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General Forums => Custom Skins => Topic started by: StokesAk on September 10, 2009, 06:14:32 PM
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The whole of the 82nd FG would love for someone to skin this.
(http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp313/Strokeys/82ndFG_1.jpg)
(http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp313/Strokeys/82ndFG_2.jpg)
As of yet i dont have a picture of the top of the wings just a profile and the noseart shot. If anyone could assist me in finding this it would be very nice.
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i'll see what I can dig up, been kind of wanting to do a 38 skin,
personally I like this one better...
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z235/nathanyoung1980/3_31_b1.jpg)
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Thanks Copr, i got the profile from the website lyric gave you. If you can find any images its Ok. Cavalier ordered a book of the 82nd that has yet to arrive.
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As a '38 driver and skinner, I like to see the active '38 squads have at least one squad skin for each version of the Lightning if possible.
What is special or significant about "Judy Ann"? IIRC I had started working on Ben Mason's "Billy Boy", also an 82nd FG 38J, but stopped for some reason and don't recall why...
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd148/tjlaven/P-38-82FG-Billy-Boy.jpg)
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Billy Boy is a 38J?
I just got what i could about a comfirmed 38J.
All we really want is a P38J to call our own, anyone will do.
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See modified response...
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z235/nathanyoung1980/3_31_b1.jpg)
I like the redtail look...
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That looks great Copr. :aok
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Schwwwiiinnggggg! That's a beauty, Copr. Never seen red tails on the 82nd though - what book is that from?
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I pulled it from here http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww2/f/298/3/7#31 (http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww2/f/298/3/7#31) which there source is: Source: Air Magazine No.40, Magazine bimestriel. Janvier/Fevrier 2008. Est une publication bimestrielle de TMA SARL.75 rue Claude Decaen - Paris 75012. I think thats French :confused: Going to take some research to find a real photo...Perhaps Dan will come along and assist
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Man i can only imagine what that would look like in game.
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I pulled it from here http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww2/f/298/3/7#31 (http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww2/f/298/3/7#31) Going to take some research to find a real photo...Perhaps Dan will come along and assist.
Do get a real photo for that one or other corroboration, that site is a wonderful starting place, but not the end all be all of "good references".
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Do get a real photo for that one or other corroboration, that site is a wonderful starting place, but not the end all be all of "good references".
+1
When i was looking through the 82nd's site i didnt see any 38's with redtails.
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The Red tail birds would be J-25s or L-1s(J-25 being almost identical with leading edge landing light, power assist and dive flaps) The 82nd J models didn't have the colored tails. As time went by and the war was winding down there was more time for painting. Think Spring/Summer 44 for the J models and Spring 45 for the colored tail L models.
Billy Boy was the one Oboe was working on and it was a J-15 but no red tail at that point.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/BillyBoy.jpg)
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See modified response...
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z235/nathanyoung1980/3_31_b1.jpg)
I like the redtail look...
If it's accurate, which I'm not positive on, it's a 38L.
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Thanks Dan, once again I am impresssed by your vast knowledge. In my own attempt to gain knowledge, I went to the library the other night looking for a book that had technical data of the 38 and other planes. I arrived at our public library at 5:45PM, as I walk in I hear "your public library will be closing in 10 min". Grrr..I grab a book called Fighters of WWII by David Donald (Big picture of a I-16, Ki84, 109, Hurri, and 38 on it) check out my books and rush home. I open to the table of contents and find P-38 on page 161, except on page 161 is thw Meteor :(. Wow, what a disappointment, I guess I should have got Bombers of WWII!
Thanks again,
Nathan
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I really like that red tail. Make the tail feathers flashy and you get more interest, and more kills. :x
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Thanks Dan, once again I am impresssed by your vast knowledge. In my own attempt to gain knowledge, I went to the library the other night looking for a book that had technical data of the 38 and other planes. I arrived at our public library at 5:45PM, as I walk in I hear "your public library will be closing in 10 min". Grrr..I grab a book called Fighters of WWII by David Donald (Big picture of a I-16, Ki84, 109, Hurri, and 38 on it) check out my books and rush home. I open to the table of contents and find P-38 on page 161, except on page 161 is thw Meteor :(. Wow, what a disappointment, I guess I should have got Bombers of WWII!
Thanks again,
Nathan
Go to the Airforce museum gift shop 1000's of books to look at. Just window shop if you can't afford them at the time find what you need get them at a later date. :aok
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Taking a closer look at the redtail Judy Ann profile, its pretty easy to spot the leading edge landing light, and easy to make out the dive flaps under wing. So the red tail Judy Ann is a P-38L or late J as Dan states.
There are still a few 38L slots open, but the J is full so any new J skins go into a rotation. I've jumped back into skinning with the 38L so I've lots of projects in various states - I could do Judy Ann based off this profile and have something showable pretty quickly, but I don't want to step on any toes of anyone who wants to take a crack at skinning the Lightning. I can keep busy reworking my existing Ls.
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I have some 82ND photos. Got these two with stripes on the boom :) no red tail though. :(
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Still no red tail?
(http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/8d65d5cdcd.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)
Oooh thats a nice one it has teeth but not complete :furious
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:furious Bugger still no tail? five in a row. :uhoh
(http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/789272a5c8.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)
This one looks painted?? Nah can't be sure :mad:
(http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/bdd0bc4845.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)
:D Got it a painted RED tail complete with a stripe too no less.
(http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/dc1a1d22f0.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)
:huh Crap a ringer no red tail.
(http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/12b0a53dcd.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)
Well a partial painted tail but what colour?
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Take two.
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Take three.
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Take four.
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These two look like they have some colour variation. Candy cane booms on the first maybe? :pray
(http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/993cc43e36.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)
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Just no way of knowing unless there is some colour photos :O. :x
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Can't find a picture of Judy Ann. But I think you have enough to get you a red tailed 38 in the game. :aok
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I think what they're after is a J to go with the 82nd 38L that Oboe already did. there is an 82nd G that Oboe did as well. A red tail J is probably not one that will be found however as those squadron colored tails are all L models.
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Well I started a J after the first pic Stokes posted...now this has no wheathering to it, or kill markings...
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z235/nathanyoung1980/ahss20-1.jpg)
I'm concerned though, I have no idea if the right side of the plane has identical markings. I also added anti glare on the inboard side of the engines (seemed common enough) Do you think the red is too bright? Any thoughts?
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I think what they're after is a J to go with the 82nd 38L that Oboe already did. there is an 82nd G that Oboe did as well. A red tail J is probably not one that will be found however as those squadron colored tails are all L models.
Oh well maybe Oboe might use it to trade out his black tailed L model for a red one?
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Just do a red tailed one. Its not like there are not multiple planes from the same squads in the other 38 skin types.
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Well here it is...I think...
(Small Note: Swastikas have been substituted)
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z235/nathanyoung1980/ahss22-1.jpg)
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z235/nathanyoung1980/ahss25.jpg)
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z235/nathanyoung1980/ahss29.jpg)
Rare Extensive S.A.P.P. Test Flight!
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z235/nathanyoung1980/ahss30.jpg)
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z235/nathanyoung1980/ahss31.jpg)
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Thanks everyone for the amazing information & pics. ( Lyric :salute )
Whichever is preferred, the red tail or non red tail, we're appreciative for a 82nd J skin, thanks guys!
:salute
Sweet looking 5.0!
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Will be looking forward for the new skin! :salute
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LOL Copr you're breaking in the new skin the right way for SAPP! I never thought of doing screenshots like that.
If it were me I would tone donw the red (desaturate) a bit, and add a bare little shadow behind the red prop spinner. Everybody has their own style though. If you really want to get some ideas on detailing, take a look at Fester's 38J skin. A real close look, all over the plane. Go external view on the runwy and spend 15-20 minutes just examining how he handles screw/rivet shading and glare, the tire rims, exhaust stains - everything. You'll see lots of things you can do to a skin if you want to spend the time on it. Also his panel lines are superb. The default P-38 panel lines have some errors in them.
Have fun!
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What about a 2nd P-38L for the 82nd, this time the red-tailed Judy Ann? I know the 80th has a couple versions of Jay Robbins "Jandina" in tha game (both 38Js, one bare metal, one OD) so multiple mounts from the same pilot aren't a problem. Plus there are still a couple free 38L slots, so she could possibly make it into the game without waiting in a rotation.
Here's what she looks like on my 38L base. Any interest?
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd148/tjlaven/P-38L-Judy-Ann-Profile.jpg)
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd148/tjlaven/P-38L-Judy-Ann-Climbing.jpg)
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd148/tjlaven/P-38L-Judy-Ann-Underside.jpg)
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd148/tjlaven/P-38L-Judy-Ann-Outbound.jpg)
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WOOT WOOT WOOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :x :x :x :x
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:x :x :x :x
Beautiful Oboe! We wouldn't mind another L skin but we'd really love it on the J despite the wait.
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That is gorgeous Oboe!
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:x :x :x :x
Beautiful Oboe! We wouldn't mind another L skin but we'd really love it on the J despite the wait.
Gotta keep it accurate though. Not seeing any red tailed J models. Red tails would be Ls
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Gotta keep it accurate though. Not seeing any red tailed J models. Red tails would be Ls
The red tail is nice addition and I know that the red tails were L's. Weren't the metal tail with the serial's J's?
Thanks once again Oboe for the fantastic skin. :salute
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The red tail is nice addition and I know that the red tails were L's. Weren't the metal tail with the serial's J's?
Thanks once again Oboe for the fantastic skin. :salute
Yep on the J's. L models didn't get into combat until mid to late October 44. The MTO got the new stuff later then most. At one point they sent pilots to England to ferry down the surviving P38Hs from the 20th, and 55th FGs. Sad Sack of the 82nd was a P38F that was still flying combat in May 44. Replacement pilots in the MTO were surprised to find themselves at times going into combat on earlier versions of the 38 then they had trained on in the US.
The 9th AF 38 Groups arrived in the ETO with J-10 and J-15s in early 44
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That is gorgeous Oboe!
Coprhead,
Do you still have plans on submitting an 82nd FG J skin?
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Yes sir I do, working on a D-11 Jugs right now, when its finished I'm going to submit...
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Yes sir I do, working on a D-11 Jugs right now, when its finished I'm going to submit...
:salute Will be looking forward to flying her if she's accepted!
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Did we get a thumbs up from HTC for the new skins? :pray
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I haven't submitted any new 38L skins yet - trying to find a way to keep them from looking too "cookie cutter" and finding the right balance of hue, opacity, and saturation on the 82nd's red nose and spinners. Work is keeping me very busy too so not finding much time to work on them.
Will get them in soon tho, and let you know when submitted and if accepted, etc.