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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Karnak on June 21, 2000, 09:19:00 PM
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I'm just getting slaughtered everytime I fly.
I'm getting sick of being insulted, being called a Dweeb and a cheater because I fly the Spitfire. I'm tired of hearing about Sissyfires, Barbiefires and any other insulting term for the Spitfire (I dare any of thses F4U-1C or Bf109G-10 pilots to fly the Spitfire and keep their kill/death ratio where it is). I'm tired of the guys flying F4U-1C's, Bf109G-10s and Fw190A-8s and A-5s say how I'm taking an unfair advantage by using angle fighters (which I happen to prefer) all the while they slaughter me.
Why should I pay $30.00 a month for this kind of immature abuse from guys who think that everyone should fly the way they do?
I haven't even hit anything AFAIK in 2 weeks. This is very frusterating and there doesn't seem to be any lessening of the BS in sight.
I just had my A6M5b tag teamed by two BnZing F4U-1Cs. I managed to survive till the 4th or 5th pass, even took some hits on the 2nd pass and didn't die. I don't blame the pilots of the F4U-1Cs, but it is very frusterating, "Oh, gee. Look, I'm back in the tower. Yay. Let's go do it again.".
I would REALLY like to see a angle fighter added that is not a complete sitting duck for every energy fighter out there. A Spitfire XIV would at least allow me to have a shot at disengaging, but as it is, if I engage in a fight, I die. Period. If I try to disengage, the energy fighter will simply chase down my slow Spit or Zero and kill it as I present an easy 6 shot to him.
Dang it. I'm just very frusterated (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
But I won't quit yet.
You guys'll have me as a target drone for a bit longer at least.
Sisu
-Karnak
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Get alt - only dive on other angle fighters.
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Zero isn't fast enough and the Spit doesn't have the fuel to loiter.
Sisu
-Karnak
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What kind of immature abuse would you be willing to pay $30 a month for then? Maybe we can work something out.
ra
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Try the 190-A5.
-Westy
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Sorry Westy, I don't fly Nazi aircraft. That is just something I've never been able to separate. I don't think that many of those who fly German aircraft have Nazi sympathies, although I have met some in real life. I just can't separate the two and be comfortable. Thats why they need to put in a good Allied angle fighter (I'm Finnish extract so Russian fighters don't really work for me either). We NEED, or at least I NEED, the Spitfire MkXIV.
Sisu
-Karnak
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I belong to JG2! I fly the Spit all the time! Sure I get rasseled, but I realized it takes massive skill to fly a Spitfire in the MA and survive. The people who get on your case probably don't have the skill it take to fly the Spit! So don't worry about it!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Actually! The people who rag on me are usually my own squadmates! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
If they are serious! Then it means they are alittle bit jealous too. Many of the people who harrass Spit pilots have no idea why they do it. Basically they are just jumping on a bandwagon, and they have no idea what it is about. I refer to that class of pilot as a "Twit"
I have had many pilots engage me and when I shoot them down, they scream "Spitdweeb!"
I just smile and carry on!!
One of the objects of this sim is to shoot down enemy pilots. The best way you know how! If flying a Spit is how you do it best, then so be it!
Just enjoy, all is good!! Swager deems it so! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Fly whatever you prefer and FORK 'em.
Many BnZers fly the style they do because attacking holding ALL the cards and winning makes them feel better pilots.If you fly a SPIT and they have a prob with it likely its because the superb Spitfire makes there task of an easy kill from the energy adv.difficult.
If you want a REAL blast(in my book),take active part in the dueling ladder and force THEM to fly the Spit too! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Hold your head high fellow angle-fighter!
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karnak..
Not sure what your doing wrong, but guys like Mitsu who fly the Spit seem to be doing very well. So well in fact he was up last night in a Zero killin 190a5s..
So,change your tactics or look for a wingman that will complement your own skills. Wingman is the best option by far.
Dog out.........
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Karnak: I share some your frustration. I noticed that sometimes when I got a slightly lower shot at another AC head on, I would get kills and at other times I'd ping em pretty good from close range and they just flew away to gain altitude and then blow me away. I pinged the heck out of a 38 one day with the spit9 and it just flew away like nothing happened. Maybe its the rubber bullet thing that some folks have mentioned. I also noticed that the rooks seem to dominate the battles to the point that it seems useless to be a Bishop. A lot of people mentioned this in the arena. During my two week trial there was only one stick sturring event-but if guys do it-it just messes the game up to the point where u might as well go to another base etc.. And at times it seems that the knights join the rooks in attacking the bishops. Three sides seems a little goofy- i think two would be better. I didn't hear of anyone using the SpitV or the 109F in combat. I like the flight model on the spitv but the speed of the 51's and firepower of the F4U and Niks pretty much outclass it. I'd like to see some special events for the zero, spitv and 109F-4 only. As for continuing on the monthly plan I have not decided for sure but I'm staying out for awhile to see if the game changes much. Maybe my patience level is less because I'm older but I don't wish to pay 30 bucks/month for a sort of disorganized bash of the same fields over and over.
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Mitsu has 290 kills and has been killed 34 times in the Spitfire Mk IX.
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That is near 10 to 1
I have a much smaller sample but find myself nearly 5 to 1 in it. I some how managed to out run a coalt low f4u as well...dont know how. Just pointed and floored it.
Looking at your stats you dont seem to be flying much. That would make a big difference.
No fighter of any political persuasion will help you much till you get your hit % above 4% or so.
How many pilots in how many planes in this game do you think could last long against two hi F4Us that were working together and flown well.
You must also have a political aversion to E fighting. The Spit IX is an excellent E fighter. It has excellent climb, excellent guns but you have to be able to hit what you shoot at.
Your spit bought you some time that other planes would not have. A G10 pilot would likly have been dead sooner. Certainly a FW would have been.
If you only fly it in situations where the enemy has that kind of advantage against you you will not likely do better in a spit XIV.
I fly everyday with a pilot that has near 2 to 1 k to d in the Spit IX. I try to make sure he does. That is the big equalizer in this game. It is also the most fun in the game. Find some one who flys the same times as you and try to keep each other alive. The rest you learn with time.
As to you comments about people calling you names..are you for real? I have seen someone called a name about flying spitfires maybe once in 8? months on open channel. On this bbs maybe but its no more common then luftwobbels, nazis, cannondweebs, ponydweeb or anything else.
The spitfire is a phenomonaly easy plane to fly in this game. Maybe the 190A5 will give it a run as it seems a very diversly capable plane as well but YOU must learn to take advantage of its strengths and avoid its weaknesses.
Work on your accuracy. The Spit has phenominal guns. Work on finding some one to keep you alive that is the biggest key living here and in WW2.
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Dont worry about it. There is only one plane in the game noted for running AWAY from a fight. And we all know what that one is.
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easymo is right
109G10 is the guilty of being the a runner when confronted at coalt or even if it has a 5k alt advantge.
2nd most runner is the FW190, if it doenst go for the HO he will run till outa fuel.
Have a nice day (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Dog out............
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What the hell is a "Nazi Aircraft"?
I gave the GF's son a bit of a rant when he kept on calling every german in every wargame a "nazi", but I'll shut up. Just don't think the term applied to every single german nail and belt buckle produced during the war...
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<watches Wardog throw gasoline on fire>
LOL man, you're a gem (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Karnak, use .squelch 1. I do it all the time (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif). That and one of Ripsnort's responses. "I don't see your CC number on my Aces High bill so STFU"
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Karnak,
the Spitfire IX is a beautiful fighter. Fast enuff, excellent climb rate, heavy punch (Hispanos are great cannons), good range with ext fuel tank. Very dangerous when used with Hit&Climb techniques, she performs very well in furballs. Get a wingie and go hunting with good alt.
I fly almost only the C.205V and when I meet a Spitfire I know I'll have a tuff fite. When you hear something about Sissy or popsicle-fires, laugh at it. Laugh at me (becouse I hate Spitfires (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)) and at the others. In the same way I do when I read about spaghetti-fighter or something worse (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
And no, not all axis-fiter pilots are evil (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Hehe. Nancy boy, barbiefire, sissyfire, spitdweeb;
You need a thick skin to play this game. Folks are always gonna squeak about your ride of choice, especially if you shoot them down in it. And at heart, many people hate the spit because it's great fun to have an angle fight swirling through 20,000 feet of altitude, ending on the deck, stall horn blaring, using every single trick in the book.
It's just those damn spits retain E so well that if a fight becomes "personal", they lose, and they whine about the non-pilot flying a sissyfire. If they kill you, they can gloat about having taken one more spitdweeb out of the market, making their kill extra Worthy as they removed an undesirable. If they get killed, well, it's supposed to happen because the Spit has an anti-gravity device and overmodelled cannons shooting lethal beach balls, so it doesn't hurt so bad.
The only current planes in the set which, as fighters, will not earn you scorn are, IMHO:
c.202 Folgore
Typhoon IB
F4U-1D
and maybe the zeke.
Fly anything else, and expect to be taunted.
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Karnak, regarding your roots, why not try the G-2? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Tsemppiä,
Camo
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Originally posted by Karnak:
Sorry Westy, I don't fly Nazi aircraft. That is just something I've never been able to separate. I don't think that many of those who fly German aircraft have Nazi sympathies, although I have met some in real life. I just can't separate the two and be comfortable. Thats why they need to put in a good Allied angle fighter (I'm Finnish extract so Russian fighters don't really work for me either). We NEED, or at least I NEED, the Spitfire MkXIV.
Sisu
-Karnak
Theres Bf109G-2 remember, with FAF markings (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
and in flight simulators, its not the party, its the plane.
Besides, I've made 100 kills and died twice in Spit 9. (and I like mostly Fw190 and Bf109 series)
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Originally posted by Wardog:
2nd most runner is the FW190, if it doenst go for the HO he will run till outa fuel.
Have a nice day (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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..................said by a P51 guy.
Wardog you never fighted me in a 190 isnt it?.. I NEVER headon unless being in a 3-1 odds and I NEVER run unless I am in complete hopeless situation.
You P51 runstang drivers ALL run. EVERY ONE OF YOU.
(did you like that? isnt true is it?...ok now you understand why I feel disgusted when you put ALL the 190 drivers in the same pocket).
dont generalize, Wardog. And less being, as you are, a p51 driver.
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I thought Easymo was talkin about the Mustang!?!
But Wardog is right to some extent, I'll run like a SOB in a G-10 if I'm in trouble. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Karnak,
I know where you're coming from - I really do - look at my stats for this tour and the last and you'll see I die 95% of the time and I fly almost exclusively Spit IX.
However I'm not going to quit or pack up flying the Spit because I believe when I've learn't how to fly it properly I'll have the advantage over most. And that is the point here - I KNOW I fly it badly and I know that 90% of my losses are my fault due to poor SA, gunnery, handling, wrong colour socks ...whatever. I used to think I did OKish and that most of it was due to meeting better performing a/c but since I started training with Sharky I've realised how bad I really am - now I'm absolutely focused on learning to fly and use the Spit to it's best. So that's my next point - from the tone of your post I don't think you'll change your K/D ratio without help and I would suggest arranging some good training with someone - I found it as enjoyable as MA flying and gave me a whole new set of concepts to consider. Essentially what I've been taught is that you have to work the oppo into fighting on your terms not theirs. So... if you meet a pure B&Z'r then you have to sucker them into turning - if they are smart then they won't but if you're good enough you should be able to defend to a point where they have to break off or fight on your terms- basically whoever makes the first mistake looses and that's why I die so quick - I make the mistakes early.
Hang in there and I think it would all come good.
If you are ever online and I'm around give me a call and we'll wing together - I can't teach you anything but maybe we can watch each others back.
Sparks
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Karnak,
Whether ya stay or not is up to you, but if you think the spit is not a good aircraft then i have to dissagree. Take a look at Mitsu's score. He has just been nudged out of the number 1 slot on the ranks and he (till 1.03) flies spitfire mk 9 - and he started the tour halfway through.
People tend to scorn other planes that either fustrate them or get the better of them. People who moan the spit is a wimps plane, or whatever, are the people who are fustrated by its ability to fight or they just plain get beaten by them.
Im sure you know this, but you have to identify what your 'ride' does well and exploit that, and shy away from things it does poorly. For example im tired of people yelling 'runstang... ya de ya de ya, moan, moan, moan' all because a stang has the ability to disengage near at will. If your losing the fight why push it and get killed? Why not disengage. They yell at ya only cause they cant - cracks me up. It may well be a cowardly action, but if its the only option left (next to dying) then its plain sensible.
Fly your spitfire with pride, as all the valiant pilots of the 2nd world war did and kick some bellybutton in it. (please dont take this as meaning people who didn't fly spits in ww2 were not valiant - thats just pathetic nit-picking and is in no way implied).
BTW, the spit 14 would be a very nice addition (i can hear the moans allready).
Spat.
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Ahhwwwww.. how poor you are Angles fighters... Sooooo Outclassed
Give me a break !
Spits Climb excellent, they are fast, the accelerate like a greased lightning, they got cannons, they can turn on a dime and loop almost forever..
What the heck are you complaining about ? That F4U'sonly attack you from above ? What do you expect when the only advantage he has is top speed but the rest of the aces arein your hand...
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Well its unforntunate you get so razzled by simple text....
I like to say this to settle your claim that Fw190's and Bf109g10 pilots wouldn't be able to keep their K/D up... Last camp I was undefeated in the spitfire.(Some tank blew me up on runway though if you call that a victory.)
Personally I think its way easy to be dominant in that plane. Don't get me wrong other aircraft fit into the same genre..(p38, Niki,) Not the cannon hog though.. yes the Chog is extremely dweeby but its no super plane.. I love smoking hogs in my 1942 109f4 they think they e bleed and out radii me hahah they get smoked quick with my pee shooter gun package.(very happy fuzzy feeling killin them too.)
I would say the best planes in the arena to get kills in my opinion would be p38, spit, niki, in that order... those 3 planes can handle almost any situation thrown at them in the MA... (granted 3-4 on 1 gang bang is a bit much.. but 2 on 1's these planes can do on a regular basis. and come out on top..)
I would also like to point out that the Late war spitfires are energy fighters not turn and burners... If you fly you dweebfire(sorry spitfire) above 250mph nothing can touch you... just my 2 cents... Fly the Spit like a 109 using e tactics and you should dominate.
Flame on..
DoctorYO
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Karnak,
Sounds like you need an RAF(Polish) squad to join. I happen to know one that makes flying a Spitfire very survivable.
Surviving is much easier when you have a squadron to fly with and help protect you. And since we fly the Spitfire almost exclusively, you'll always be in good company.
FunkedUp, let's grab this boy! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Hi karnak...
I haven't been able to hit the hanger in the last few weeks of flying any type of plane. I even miss chutes. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Frustrated, I took out a Panzer IV on the first day v1.03 was released. I snuck up on the Bishops (new 1.5k vis range is great!!!) at Field 13 and managed a 10 kill sortie, including 2 other panzers, an m16 and the balance were planes trying to strafe me.
So, I guess what I'm saying is try something completely different to what you're doing now and see what happens before you call it a day.
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It's very hard to use and angles type of approach agains and energy fighter. You can evade, but it is very hard to attack.
This is why as world war II progressed the emphasis waz places on making planes flight higher, faster, dive better, climb better, not turn well.
The Spitfire IX is a very good energy flighter, if you fly it gently it keeps its energy very well. If you haul it around the sky with the stall horn blaring you're going to be in trouble just as much as you would in any plane.
I think part of the reason that Spitfires geta hard time is because of the number of new guys that fly thme (when someone pops up and asks what is a good plane for a beinner the answer is usually Spitfire or P38.
I have a kills per death of around 1 usually, it's nearer 2 in Spitfire vs Spitfire, I think that tells a lot.
For what it's worth the Spitfire XIV won't help you, it's much more of an energy fighter than the V or IX. It has awesome speed and climb, but is heavier and has some really nasty low speed handling traits.
I've flew the Spitfire V almost exclusively last tour and the Spitfire IX exclusively this tour. Not sure what to fly next tour, likely it'll be either the Yak 9U or one of the Bf109s.
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I never thought I'd see the day when people felt they had to post: 'no really, the Spit IX ain't that bad a plane...'. This must be a sign that the Endtime is here.
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LOL (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) ... ehm ... ok, I stop it.
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Karnak, you lost me when you said "Nazi" aircraft.
Good luck.
-Westy
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Originally posted by RAM:
You P51 runstang drivers ALL run. EVERY ONE OF YOU.
(did you like that? isnt true is it?...ok now you understand why I feel disgusted when you put ALL the 190 drivers in the same pocket).
dont generalize, Wardog. And less being, as you are, a p51 driver.
www.senseohumour.com (http://www.senseohumour.com) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Dweebfire, runstang, altmonkey 109's. Its all said in good fun. I dont really believe all 190 drivers are running HO dweebs but its fun to blurt it out from time to time while cruseing around in my sissyfire.
Repeat after me:
Its all in good fun
Its all in good fun
Its all in good fun
Breath in through nose, out through mouth.
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Tell 'em all to stick it! They just don't appreciate how difficult it is to manipulate rudder pedals wearing heels! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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I never claimed I was actually any good, but I would like to have an option to do something besides die when I get seen by an enemy aircraft.
I've tried using the Spit IX as an energy fighter, came down so fast I was almost not controlable, missed my target and then had to use all of my WEP and fuel to outrun a low P-38 that gave chase. I barely outran a guy who had been circling 5,000 feet below me. I never did a energy bleeding turn and I barely outran this guy. If he'd been in a 109G-10, P-51 or a Corsair I would have died.
There are some/many pilots who are very good, I'm not saying that it isn't possible to survive if you're good. While Mitsu (one of the best fighter pilots) was up in a Zero killing A-5s, I was in a Zero being killed by F4U-1Cs, A-5s and N1K2s. The reason my accuracy is so bad is that I have to fire from a range of 800. I can't get any closer than that. I guess I could keep my accuracy score up by never firing. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
I can't fly as much as you guys because I work long hours. I have, maybe, 1 hour a night to play.
I have flown the 109G-2. Once. Its slower and less manueverable than the Spit. I died very quickly in it.
I think maybe that I am simply not in a position to play this kind of game. It requires a larger time investment than I can make.
I'm not quitting yet, but I don't see an relief in sight.
Sisu
-Karnak
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LOL (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I don't really have too much a problem with any one plane, but that don't stop me from a-bashing one if I lose a fight.
My current favorite pissyname is "F4Dweeb-r-U 1Crutch". (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Then again I like the P-38 and everyone just calls me a BIGFAH target...
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Jedi
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Karnak, are you in a squad? Life expectancy raises sharply when flying with wingman, squadmates.
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Karnak;
I would recomend a short break, possibly suffering from burn-out?
For myself, when I get tired of getting shot down too often (way too often). I just take 2-3 days up to a week off from AH. Then my excitation comes roaring back.
Good Luck to You! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Jedi
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you all guys forget that we are here just for fun , well at least me , in my 4 weeks time playing this game I have heared many things about this plane and the other , if you fly an f4u people blame you if you fly an spit people blame you, if you are a pony driver people says your a runner, I think all the people that blames others just for fly his lovely planes and his own tactics are just a bunch of stupid kids that never whant to lose, so what if im a runner or cannon or hog altidut figt if you continue in this way just go and fly other simulator or request to HT to make an arena where just bombers can fly and just log there. I allways will fly the plane I like and the tactics I feel better if you dont like it who cares? me no (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
the other day I shoot down another guy with a f4u-c and he sends me this message "terra you are an dweeb" in that moment I dont understand it because my english is poor I now I now what this mean
hey why he insults me just because I shoot him down with the f4u should I use allways an m-16 to dont be blamed? well thats just my way to see that things (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Now that i have my 190 i no longer hate any planes! From this day forward i will not call anyone a dweeb for flying a particular airplane (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) (pending future aircraft, of course) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Karnak:
Well, your nazi statement is just dumb. Really dumb, youre flying a "jap" aircraft, the japanese committed as many attrocities in ww2 as the germans did (ever hear of bataan?) so thats just an idiot response. Flying a plane does NOT mean you sympathize with that countries politics.
Now, on to your flying. Try the mustang. It is one of the top 3 planes in the game, it can always get away and chase things down. Give it a try, its no TnB but if you fly it right you can outturn p38s, 109s, 190s, and other stangs (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Westy,
You may not like the term "Nazi aircraft" but like it or not that's what it is. It has a swastika(spelling oops) on the tail and everything. It was built by Nazi's and flown by Nazi's. Some people do not distinguish between the people and the plane. It is not wrong it is a choice. A very personal choice. I have read the JG26 war diaries and I understand that not all pilots were politically Nazies but they all fought to further the Nazi cause. That is enough for many to choose not to fly those A/C. There are people in this world who choose to wear Charles Manson T-shirts. Does it make them a murderer? No, but it is disturbing to some. Some people burn the American flag, does this make you a traitor? No, but it certainly doesn't make you a patriot. Would you wear a swastika to represent yourself anywhere else but in this community? I am not trying to offend anyone although I'm sure I just did. But I think some people in the Warbird community take the "Nazi" symbol way to lightly. It will be for all time a representation of what it is and was.
I know this is out of place in this forum so I'll get of my soapbox.
Thanks
F4UDOA
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I'm not blaming anybody and I don't call other planes insulting names that insinuate that those who fly them are cheating. Sorry to start this whine session. I'm under quite a bit of stress in reality right now, and one way that I try to relax is to play a game. Its just that trying my best and flying as hard as I can only to die repeatedly isn't relaxing. 1 Zero against to BnZing F4U-1Cs is a losing proposition. I'm kinda pleased that it took them 5 passes to get me. But I still died.
About the Nazi aircraft thing. What I mean is not that people who fly them are Nazis, but that I can't separate what they were used to defend. I can't make it "just another fighter" in my mind. For what ever reason, I can do that with the Japanese aircraft. This is me personally. I have no problem with anybody flying German aircraft. My roommate prefers to fly the 109. I personally cannot be comfortable or enjoy the fight when I fly in a German aircraft. Thats just me. I was trying to explain why I won't fly the Fw190A-5.
Sisu
-Karnak
[This message has been edited by Karnak (edited 06-22-2000).]
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Karnak plse stay,
we all get some frustrating periodes from time to time ,)
Try the niki for t&b or make some runs in the p51 for b& z.
Mustang is a great plane + always has the ability to escape if flown smart.
Other than this, don't give a damn on ch 1 babeling. Heck, my whole squad (eurepean sector)is whininig is i fly to many sorties in my runstang (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
blitz
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As someone said in this thread already Karnak, if 2 hi F4Us catch you with alt, in a slower aircraft, you should expect to die: I certainly would. If I survive in that situation, it's because the bad guys have done something wrong, not because I'm a bad pilot. Although I may question my SA...
It's kind of easy to get frustrated after being shot down, take off in a rage and dive into the first fight you see, desperate for Revenge (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) When you (inevitably) die as a result, the whole process can (equally inevitably) repeat itself.
If you are patient, and tired of dying, work on your SA. Only commit yourself to a fight if you can A) Win and B) Disengage if things go badly. Boring? Maybe, maybe not. But it sounds like more fun than you're having right now.
*HINT* Flying with a wingie helps with both of these, as does training (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Good Luck
Vladd
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(I'm Finnish extract...
Sisu
-Karnak[/B]
AHH There it is (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I have always wondered where you picked that 'Sisu' word (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
For any of you non-Finnish people, 'Sisu' means a kind of stubborness, an attitude to not to give up.
Karnak, don't give up now (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Harppa
Flying Mongrels
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Not giving up. Just venting. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Sisu
-Karnak
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Interesting that the FW was heavily involved in the defence of finland.
There are no swastiklers on the aircraft in this game f4u. But there were b17s,p51s,spits etc.etc in real life that had them.
But I doubt there was a corsair with one so stick with that.
But I know what your saying..You hate. And that makes your stupid opinion ok. Thanks for sharing it.
You would have a boring game without people to hate that fly the planes you hate.
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Actually Pongo, you have no bleeding clue what I'm talking about.
Sisu
-Karnak
[This message has been edited by Karnak (edited 06-22-2000).]
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Other then the first line which was in response to this.
"About the Nazi aircraft thing. What I mean is not that people who fly them are Nazis, but that I can't separate what they were used to defend. "
My post was directed at F4DoA.
Statements have been made here by you and others that no matter the discaimer are intended to paint people that like german WWII aircraft as being sypathetic with the german goverenment of WW2.
I must protest. And I will.
Anybody that would not protest such nonsense is condoning it.
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As I said Pongo, you have no idea what I'm talking about.
I tried with this statement to make myself clear:
About the Nazi aircraft thing. What I mean is not that people who fly them are Nazis, but that I can't separate what they were used to defend. I can't make it "just another fighter" in my mind. For what ever reason, I can do that with the Japanese aircraft. This is me personally. I have no problem with anybody flying German aircraft. My roommate prefers to fly the 109. I personally cannot be comfortable or enjoy the fight when I fly in a German aircraft. Thats just me. I was trying to explain why I won't fly the Fw190A-5.
But evidently you have your head so far up your "bleep" that you're suffering from oxogen deprivation and can't think.
I DO NOT THINK THAT PEOPLE WHO FLY GERMAN AIRCRAFT ARE IN ANY WAY PRO-NAZI
I AM NOT SUBLIMINALLY SUGGESTING THAT YOU ARE A NAZI IF YOU FLY A GERMAN AIRCRAFT
My roommate has no Facist leanings.
Got it? All I was saying is that I don't like to fly German aircraft. And you're calling me a Racist because of that? You can fly whatever you want and I wont call you any names. As soon as you start throwing lies and disinformation out there about me, I'll go for your throat.
Sisu
-Karnak
[This message has been edited by Karnak (edited 06-22-2000).]
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Karnak, stay a bit, I fly everything, I die in everything, I've been called a dweeb, I've HO'd, I've vulched, I've camped spawn points BFD I really don't care it's for fun ya know?
F4UDOA correction meine herre, FW is a german
aircraft, it was built by germans, my grandpa was in the german army in WW2, he was not a Nazi, and anybody says different, well, you are entitled to your opinion, of course, I am entitled to kick you in the balls whenever we should meet.
If any of you really have a problem seperating a game from reality, I suggest you seek professional help before it becomes a REAL problem for you.
(yes I am angry, I'm sick of hearing this garbage) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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pzvg- "5 years and I still can't shoot"
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Karnak
It was not just I that took a very negative meaning from your post, focus on me if you like.
I have reread your posts. Your discaimers are meaningless. You have offended me, sorry if you dont like me pointing that out to you.
As to your flying. You would be a waste of a spit XIV and you would never gain the points to fly it if it was a bonus aircraft. I would however and would take great pleasure in shooting you down a dozen times in one.
At 1.5 % accuracy I am amazed that you have shot down anything. With out hispanos you certainly would not have.
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Karnak...
If anyone here relates to your comments I do (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
I've flown for over 5 yrs, payed a reasonable share of dues and feel that I'm a reasonably competent stick. I'm also I died in the wool pure angles flier....so....my numbers do and will always suck unless I change my flying...why...simple...this game does a better job of mirroring real life than AW...If you flew in WW2 like I fly here...you died...PERIOD. The best example of all is Bob Hoover...arguably the greatest dogfighter of all time...who only flew one combat sortie (where he engaged) killed two planes and wounded a 3rd...then was nailed on a hi deflection snapshot by a 190 ace.
Sounds just like AH... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I love flying AH, and I'm learning to have fun with it again. But, I've realized it's up to me to determine what "fun" is for me.
The other thing to realize is alot of these "ubber drivers" are just amazing sticks. Don't just assume cause they drive a B&Zer that your losing cause your an angles flier. I consider myself a pretty decent 1 on 1 flier (not great but good) and some of these "B&Zer's" just frigging amaze me. Udie,hangtime,torque...list goes on and on...would be dangerous in a gooney if they let em fire their .45 out the window (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Karnak - you think you're getting hammered and have a problem - take a look at my stats:-
K/D 0.082 - yes thats 0 point 0 82
Hit% 0.0168 - note the decimal point position again
<< Sparks walks off to fridge to find a beer shaking head and muttering about people who don't know when they are well off>>
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I'm not going to talk about this any more, ok Pongo?
Sisu
-Karnak
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Karnak,
For what's it worth, the overwhelming majority of the replies here were very supportive in nature. Try to keep your focus on those, and not loose perspective.
Pongo is a good guy, so I'm not sure whats up with the posts, except that all of us do feel strong passions on certain subjects.
Also, if you fly Rook, the Musketeers will share some sky with ya.
Oh, and we have orders to shoot Swager on sight!...He just makes too much sense when he posts on the BBS! Plus he flies wearing a pink tutu and matching tiara!
Cobra
Musketeer Escadrille
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Karnak...
Have you worked with any of the trainers...or any other vets?
I'd be happy to spend some time in the TA with you (once it's back up) working on basic's.
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Originally posted by Cobra:
Oh, and we have orders to shoot Swager on sight!...He just makes too much sense when he posts on the BBS! Plus he flies wearing a pink tutu and matching tiara!
Cobra
Musketeer Escadrille
Ahem, that is ONLY when we find him flying the Spitfire! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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I'd love to spend some time in the TA, but I haven't had much luck finding people there.
Thanks for the offers.
Sisu
-Karnak
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Cobra (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)....a great example of what I said above would be couple weeks ago (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)...Karnak...I chased that damm 1c for 2 sectors (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)...till it got enough smash to double back on me...no ones fault but mine that I flew that aggresively...and their was no doubt that the man holding the stick made it work...not the "dweeb ride" he was in (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Hang in there and find someone to mentor you a bit.
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Cobra.
"Pongo is a good guy, so I'm not sure whats up with the posts, except that all of us do feel strong passions on certain subjects."
When someone equates flying a FW190 in AH to wearing a nazi t-shirt. that will get a response from me.
There should be no mystery why.
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Who equated that, Pongo?
Sisu
-Karnak
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Pongo,
First I do not owe you an explanation for anything and if you or your friend PZVG want to "Kick me in the nuts" well thats fine. But I was explaining to Westy that someones choice not to fly a Nazi A/C from WW2 in a Flight simm is a PERSONAL CHOICE!! Not something for you to judge because you have no personal feeling about the subject. I am not speaking for Karnak either, I am speaking for myself. This isn't about HO's or flight models or who had the best airplanes. It about wearing a polital symbol or associating yourself in some way with a group of people that is still very much active in today's world. My intent was not to compare your flying a Nazi flag on your virtual airplane and wearing it on a t-shirt but to say that for some of us it is still not appropriate. So get your foot out of your mouth and read a book or two. It might help you understand a little better.
F4UDOA
PZVG,
I dream about people like you trying to
"kick me in the nuts". I usually wake up after I tear your arms off.
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Close enough for me to invoke Godwin's law. This is getting old folks.
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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations
Most plans are just inaccurate predictions.