif)

Hot dog!
Title: P-47 D
Post by: Westy on April 10, 2000, 12:09:00 PM: Hmmm. So what's the name of the place that takes orders and delivers??! Really? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

Btw, LOVE the Typhoon, really do. But with the Panzers on the march out there the absence of the P-47D is deafening!!

-Westy
Title: P-47 D
Post by: Falk on April 14, 2000, 12:53:00 AM: Boys, behave!
P-47 in cammo? Argh! That's criminal!
Green oil or silver, plz!!!
Thunderbolt rulez!!!
Title: P-47 D
Post by: leonid on April 14, 2000, 01:20:00 AM: The P-47 would be a great addition to AH.

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5 GIAP VVS RKKA (http://www.adamfive.com/guerrero)

"Our cause is just. The enemy will be crushed. Victory will be ours."
Title: P-47 D
Post by: funked on April 14, 2000, 06:31:00 AM: Yes, gotta have Gabreski's plane!
Title: P-47 D
Post by: Gorf on April 17, 2000, 08:58:00 PM: Got to have Robert S. Johnson's also for a paint scheme!
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Title: P-47 D
Post by: Westy on April 17, 2000, 09:56:00 PM: If things work out ok I may be able to get us a P-47 M but it might have to be in "Pizza Hut" colours.

-Westy

(WHAT? You think I can afford 60 pizzas? I'm going for the massive corporate subsidization here!<G> )
Title: P-47 D
Post by: Pongo on April 18, 2000, 12:59:00 AM: We cant just take the highest scorer in type and give his plane all the time..(except when hes canadian)they already pooched that by not having buzz buerlings SpitV...One chance to put some canadian content in the game but NOOOOO cant do that.
They just hate canucks cause we have better beer.

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Pongo
The Wrecking Crew
Title: P-47 D
Post by: DoctorYO on April 18, 2000, 07:57:00 AM: Are you shure you dont have Quebec on your license plate....

"Silly American I phart in your general direction"

8D

8D

8D

And stay out of florida too... we have enough nondriving jackals roaming around down here.

Regards,

DocYO
Title: P-47 D
Post by: funked on April 18, 2000, 09:51:00 AM: Pongo, shuddup! I'm gonna tell Gabreski what you said!

(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)

How about an RCAF Spit XIV then?

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Title: P-47 D
Post by: Bloody on April 22, 2000, 04:11:00 AM: I strongly support Westy's push for a Jug. I just hope that HTC doesn't take after AW3's P-47 when making their own. AW3's poor Jug performs shamefully in the online arenas. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)

I'd hope that HTC's Jug would be made to hold its own.

Bloody
| ||AirWolves| ||

...gotta love the Jug!
Title: P-47 D
Post by: Pongo on April 22, 2000, 04:29:00 AM: Nope...only way to be appeased is post war p51d markings for RCAF....
kidding.
would be cool though to let us have a natural metal 51 with just the tail colour and anti glare panel and let us choose the roundels...Ausi, South African, Canadian, British..etc etc...

I really like the markings that HTC has choosen for the planes. Took me a while to get used to the G2 but I would never go back now.....Just hope that the most successful Spit V pilot gets his due with the other pilots we honor in this game..It would have to be a trop though...and some people would not like the three tone blue cam job..but its great for malta..

Of course Gabys 47!....

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Pongo
The Wrecking Crew

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Title: P-47 D
Post by: juzz on April 22, 2000, 07:42:00 AM: If you want a RCAF plane soon, start lobbying for the Lancaster to be it. I understand it was common only for RCAF bombers to feature "colourful" noseart. Noseart is cool. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)

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Title: P-47 D
Post by: StSanta on April 30, 2000, 02:15:00 PM: As a 109G10 driver, the P-47 scares me (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).

Will be an interesting plane to have for sure, since it'd outclimb the 109G10 at low alt (also at altitude?) and therefore force the G10 pilot to do something other than just extend/climb.

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StSanta
II/JG2
Title: P-47 D
Post by: ra on April 30, 2000, 02:25:00 PM: I'm sure it won't outclimb a G-10 at low alt, and probably not at high alt either.

ra
Title: P-47 D
Post by: Gorf on April 30, 2000, 02:41:00 PM: WELL!!
If ya have a P-38, P-51,.. you might as well bring in the P47D,M, orN.

Gorf
Title: P-47 D
Post by: funked on April 30, 2000, 04:33:00 PM: Yeah I think ra is right, the Jug won't climb much better than the G-10 at any altitude. But it will sure as heck chase the G-10 all over the place at high altitude. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Title: P-47 D
Post by: Vermillion on April 30, 2000, 05:18:00 PM: The P-47 M or N either one would be a very scary opponent, at high altitudes, and a legit addition to the plane set.

Can't wait to see what comes out of HTC when they decide to do a Thunderbolt. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
Carpe Jugulum
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"
Title: P-47 D
Post by: StSanta on April 30, 2000, 05:58:00 PM: Oh, I read in a book (cannot recall which, but it was written by a 47 driver that he felt *safe* versus 109's in his 47 because of the tremendous damage the Jug could take AND that he could outclimb/outrun them and engage at will.

Maybe he was talking about early model 109's?

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StSanta
II/JG2
Title: P-47 D
Post by: Westy on April 30, 2000, 06:11:00 PM: I think it's the P-47's 'zoom' climb that was fantastic. A P-47 from level flight versus literally any other aircraft is the worste climber.
But if the P-47 has speed built up and gets into a godfight the zoom climb of the paddle bladed P-47's was reportedly phenominal.
In any online sim's P-47 to date I have hated to end up climbing with any enemy aircraft on my tail.

-Westy
Title: P-47 D
Post by: juzz on April 30, 2000, 06:16:00 PM: From the other side of the coin; Heinz Knoke in his book "I flew for the fuhrer" gives an account of a fight with P-47's from which he was unable to escape with a spiral climb in his Me 109G, even using MW 50 boost...
Title: P-47 D
Post by: StSanta on May 01, 2000, 09:33:00 AM: Juzz, glad to see thatthere's more that just my source.

I'll try to find the book so I can post the quote, but I've moved recently and it is in *one* of those boxes....

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StSanta
II/JG2
Title: P-47 D
Post by: DoctorYO on May 02, 2000, 12:11:00 PM: Im for the nerfed p47 D of Airwarrior:

we have enough uber planes and the p47D would do very well and not upset play balance like the Dweeb Hog.

I laugh when you guys think the p47 was not a competent fighter. Its almost as fast as a mustang, will out dive anything, was durable, could carry enormous payload, and had 8 50's which its pilots really respected.

above 25k due to the r2800 and a very big supercharger, It is the king of battle. Its only drwback was range, thus the P51 was born when they got the merlins.

Jabo it reigns supreme too though the p38 is very good also.

I would fly the p47 alot due to historical significence.. On discovery's Wings it was named warbird of the century due to its impressive statistics/versitility against air/ground targets.

Thats right warbird of the century... I must agree it was by far america's best plane and workhouse..

Note im a big p38 fan/F4 fan/f6 fan but no other aircraft had the versitility of this JUG.

P47D all the way....

Regards,

DoctorYO
Title: P-47 D
Post by: Crapgame on May 02, 2000, 03:26:00 PM: Jug D-25 model please....56th F.G. livery. Also please all go to the main board and reply to my post: Day 1 of a Great New Crusade!!

<S>
Crapgame
62nd F.S.
56th F.G.
"Zemke's Wolfpack"
Title: P-47 D
Post by: funked on May 02, 2000, 04:50:00 PM: Why D-25?

D-25 only had the R-2800-59 with 2300 hp.

Why not D-27, otherwise identical but 2600 hp.

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Title: P-47 D
Post by: Westy on May 13, 2000, 05:01:00 PM: <dusts topic off>

It's obviously not getting enough attention!

-Westy

I believe in the P-47 in Aces High
Title: P-47 D
Post by: Daff on May 13, 2000, 07:47:00 PM: The Funky Camo-scheme one, is Dave Schillings P-47M.
All the P-47M got painted in erhh...non-standard camo-schemes, but all they really did was to slow the planes by 5-10mph. (Not that it mattered all that much with a topspeed of 476mph).
(The only FG to recieve the P-47M's was the 56th FG...and if we get the M, neither Johnson or Gabreski got to fly the M..Johnson was sent home well before that and Gabreski was a POW (Although he pranged his kite on his last sortie before going home so he wouldnt have been able to fly it anyhow:P).)
One of the Squadrons painted their P-47M's matte black. (63rd Sqdn, I believe).

Daff

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CO, 56th Fighter Group
Title: P-47 D
Post by: Vermillion on May 13, 2000, 08:25:00 PM: Matte Black??

ohhhh I like that (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)

Add a few little skull and crossbones, and it would be just right.

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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"
Title: P-47 D
Post by: Daff on May 14, 2000, 06:45:00 AM: I got a couple of pictures of it somewhere...I'll see if I can dig it up..

Daff

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CO, 56th Fighter Group
Title: P-47 D
Post by: jmccaul on May 14, 2000, 09:53:00 AM: One minute your all happy with your new plane

(http://simcombat.com/b-17/screenshots/B-17%204.27/MightyEighth2s.jpg)

The you think lets see how she turns in combat

(http://simcombat.com/b-17/screenshots/SC1/on%20fire.jpg)

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Title: P-47 D
Post by: Westy on May 15, 2000, 07:21:00 AM: Absolute blasphemy!

Black P-47, flown by a Free Polish pilot in the 56th, 2nd one down:

http://www.aeromaster.com/jpg48/ad48015a.jpg (http://www.aeromaster.com/jpg48/ad48015a.jpg)

-Westy

(edited to decrease topic load time)

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Title: P-47 D
Post by: Vermillion on May 15, 2000, 08:52:00 AM: Ohhhh nice Westy (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

Thanks !!

I am kinda partial to the dark blue/light blue scheme's myself, but thats probably due to my recent interests in Yak's.

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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"
Title: P-47 D
Post by: funked on May 15, 2000, 06:31:00 PM: Westy, yes, the Lanowski plane!
Title: P-47 D
Post by: Neon on May 16, 2000, 02:47:00 PM: Stick a Jug in the sim and I might even have to come over and join you gents....

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Neon
XO 78th FG
Title: P-47 D
Post by: SnakeEyes on May 17, 2000, 05:40:00 AM: So, any rumors of a Jug being modeled here soon?

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=4th Fighter Group=
Title: P-47 D
Post by: Citabria on May 17, 2000, 06:31:00 AM: I think Aces High would gain a few memberships by adding a P-47

personally I signed up for a pay account the week before the P-38L was released specifically because I wanted to fly an accurately modelled and pretty lightning.
I wasn't disapointed and I'm still here and flying other planes too along with my p38. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)

I'm sure there are hard core jug fliers waiting for their ride to come to AH too (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Title: P-47 D
Post by: Crapgame on May 18, 2000, 10:26:00 PM: Funked,

Stupid me...D27 would be fine...Just want a late model Jug with bubble canopy and 8x.50s. While the "M" would be fine, I'd just as soon see a model that was produced in the thousands and saw extensive combat. Besides, I've never been an uber-bird pilot and why start now? I'd hate to always have to defend myself and my bird on the boards...who has the time? I'm trying to lower my handicap.. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

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2nd Lt. Crapgame
62nd F.S.
56th F.G. "Zemke's Wolfpack"
Title: P-47 D
Post by: Daff on May 19, 2000, 05:00:00 AM: Actually, I would much rather prefer a razorback (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)...much much better looking (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)..the Superbolt seems to lose some of it's mean look.
(And we all know that it's the look that counts, not it's actual performance)

Daff

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CO, 56th Fighter Group
Title: P-47 D
Post by: Pappy on May 21, 2000, 07:10:00 PM: It ain't WWII without the Jug but I guess that could be said for a few others as well.
Title: P-47 D
Post by: Duckwing6 on May 22, 2000, 03:05:00 AM: It has to have invasions stripes, a checkerbord on the nose and else be all metall (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

and the we need trains to strafe MUAHAHAHA

JUG !
Title: P-47 D
Post by: -lynx- on May 22, 2000, 10:42:00 AM: DrYo: it was not the range that "killed" P47. It was it's cost. I can't remember the actual figure but for the same money you could have ~4 Mustangs and that makes a huge difference.

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13 Sqn RAF
Title: P-47 D
Post by: Daff on May 22, 2000, 01:34:00 PM: I'm pretty sure you're confusing the P-47 with the P-38, Lynx.

Daff

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CO, 56th Fighter Group