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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: BBGunn on May 21, 2001, 02:10:00 PM
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Just seems like if the C-hog is perked the La-7 should also be perked. It has a significant advantage over many of the other AC.
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Yep, all the 1944-45 stuff should be perked. Rolling Perk Set baby!
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Does the La-7 have 20% of the kills in the MA?
No?
Then don't perk it.
Funked, perking the A6M5b would just seem wrong.
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Bring the Mosquito FB.MkVI Series 2 to Aces High!!!
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-Karnak
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Perk anything faster than a P47 on the deck.
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Olivier "Frenchy" Raunier
(http://home.cfl.rr.com/rauns/sig-frenchy6.jpg) 63rd FS, 56th FG
"Zemke's Wolfpack"
You may want to fly above this red light, Olivier "Frenchy" Raunier while flight instructing on short final runway 04 KMLB.
[This message has been edited by SFRT - Frenchy (edited 05-21-2001).]
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Perking the LA7, a good joke.
I actually have never seen one LA7 jockey to rely on the misticaly 1-hit-kill-HOs like most of those Chogs do.
The very simply reason why they perked th CHog is cause of its laser like cannons. U can pretty often get away after a semi-succesful attack of most plane except for those CHogs, little Heat-seeking bullets with the hiting power of a 88mm flak shell are comin for u once ur a within 1k distance of em.
And the LA7 maybe a great bird in the fights down low, but @15K+ a P51/P47 is much more dangerous than the russian bird.
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Naudet,
The cannons on the F4U-1C are only indirectly responsible for it being perked.
The direct reason it was perked is because it had a hair under 20% of the total kills in the MA.
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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother
Bring the Mosquito FB.MkVI Series 2 to Aces High!!!
Sisu
-Karnak
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And why did it have all those kills Karnak?
Please check stats for F4U1D vs F4U1C before the Chog was perked. Basically people in AH pretty much wanna blow stuff up as easily as possible and Chog did this nicely at up to 1k disctances.
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I think the MA has improved with the reduction in f4c's.....anyone else agree?
i see more nikis maybe but they sure as hell dont survive the HO's like the f4cs used to.
I think ive seen more yaks,la7s,p47s,190s etc this tour and i really like it.
Im so glad it was perked and if ANY aircraft takes 20% of the MA kills(or its obviously a superior model [eg tempest]) it MUST be perked regardless of its performance.obviously when we get a new aircraft the numbers will be a bit unbalanced but if say the il2 or new jap plane starts to be all we see everywhere for tour after tour they should be perked so we dont get sick of fighting the same type of fights.
and NO i dont want em perked ,just an example (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
As it is now it may even be possible to reduce the perk cost until the f4c is about as common as some others but i would really ask that it is done carefully (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
dont want to see it take over again thats for sure but i can appreciate some really want it and maybe struggle to pay for it in perks.
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Hazed
9./JG54
[This message has been edited by hazed- (edited 05-21-2001).]
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Take it to 20 K and have a co-E fight in LA-7 vs. XXX (almost anything).... Then come back and say you want it perk (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Best regards
Dmitry aka vfGhosty
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Where do fights at 20k or any alt for that matter usually end up?
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Perk em all...God will know his own...
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Tronsky
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The LA-7 is good, but perk it?
Hell, instead of just the LA-7, let's perk everything except the 205. Now thats an idea!
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To really do well in the la-7 you have to know it and your foe. I don't mean this in the most common sense either, I mean really know. Any newbie pilot in an la-7 wont last very long before he's out of ammo. I'm not saying he would do better in an chog (never could get the hang of that plane myself) but in the la-7 you need to use ACM to the fullest to get a quality shot within d400, 'spray and pray' will run you outta ammo faster than a baby on exlax.
Truth be told, I am an LA-7 jockey, and by no means did I do instantly better when it came along but it does have some very huge advantages over every aircraft under 15k. When I learned to fly it I thought to myself "Well, here's the next perk 'x' thread." and low and behold. It honestly wouldnt bother me if it were perked, I'd still fly it every chance I had. Taking into consideration the loadout and restrictive FM over 15k I can't see justification for perkage. In the right hands however, it's a serious threat.
[This message has been edited by AcId (edited 05-22-2001).]
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I've flown the La-5 for a2a exclusively since about October, and then used the La-7 when it was released.
The only difference I really noticed was the increased speed - you still have to get very, very close to make a kill. Anything over d300 is a waste of ammo - I find it's best to wait until I'm d200 or less away before opening up. That way if I hit, there isn't anything left of the target afterwar. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Also, I fly with tracers off - it actually helped my gunnery. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I'll post some stats comparing the La-7 to the La-5FN from 'La-5/7 in Action', when I get home.
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I suggest no more perks. period
ATC
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I am still struggling with the La7 due to a poor ACM technique in certain areas. In terms of what other aircraft scare me most I am afraid other La 7's are not on the list.
The advantage of the La 7 is that if your not mission based you can choose your fight.
Having said that the only stuff I have not found any real answer for when in competant hands are higher 109's and Spits.
Historically there would be a case for perking the 3 cannon La7 (they were not that common at the front)but it does not seem to be set up that way the same as the Chog/hog is.
Tilt
Are the La5FN/La7 leading edge slats modelled here? (should open about 200-220km/hour IAS) and how can I stop the flaps from "auto resetting"?
Some figures http://www.btinternet.com/~fulltilt/Perform.html (http://www.btinternet.com/~fulltilt/Perform.html)
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Me-thinks that the people saying to perk the La7 are the ones that see the La7's running away out of gun range at low alt same way the Runstangs and Typhoons do.
The La7 has some serious deficiences that make it less than a super-plane:
- above 12K, or thereabouts, it becomes less than average, by 18K it becomes easy food for anyone else.
- the guns have a max range of about D400. I consider anything over D300 a long shot. For hispanos that would only be medium range.
- it doesn't turn that well, better than most BnZ'r, but not in the calibre of a real TnB'r. Since it can't really afford to hang out too high, it gets caught at mid alt a lot and has to look for low cons (mostly).
- the views from the cockpit are terrible. Even customizing them they are still terrible. Lots of frames holding the windows together to the sides and back.
- it seems to have weak wings and tail to damage. A couple of fair pings and you've lost one, or the other.
- has a snapshot capability that isn't as good as a 2 hispano Spit, though appears more effective than some of the LW birds (just my person opinion on that). 4 hispano Typhoons will eat you up.
The La7 is a good plane, and a handful to an opponent down low, especially for N1K's and Spit's which it can easily out-run whenever it wants to. I don't think it needs to be perked, at least not yet. Let it try and earn a reputation and some kill numbers to back it up before claiming it should be perked.
-Soda
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tell me getlemans , WHAt a hell you gona doing with the milions of perk points ??? perk planes are rare to see in MA so perk them all and give some early planes for free
lets lose of the bilions of unused perk points (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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I'm simply waiting for a plane which will IMO worth spending my perks on. Tempest, while a cool plane, simply does not attract me.
mx22
Originally posted by minus:
tell me getlemans , WHAt a hell you gona doing with the milions of perk points ??? perk planes are rare to see in MA so perk them all and give some early planes for free
lets lose of the bilions of unused perk points (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Minus, that's exactly what I want to see!
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Funked and Minus, I think you'll get more support for that in 3 or 4 versions with a wider selection on both perked and non-perked sides.
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I'd give up all my perkpoints if they did put in an early planeset and perk all above say 1942.if everytour it was reset i dont think it would bother me that much.Obviously the perk cost would have to be low all round if we only get a month to collect the points.
But then again this wouldnt stop too many top players from collecting 1000s of points again, as i would imagine they like to fly rarer mounts for the challenge anyhow.
its a tricky thing to guess at this perk thing isnt it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Hazed
9./JG54
[This message has been edited by hazed- (edited 05-22-2001).]
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I think (and its only my opinion) that perking the F4 was a good move. Before that there were those monsters everywhere! In the last unperked tour I was killed mostly by this type of airplane and this infestation of F4s I think that spoiled the fun of the play. As I say its my opinion and if you disagree then do so at your discretion... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
And about the La7: Well we can see a lot of those also these days and their drivers rely on HOs a much (acording to my personal experience) but at the other hand I dont really think that its necessary to perk them. Because If you do so then you will have to perk another plane and then another (cycle repeats itself)...
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MBirdCZ
[This message has been edited by MadBirdCZ (edited 05-23-2001).]
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If someone tries to HO you in La-7 - it is likely to be someone who isn't very experienced with it.
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Hmm... But then there is a lot of those guys because the HOs with La7s are happening quite too often... I don't like HO encounters and I try to avoid them as much as possible but with La7 drivers you avoid one HO hoping for some "real" dogfight only to realize that the other guy extends beyond my reach and then he turns back for another HO... Well its kinda boring for me...
(http://home.worldonline.cz/~cz088436/mbirdcz.jpg)
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MBirdCZ
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I agree it does happen MadBirdCZ.
But catch me online in my La-7, and I'll give you a fight without a single HO involved. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Hmmm... as a fairly dedicated La7 driver using it for HOs seems rather silly IMHO. Guns only work at close range, and with this planes climb, low level speed and good intial turn rate anyone should be able to use it to much better effect...
BTW - I have tried the occasional "desperation HO" but it always seems to result in mutually assured destruction.
Ely
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Perk this!
Create plane factories so we can blow the crapola out of em and no one can fly those perkie planes.
Nexus
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Unleash the C-Hog!
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Still think there is a descrepancy between tempest 70pts; F4u-1c 8pts and the La-7 with no points. Is the tempest really 8 times better than the C-hog; don't think so. Is the La-7 really significantly worse than the C-hog or tempest in performance? Some adjustment is necessary.
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Tempest is a real killer, way more potent then the C-Hog.
mx22
Originally posted by BBGunn:
Still think there is a descrepancy between tempest 70pts; F4u-1c 8pts and the La-7 with no points. Is the tempest really 8 times better than the C-hog; don't think so. Is the La-7 really significantly worse than the C-hog or tempest in performance? Some adjustment is necessary.
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Me'thinks a lot of N1K and Spit drivers are getting wacked by La7's and thus the cries to perk it. It's a good plane to kill low Spits and N1K's, and can run away (which it spends a lot of time doing), but it has some serious issues also, including:
-lack of any range.
-very poor views to sides and back
-poor performance above 14K or so
-poor guns (hopeless outside D300)
-somewhat weak tail assembly (tends to come off a lot).
It's a good plane for kill'n N1K's though, cuz if you don't get the shot you want, you just level out and dash away...
-Soda
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Agreed Soda.
Quit yer whining ya bunch of puffers. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Seriously though, the LA-7 is a sweet right, yet i've shot more LA-7's down than I have the NIK. And I've flown the LA-7 quite a bit too myself. Great ride but it has limited visibility and very short legs.
Personally, I'd perk the Yak-9 cause they can shoot down my runstang. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
V
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i think the reasons for perks is purely for numbers seen.If it floods the arena to over 20% it will get perked.
Put 4xhispanos on an la7 and then it will be flown by everyone (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) hehe
as it is its not that easy to fly well so you wont see the numbers that few the f4c.
it was ease of shooting and great performance that made the f4c so popular amongst the throng.LA7 has good performance but its not easy to get kills with its guns.
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Hazed
9./JG54
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Hazed,
I'd have to agree that the main reason for perking something appears to be popularity. Then again, superior performance tends to attract people so in a way performance is part of the equation that leads to something being perked. Without perking you'd see all C-Hogs and Tempests... I think the perk system has worked... how many C-Hogs are just thrown away in the MA these days? Not many. You know just about C-Hog you meet will not just try to HO you.
A 4 hispano La7! That'd give a lot of La7 pilots wet dreams.
-Soda