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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: DemonFox on September 11, 2009, 07:08:34 PM
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The PBY-5A is a very important plane of WWII it was a bomber and at could carry people. We could use it from ports as a bomber thanks to its floats or by a CV for a landed successfully. It could carry 4,000IB of bombs which is even with that of the B-26 and for then the B-25. It could also carry torpedoes a nice thing because we only have the Ju-88 that can carry 2 Torpedoes. Then It carried people so in place of the bombs we could carry people but I know the PBY didn't para-drop so you would have to land to let them out. Plus a aircraft as important and unique as this should be in this great of a game.
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Been asked for many times before. May be cool to see it added but won't have much effectiveness, not many people want a 220 mph aircraft (dunno if thats its exact speed but its in that region) that can only carry 4K. I'd rather up a B-26 with better armerment and speed. Otherwise :aok. Always a good plane to add.
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I think its actually slower than that. IF there was something for the PBY to do in this game I'd be all for it. Just not really a good use for it.
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FSO periodically has had recon missions as an objective, so there would be a place there
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"in place of the bombs we could carry people"
Sounds wicked cool. We could get up to about 30k above some fleet and then
go straight into a dive! At about 15k we could pickle the peoples hanging on
the shackles. More of a splat than a kaboom I imagine.
But HTC could make a pissah-great splattering jello animation for when the
peoples hit the flight deck!!
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I always thought the PBY would be a good plane to add on maps with the regular (non-airfield) ports. You could have them available to launch in the water like a pt boat, enabled as long as ord is up for an ord loadout or as long as troops are up for troops. This would make porking port more important and defending or attacking it more interesting.
Another possibility...since this plane was so versatile in WW2...suppose you could launch from a cv group with supplies, troops or ord? Might seriously reduce lvt usage but otherwise could amount to some fun. The cv group already has a spawn point in the water for boats, so it could be spawned right there and go.
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the only catch to taking troops in it is that you'd have no way of getting them out.... To my knowledge the PBY was not a para-jumper plane... and landing on the ground (non-runway) is not historically realistic. Maybe if you landed in water, and let troops go, a little raft could take them to shore... but that's gotta be slow as hell. I just don't see it sadly.
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the only catch to taking troops in it is that you'd have no way of getting them out.... To my knowledge the PBY was not a para-jumper plane... and landing on the ground (non-runway) is not historically realistic. Maybe if you landed in water, and let troops go, a little raft could take them to shore... but that's gotta be slow as hell. I just don't see it sadly.
Actually, I believe either the -5 or -5A and later were amphibious and completely capable of land operation.
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Excellent idea and all. We have occasions in scenarios where we actually use PT's to pick up downed airmen and C-47s. Our scouts for Coral Sea were B25s I recall on the US Side-cant remember.
Wasn't the PBY a scout as well as a medical and transport plane too. It has a place and even in the MA might be a way to extricate a downed pilot - recovered and RTB'd. It would require the .join xyz command to jump into the plane once it was close enough to effect the rescue.
:aok :aok Great Suggestion and a usefull one. Worth another visit, IMO.
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Actually, I believe either the -5 or -5A and later were amphibious and completely capable of land operation.
I believe you are right, I think the 5A had retractable tricycle gear for amphibious operations. I've heard the PBY idea thrown around quite a bit but it never dawned on me as an option from a port, I really like that idea. :aok
Definitely could be used for cargo, I don't know how much it was used for troop transport. I know it was used for commercial air travel after the war but I don't think that's enough to justify troop transport.
But as cool as it would be, I'm not sure it would play a big enough role to justify.
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My Dad flew em in WW2, so I'd love to see them...but in AH, they would be an amphibious goon that carried some bombs
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It would be cool to get picked up from out of the water and get some perks for it . But there are many planes that would be great for us .
Nutte :salute
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Been asked for many times before. May be cool to see it added but won't have much effectiveness, not many people want a 220 mph aircraft (dunno if thats its exact speed but its in that region) that can only carry 4K. I'd rather up a B-26 with better armerment and speed. Otherwise :aok. Always a good plane to add.
it would be the PERFECT sneak attack plane because of this,they could go in right in front of the goons,drop their ords,and mop up the ack. I think ti would be better than a 110 BECAUSE of the fact that they aren't a whole lot faster than a goon.
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it would be the PERFECT sneak attack plane because of this,they could go in right in front of the goons,drop their ords,and mop up the ack. I think ti would be better than a 110 BECAUSE of the fact that they aren't a whole lot faster than a goon.
"Mop up the ack" with what?
And, better at doing it than (insert any plane name here)?
wrongway
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Any plane that has the throttle and RPM hanging from the top of the cockpit has got to be AWSOME! :x Just kidding, would be fun though. :)
(http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/8/1/5/1228518.jpg)
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Any plane that has the throttle and RPM hanging from the top of the cockpit has got to be AWSOME! :x Just kidding, would be fun though. :)
(http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/8/1/5/1228518.jpg)
They've gotta have room for the center console cup holders!
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The PBY-5A is a very important plane of WWII it was a bomber and at could carry people. We could use it from ports as a bomber thanks to its floats or by a CV for a landed successfully. It could carry 4,000IB of bombs which is even with that of the B-26 and for then the B-25. It could also carry torpedoes a nice thing because we only have the Ju-88 that can carry 2 Torpedoes. Then It carried people so in place of the bombs we could carry people but I know the PBY didn't para-drop so you would have to land to let them out. Plus a aircraft as important and unique as this should be in this great of a game.
First post, very nice! Use of punctuation, grammar, no "cuz its kewl lol", solid facts. :aok :salute
I've always wanted to see the PBY added. Despite being slow and very vulnerable it can do so many different jobs that not many aircraft can.
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To make it even more useful, it could have a reduced radar ring (9 mile radius). This could be used as a "flying radar ring" to show enemy cons at radar disabled friendly bases, or to give a heads up to a CV raid from the ocean. Then I'd suppose we'd have to give the option on the clipboard to "disable PBY dar" because of the mess caused by all of the extra dar rings moving around.
I believe it was the PBY-6A that had a radar. Though I don't know how powerful it was, I'm sure it couldn't match the range of a land based radar system.
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To make it even more useful, it could have a reduced radar ring (9 mile radius). This could be used as a "flying radar ring" to show enemy cons at radar disabled friendly bases, or to give a heads up to a CV raid from the ocean. Then I'd suppose we'd have to give the option on the clipboard to "disable PBY dar" because of the mess caused by all of the extra dar rings moving around.
I believe it was the PBY-6A that had a radar. Though I don't know how powerful it was, I'm sure it couldn't match the range of a land based radar system.
-6A was the first one to have it as a 'standard' option, but the -5A could carry a setup similar to what the Sunderland carried with all the big bleedin' aerials.
PBY-6A with the radome behind the cockpit.
(http://pictopia.com/perl/get_image?provider_id=319&size=550x550_mb&ptp_photo_id=323752)
And a -5 with the aerial under the starboard wing.
(http://www.airforce.forces.gc.ca/v2/equip/resrc/images/hst/l-g/catalinaa70.jpg)
Line-drawing diagram of a radar-equipped -5A
(http://www.angelfire.com/fm/compass/catalina1.jpg)
(http://www.angelfire.com/fm/compass/catalina2.jpg)
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One way the PBY would be useful is that if it spotted a CV, that boat would then become visible on the map for a given length of time, with its estimated course (say a line just like your own country's CV, but only showing a randomly generated waypoint along its current heading). The position would NOT update unless the PBY maintained contact.
So lets say a Rook Catalina spots a Nit CV about 50 miles outside an airfield and the icon becomes visible, showing the boat headed SE. The PBY shadows the CV for a bit as it approaches its target base before the Nits send up a CAP to shoot it down. The icon would then remain in its last known position, showing its last known course, for the next half hour or so. Meanwhile the Rooks organize a CV-killer strike and head out towards the last reported location and heading, while the Nits, knowing their boat has been spotted, turn the CV.
Now, much like historical CV battles, as the Rooks arrive the CV may not be in its original location, requiring a final position fix.
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+1
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Any plane that has the throttle and RPM hanging from the top of the cockpit has got to be AWSOME! :x Just kidding, would be fun though. :)
In addition, any plane that had empty beer bottles and shrapnel fragments as a regular part of their ordnance loadout is just pure awesomeness.
ack-ack
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Any plane that has the throttle and RPM hanging from the top of the cockpit has got to be AWSOME! :x Just kidding, would be fun though. :)
That's the way they were on many flying boats. :)
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good idea i think it could carry 4 fish and i think one of the models have a cannon in the nose
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brastinson,
The cannon-armed bird I believe was a Black Cat field mod. However I think a number of them were factory-built with quad .50cal up front.
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+1 :aok
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brastinson,
The cannon-armed bird I believe was a Black Cat field mod. However I think a number of them were factory-built with quad .50cal up front.
Does that mean anyone in my squad could get 20mms on the nose? :D
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"in place of the bombs we could carry people"
Sounds wicked cool. We could get up to about 30k above some fleet and then
go straight into a dive! At about 15k we could pickle the peoples hanging on
the shackles. More of a splat than a kaboom I imagine.
But HTC could make a pissah-great splattering jello animation for when the
peoples hit the flight deck!!
:rofl
I like this idea. Well, the original post, the dar equipped... Ah hell, I like this entire thread :aok
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One way the PBY would be useful is that if it spotted a CV, that boat would then become visible on the map for a given length of time, with its estimated course...
I like that idea. Would be a new fun element in the MA, and the PBY would certainly have a home in Special Events.
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The PBY-5A is a very important plane of WWII it was a bomber and at could carry people. We could use it from ports as a bomber thanks to its floats or by a CV for a landed successfully. It could carry 4,000IB of bombs which is even with that of the B-26 and for then the B-25. It could also carry torpedoes a nice thing because we only have the Ju-88 that can carry 2 Torpedoes. Then It carried people so in place of the bombs we could carry people but I know the PBY didn't para-drop so you would have to land to let them out. Plus a aircraft as important and unique as this should be in this great of a game.
+1, but I don't really see MUCH use except as a CV heavy bomber if what you say is true. I think that if you were have to land troops then we should have it listed as an attack plane so you can earn perks for attack planes. I'm sorry, but the Ar.234 isn't worth reducing by half, your KTD, and often not making it. Over all, I think once it's added if it makes it, it will see use by even those who oppose it. But we really need to fill out the plane set for ITALY, Russia, and Japan, in order of importance.
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+1, but I don't really see MUCH use except as a CV heavy bomber if what you say is true. I think that if you were have to land troops then we should have it listed as an attack plane so you can earn perks for attack planes. I'm sorry, but the Ar.234 isn't worth reducing by half, your KTD, and often not making it. Over all, I think once it's added if it makes it, it will see use by even those who oppose it. But we really need to fill out the plane set for ITALY, Russia, and Japan, in order of importance.
It really wouldn't be all that effective as a "CV heavy bomber" due to its limited payload. An A-20 would be far more effective in that role than the Catalina. The Catalina also didn't have internal bomb racks, bomb racks were on the wings and bombs were stored where they could fit inside and rolled out of a hatch on the floor by crew members.
Would be effective in game in taking out the barge supply convoys at the coastal bases.
ack-ack
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My point remains valid. It wouldn't see much use in a role other than that, and maybe some torpedoing.
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I like that idea. Would be a new fun element in the MA, and the PBY would certainly have a home in Special Events.
Wxactly. Imagine running the Midway scenario in FSO again, only this time where the first frame is entirely the defense of Midway island, while the two navies search for each others' carriers.
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Might get kinda boring, but still good.
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Might get kinda boring, but still good.
The game is only as exciting as you make it. So is life. That's why I bring C-47s to furballs.
:x
(I still want the Catalina!)
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Catbird ! :aok +1
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The game is only as exciting as you make it. So is life. That's why I bring C-47s to furballs.
:x
(I still want the Catalina!)
Pfffft. I LAND C47's in the middle of furballs.
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Pfffft. I LAND C47's in the middle of furballs.
That's why you don't find it entertaining, you're not fighting ;)
Back on topic...
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The hell I don't find it entertaining. I love to taunt the wirbs. Lol, I upped an M16, and then a wirb, next to an airbase. I was attacked by an Ar234, and an Il-2. The 234 strafed me while flying away. The Il-2 actually killed me but I damaged his engine, then reuped.
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:aok Great idea. :aok Hmmm, seems to be a popular one too.
It would be need if there was a ramp at the port where you could roll these in and out of the water, for the amphibious models anyway.
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:aok Great idea. :aok Hmmm, seems to be a popular one too.
It would be need if there was a ramp at the port where you could roll these in and out of the water, for the amphibious models anyway.
Or they could just bob and weave in the water...and take off like a PT Spawn :) At least you could achieve a safe landing if pulled up to the pier!!
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Wait until submarines are in the game and then Cats will probably be introduced also since they carry depth charges.
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Wait until submarines are in the game and then Cats will probably be introduced also since they carry depth charges.
agreed
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To make it even more useful, it could have a reduced radar ring (9 mile radius). This could be used as a "flying radar ring" to show enemy cons at radar disabled friendly bases, or to give a heads up to a CV raid from the ocean. Then I'd suppose we'd have to give the option on the clipboard to "disable PBY dar" because of the mess caused by all of the extra dar rings moving around.
Wow, I really like this idea. A whole new role in Aces High for a completely new plane. How rare, eh? Great idea!~
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Wow, I really like this idea. A whole new role in Aces High for a completely new plane. How rare, eh? Great idea!~
quite a few things, if added, would probably cause new roles, or at least a new type of pilot (like buff hunters, GVers, furballers, etc).