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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: MachFly on September 14, 2009, 07:47:44 PM
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I'm curious, how many people are in SAPP?
50, 100, more?
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Last I saw there were so many that it's membership was about as valuable as a membership to Bi-Mart...
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Scotch, to an extent, I agree. When I flew the 38 a LOT I could really associate with S.A.P.P., but the longer I stayed the more it seemed like people were wanting to be a part of it for the wrong reasons. S.A.P.P. is all about the P-38 and it's history and influence. It's a group of guys where a discussion about the P-38 can never get old. I think once S.A.P.P. begin to grow people began to join just so they could say they were part of a group. I don't really know how to say it. All I DO know is that the 80th and people like AKAK and Murdr are great guys full of knowledge and wit. The guys that actually fly the 38 and nothing else. Don't get me wrong, if I didn't mention your name don't go under the impression that I don't think highly of you. I just used the above as an example.
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Banshee7
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SAPP is a VERY elitist group. The consortium of 12 will discuss your request and get back to you :noid
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Just to clarify that I'm not asking what SAPP is, just wondering how many people are in it these days. I actually was a part of SAPP about a year and a half ago, but left it because I never liked the P-38's engines.
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Just to clarify that I'm not asking what SAPP is, just wondering how many people are in it these days. I actually was a part of SAPP about a year and a half ago, but left it because I never liked the P-38's engines.
Our numbers are irrelevent, all that you need to know is that SAPP is everywhere.
ack-ack
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I'm curious, how many people are in SAPP?
50, 100, more?
we could tell ya, but if we did, then we'd hafta strap ya to the church in the town, give ya 30 lashes with a wet linguini noodle, and then toss a torpedo atcha. :aok :noid
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There's people in SAPP that SAPP don't even know about :D :noid
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Scotch, to an extent, I agree. When I flew the 38 a LOT I could really associate with S.A.P.P., but the longer I stayed the more it seemed like people were wanting to be a part of it for the wrong reasons. S.A.P.P. is all about the P-38 and it's history and influence. It's a group of guys where a discussion about the P-38 can never get old. I think once S.A.P.P. begin to grow people began to join just so they could say they were part of a group. I don't really know how to say it. All I DO know is that the 80th and people like AKAK and Murdr are great guys full of knowledge and wit. The guys that actually fly the 38 and nothing else. Don't get me wrong, if I didn't mention your name don't go under the impression that I don't think highly of you. I just used the above as an example.
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Banshee7
ya forgot one key element sir.
fun
fun
fun
fun
fun
and never at anyones expense....well........in my case, at my own expense.... :noid
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Just to clarify that I'm not asking what SAPP is, just wondering how many people are in it these days. I actually was a part of SAPP about a year and a half ago, but left it because I never liked the P-38's engines.
MY GOD MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
how in the world can you not like the sound of those two mighty allisons?????
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Lets just say that when some folks started thinking SAPP meant anything but 38 stuff and fun, it was time to clean a bit of house, which was done.
It was never meant to be serious and still isn't. Jeez all you need to do is look at the name and it should tell you lots :)
That being said it's a good bunch to share an interest in the 38 with.
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Lets just say that when some folks started thinking SAPP meant anything but 38 stuff and fun, it was time to clean a bit of house, which was done.
It was never meant to be serious and still isn't. Jeez all you need to do is look at the name and it should tell you lots :)
That being said it's a good bunch to share an interest in the 38 with.
QFT
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(http://mobclub.com/resources/productmaster/Ceiling%20cat%20900.jpg)
Ceiling SAPP cat is watching you fap.
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I landed seven kills after this miracle landing, do I qualify to be a SAPP?
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh121/purplehaze835/SAPP.jpg)
Pretty please.....I will bring ice, salt and margarita mix!
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I landed seven kills after this miracle landing, do I qualify to be a SAPP?
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh121/purplehaze835/SAPP.jpg)
Pretty please.....I will bring ice, salt and margarita mix!
1 bullet hole in tail
right aileron missing.
fair start but Im sorry there are 2 full wings, no fire, not even smoke, 2 good engines??? Again Im sorry, tell us you atleast rubbed a blister on your throttle hand. Throw us a bone. Ya know what, throw in tequila and we ll think about it.
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<------------------- wants to be a part of it for the wrong reasons :rock
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Our numbers are irrelevent, all that you need to know is that SAPP is everywhere.
hmm...makes me wonder, does SAPP even know it's own numbers? Being unregistered and all
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MY GOD MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
how in the world can you not like the sound of those two mighty allisons?????
lets save this for another thread......it can become a very long discussion
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Lets just say that when some folks started thinking SAPP meant anything but 38 stuff and fun, it was time to clean a bit of house, which was done.
It was never meant to be serious and still isn't. Jeez all you need to do is look at the name and it should tell you lots :)
That being said it's a good bunch to share an interest in the 38 with.
and some of learn stuff we never knew about that beauty. :aok
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I landed seven kills after this miracle landing, do I qualify to be a SAPP?
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh121/purplehaze835/SAPP.jpg)
Pretty please.....I will bring ice, salt and margarita mix!
hhmm...both wings intact, both engines running, landing gear down, no fires, no blood, no spilled oil or coolant.....epic fail sir! :aok
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lets save this for another thread......it can become a very long discussion
you realize i was asking that in sarcasm?
I like the sound, but that doesn't mean i expect everyone else to.
it's the sound of freedom.
i use twinbooms soundpack..and he has NICE allison sounds. :aok
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you realize i was asking that in sarcasm?
oh
i'm getting tired, kinda late over here (it's been a long day)
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hmm...makes me wonder, does SAPP even know it's own numbers? Being unregistered and all
Your repeated questioning of your superior overlords is very troubling and smells of malcontent. Your behavior will be noted in your file.
ack-ack
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They let Texs Tc in....and he is a spy.
:noid
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hmm...makes me wonder, does SAPP even know it's own numbers? Being unregistered and all
Yes.
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Your repeated questioning of your superior overlords
What?
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What?
You are close to involving the Grand Exalted Ruler of the Consortium of 12 ex officio, in this tomfoolery. But, even worse: "Beware the peg leg." :uhoh
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Not the peg leg! Aces High might not survive the ramifications of such an extreme response as the peg leg! :uhoh
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Not the peg leg! Aces High might not survive the ramifications of such an extreme response as the peg leg! :uhoh
hehe he said ram
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I landed seven kills after this miracle landing, do I qualify to be a SAPP?
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh121/purplehaze835/SAPP.jpg)
Pretty please.....I will bring ice, salt and margarita mix!
something like this. Although there will be points deducted for intact landing gear and 2 good propellors. I actually flipped it, so its not my fault Lockheed made some good stuff. I tried. Maj McGuire wont let me fly Pudgy again.
(http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm155/jasonthehunted/AcesHigh/greatestlandingever.jpg)
and I am a Spie
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something like this. Although there will be points deducted for intact landing gear and 2 good propellors. I actually flipped it, so its not my fault Lockheed made some good stuff. I tried. Maj McGuire wont let me fly Pudgy again.
(http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm155/jasonthehunted/AcesHigh/greatestlandingever.jpg)
and I am a Spie
And why, pray tell, was the SAPP groundcrew not on-hand with hot-dogs and marsmallows upon your landing? Have the standards for the SAPP crash response units been reduced so that the wiener-mobile and Stay-Puff wagon actually wait for the pilot to exit the a/c before beginning their celebrations?!!!
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There's a list of "members" in the forum. I have noticed a big number of people with SAPP in their signature or avatar whom I have never seen on the SAPP boards.
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Ground Crew? You mean there's more to it than Duct Tape? :huh
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Ground Crew? You mean there's more to it than Duct Tape? :huh
ya.
there's crazy glue.
there's rtv silicone(to seal the canopy)
:noid
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And why, pray tell, was the SAPP groundcrew not on-hand with hot-dogs and marsmallows upon your landing? Have the standards for the SAPP crash response units been reduced so that the wiener-mobile and Stay-Puff wagon actually wait for the pilot to exit the a/c before beginning their celebrations?!!!
"At this time, we must consult the Consortium of 12, as we want to avoid compromising any trade secrets. We feel that our landings are sacred and might divulge some unexpected confusion. All of this is stated in fear of "The Peg leg"."
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I landed seven kills after this miracle landing, do I qualify to be a SAPP?
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh121/purplehaze835/SAPP.jpg)
Pretty please.....I will bring ice, salt and margarita mix!
Umm
#1 that is a whole 38.
#2 we don't use "mix" we are hard core "make it from scratch" types.
:P
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Groundcrew started fire I brought the dogs.
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although i had gear intact, i think this pirouette at the end of the landing may have added good points. :x
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/lookinbad4.jpg)
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-5 points for attempting to use gear.....
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-5 points for attempting to use gear.....
but.......but.........i NEEDED it to get that pirouette going!!
HONEST!!
:noid
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Looks more like a SAPP RATO-equipped bird from that snapshot :P
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I hear people talking about SAPP all the time, but I have never seen them, never faced them, never see them land kills. Who are they and why are they so popular?
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I hear people talking about SAPP all the time, but I have never seen them, never faced them, never see them land kills. Who are they and why are they so popular?
Never heard of them either. :uhoh
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I hear people talking about SAPP all the time, but I have never seen them, never faced them, never see them land kills. Who are they and why are they so popular?
Just who are they hmmmm.
#6
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I hear people talking about SAPP all the time, but I have never seen them, never faced them, never see them land kills. Who are they and why are they so popular?
You've been shot down by a few of them. We're not a squadron, we're a group of like minded people united under a common goal of world domination and love for the Lightning. You'll never see a system message stating someone from SAPP landed XXXX amount of kills. You will see, if you check your stats for those that killed you in a P-38, that quite a few are on the SAPP roster.
ack-ack
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I hear people talking about SAPP all the time, but I have never seen them, never faced them, never see them land kills. Who are they and why are they so popular?
SAPP is my worst nightmare!....er....wait!
That didn't come out right! :confused:
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although i had gear intact, i think this pirouette at the end of the landing may have added good points. :x
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/lookinbad4.jpg)
3...2...1...blastoff.
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SAPP landing's in formation are one of the best kept secrets
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Jump.jpg)
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I landed seven kills after this miracle landing, do I qualify to be a SAPP?
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh121/purplehaze835/SAPP.jpg)
Pretty please.....I will bring ice, salt and margarita mix!
Land this and get back to us ;)
(http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/files/murdr/noelev.jpg)
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In all seriousness I wish HTC had a command to damage certain parts of your aircraft.
I have landed without elevators before, was in a P-51 tho.
Best was a 262 with no ailerons or rudder....that was interesting.
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Land this and get back to us ;)
(http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/files/murdr/noelev.jpg)
you have too many parts left.
that's an easy one. trim, and throttle. :aok :D
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Fine...
(http://home.comcast.net/~tdalesr/p-38-elevrud.jpg)
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No rudders, no elevator, and one engine out? I can probably land that. I have more trouble missing a section of wing than anything else.
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you have too many parts left.
that's an easy one. trim, and throttle. :aok :D
Or maybe one flap, a rudder, and missing the elevators and ailerons.
Speaking of which, I have heard speak amongst the masses of a SAPP knock off called SAFP, though they have far fewer members.
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Fine...
(http://home.comcast.net/~tdalesr/p-38-elevrud.jpg)
i think you photoshoped the rudders out
:noid :aok :noid
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Death is slow for those that question.
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I would like to see a SAPP mission. I like the 38 but can't stand to fly it. <S> to those who haved masterd the 38
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I can say that I haved masterd the 38
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Here is my attempt at a SAPP Landing, copied from a saved film so do not mind the "trail". http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=d6da3fd8278a4b03ab1eab3e9fa335cac16b67a0e4df14b2 (http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=d6da3fd8278a4b03ab1eab3e9fa335cac16b67a0e4df14b2)
As my first attempt at anything like it, I feel I did fairly well. Then again I am an amateur.
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I would like to see a SAPP mission. I like the 38 but can't stand to fly it. <S> to those who haved masterd the 38
The 38 is the master.. no one masters the 38 :noid
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The 38 is the master.. no one masters the 38 :noid
The trainer of the 80th has spoken.
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Okay, i got 1 for the SAPP gurus: I was climbing at about 500ft/min around 30k (28k-29k i think) with a 225mph IAS having chased a 4-hog for two sectors because he wanted to protect his perk ride. Suddenly I get compression syndrome going on my bird & go from a climb to a shallow dive, after turning off combat trim & fiddling with my trim tabs i get her under control but too late. So, WTF happened? I'd really appreciate any enlightenment that SAPP may have to offer.
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THe key problem I see is you are flying way too high in a 38. The best tactics are to fly low, 5K tops and wait for them to come down to you and play on your turf.
Seems like a complete waste of time to climb that high :)
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Okay, i got 1 for the SAPP gurus: I was climbing at about 500ft/min around 30k (28k-29k i think) with a 225mph IAS having chased a 4-hog for two sectors because he wanted to protect his perk ride. Suddenly I get compression syndrome going on my bird & go from a climb to a shallow dive, after turning off combat trim & fiddling with my trim tabs i get her under control but too late. So, WTF happened? I'd really appreciate any enlightenment that SAPP may have to offer.
i've never been that high in anything in ah......but it sounds to me like you hit the alt. ceiling.
terrible waste of time going all the way up there though............
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Did u guys read why he climbed that high or did your Pavlovian response mechanism kick in? :D
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Your window for controlled flight grows smaller and smaller as your altitude increases. The thinner atmosphere causes your stall speed to go up and your compression speed to go down.
Generally since his compression speed at sealevel is greater than yours, so is his compression speed at that alt. He may continue to pull away.
You more than likely encountered a stall shudder and the birds nose dropped. From there your speed can increase quickly and and enter into a compressed dive. At that point if you were able to keep your nose from dropping too much you should be ok. Come off throttle all the way and work your rudders to create some drag. When you drop into heavier atmosphere you will be able to attain control over your bird as the window of controlled flight increases.
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Did u guys read why he climbed that high or did your Pavlovian response mechanism kick in? :D
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he was chasing the corsair, that obviously didn't want to fight.
still a terrible waste of time.............like guppy said....let him come down low.........
but then...if he really wanted to go up there, it's ok too. :aok
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Your window for controlled flight grows smaller and smaller as your altitude increases. The thinner atmosphere causes your stall speed to go up and your compression speed to go down.
Generally since his compression speed at sealevel is greater than yours, so is his compression speed at that alt. He may continue to pull away.
You more than likely encountered a stall shudder and the birds nose dropped. From there your speed can increase quickly and and enter into a compressed dive. At that point if you were able to keep your nose from dropping too much you should be ok. Come off throttle all the way and work your rudders to create some drag. When you drop into heavier atmosphere you will be able to attain control over your bird as the window of controlled flight increases.
I had not thought of the respective compression speeds for our different a/c; in hindsight, this is completely intuitive. Also having escaped my notice at the time was the fact that as alt increases, so does TAS; thus as you said in your 1st sentence "Your window for controlled flight grows smaller and smaller as your altitude increases." Am I getting the concept correct?
As for chasing the unnamed foe, he (and a few buddies) had come into our V-base at ever increasing alt in several sorties and I was involved in laundry & cooking so could not devote my full attention to flying; backing up a sector & using a 7k base allowed me to do the home stuff and fly in a good mixture. I guess he was POed enough by my killing in various rides (both of us switched rides each sortie it seems) at last to grab a perk bird. No way was I gonna let him off the hook! In the end I got PWed & he was engineless and rudderless (he saw my d@mned compression issue & turned back on me) so I turned for home as he went into a steep dive that I was not going to follow....I got the last blackout about 500ft from the runway...he was still gliding home. All-in-all I had fun chasing that 4-Hog....pumped me up me go to that night's SnapShot were F4Fs slugged it out with Bostons and P40s!
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i've never been that high in anything in ah......but it sounds to me like you hit the alt. ceiling.
terrible waste of time going all the way up there though............
If he hit the operating ceiling, HTC has some splaining to do. The operating ceiling is generally defined as the altitude at which the aircraft is no longer capable of maintaining a 200ft/min ROC. It should be about 35-36K, give or take a little, if memory serves correct.
I doubt they missed it that bad though.
It may be difficult to maintain a 500ft/min ROC at that altitude. If that caused a stall, he should have noticed it if he was flying the plane and not on auto climb. The stall might result in a compression situation if it took very long to recover and you were at military power or WEP.
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If he hit the operating ceiling, HTC has some splaining to do. The operating ceiling is generally defined as the altitude at which the aircraft is no longer capable of maintaining a 200ft/min ROC. It should be about 35-36K, give or take a little, if memory serves correct.
That's the service ceiling and it's 100 FPM climb rate with all engines operating and producing maximum continuous power.
Absolute ceiling is the highest altitude a aircraft can sustain level flight with all engines operating and producing maximum continuous power.
Sounds like vonkrimm came too close to the "coffin corner"
The coffin corner or Q-Corner is the altitude at or near which an aircraft's stall speed is equal to the critical Mach number, at a given gross weight and G loading. At this altitude the aircraft becomes nearly impossible to keep in stable flight. Since the stall speed is the minimum speed required to maintain level flight, any reduction in speed will cause the airplane to stall and lose altitude. Since the critical Mach number is maximum speed at which air can travel over the wings without losing lift due to flow separation and shock waves, any increase in speed will cause the airplane to lose lift, or to pitch heavily nose-down, and lose altitude. The "corner" refers to the triangular shape at the top of a flight envelope chart where the stall speed and critical Mach number lines come together.
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I have been at 33k in a 38L and did not suffer what he explained
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I have been at 33k in a 38L and did not suffer what he explained
This must've been during AKAK's training clinic :D
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(http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/7506/yostrip.png)
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AhahahahaA
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Our numbers are irrelevent, all that you need to know is that SAPP is everywhere.
ack-ack
So is HPV, but thats not a good thing :P
AKAK!!!!!!!! :salute
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(http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/7506/yostrip.png)
ROFLMAO
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Mensa, that was great! :aok :rofl
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So I should be waiting for a public apology from Strip? And will Beyonce be nice to me too?
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(http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/7506/yostrip.png)
LOL
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(http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/7506/yostrip.png)
umm no idea who that is.
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umm no idea who that is.
Kanye West. During the VMA's Taylor Swift won something for like best female video of the year? (She was the ONLY country artist in the running). When she got on stage to accept her award, Kanye (the black guy) interrupted saying that Beyonce had the best video of all of them. Very rude to interrupt my future wife like that :furious
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hmm no idea who he is. How long was he in jail for that.
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hmm no idea who he is. How long was he in jail for that.
I don't think he was ever in jail; he has the cash to pay his way away from major clink time.
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I don't think he was ever in jail; he has the cash to pay his way away from major clink time.
Ahhh more bottom feeding scum.
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Yeah, that's basically right, Shuffler.
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To answer the original question at hand:
How many people members in SAPP?
The answer is 0. SAPP is non existent and therefore contains no members
:noid
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If we told you we'd have to kill you...to preserve the secret of course.
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I used to be in SAPP. I was forcibly removed when I joined the Luftwaffe. :(
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To answer the original question at hand:
How many people members in SAPP?
The answer is 0. SAPP is non existent and therefore contains no members
:noid
I thought it had no members because they're all female?!?!?!?! :aok
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i'm still trying to figure out what trees have to do with ah......'cept for them being overmodeled.
do they drip sapp on our tanks, and ruin the paint?
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I used to be in SAPP. I was forcibly removed when I joined the Luftwaffe. :(
You had so much potential padawan...
Just kidding...you were past the padawan stage. One heck of a 38 stick you were. Sorry to see you went to the dark side. :cry
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You had so much potential padawan...
Just kidding...you were past the padawan stage. One heck of a 38 stick you were. Sorry to see you went to the dark side. :cry
Blame the Muppets.
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Blame the Muppets.
stupid muppets.
:D