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Title: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: BaldEagl on September 20, 2009, 09:41:26 AM
It's time to sign up for BaldEagl's SECOND TRI-ANNUAL ACES HIGH II ONE-ON-ONE BRACKET CHAMPIONSHIP TOURNAMENT.

If you're in state so clearly and list your in-game handle even if it's the same as your BBs name.

If you don't know what it's about (I'm not sure how you could have missed it) the inagural tournament thread is here:  http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,269285.0.html.  BTW, I posted the final bracket for posterity.  Congrats to moot on winning the inaugural tournament and to batfinkV as runner-up.

Signup will run for two weeks.  You have until midnight central time Sunday, October 4 to get involved.  This should allow us to conclude the tournament before the holiday season arrives (sorry international guys... I have to consider Thanksgiving here in the U.S. as the official start to the holiday season).

Once again I encourage players of all skill levels to get involved.  Since initial match-ups are by random draw you never know who or what you're going to get.  Plus... "on any given Sunday..."  If you do match up against someone better than you you might even get a chance to have them teach you a few tricks after the official duels.  Well anyway, the best way to get better is to try so don't let skill level keep you from meeting new friends and having some fun at the same time.

The rules remain the same (posted below) with one exception.  I have included a requirement that the winner of the duel series post films for the communities enjoyment from the quarter-final round forward.  Of course posting films during earlier rounds is encouraged as long as both participants agree.

One last bit of business.  I will give the inaugural tournament review committee the first option of remaining on the committee for this tournament. If I haven't heard from them in a week I will seek substitute volunteers (it's an easy gig  ;)).

So, here's the rules:

- Brackets will be determined by random draw of names out of a hat (or other convenient container  ).
- If there are odd numbers of players I will work them into the brackets although they may have to fly more or less rounds than other players.  They will be those chosen randomly.
- Duels must be arranged between the players by PM, IM, e-mail or other means to take place by midnight CDT Sunday following each bracket update (6 days).
- Duels will be best of three.
- First duel plane selection will be assigned using a random number generator to select from all availble fighter and fighter/attack aircraft (except the Me163 and Me262).  This will be done individually for each set of duelers.
- The loser of each duel selects the aircraft for the next duel.  This allows the loser to pick his/her best aircraft to get back into contention and if it goes three rounds each player will have had one plane selection.
- All duels will take place in the DA canyon area.
- All duels will be 25% fuel loadout with players choice of gun package and convergence.
- All merges will be guns cold (no firing until you have passed your opponent's 3/9 line).
- All merges will be co-alt at 10K until within icon range at which point a merge break can begin.  In addition all players shall observe a 10K cieling at all times prior to the merge.
- Anything goes after the initial merge.
- In the case of a draw (both run out of fuel for instance) that duel will be re-fought using the same aircraft.
- In the case of a collision:
   * If only one player collides (only one gets the collision message) the duel continues.
   * If both players collide (both get the collision message) the duel immediately ends and will be re-started in the same planes.
- Intentionally ditching or bailing constitutes forfieture of the duel.
- The intent is for players to remain in close proximity to one another (2-3K max).  That said if at any time the players lose icon range on one another the duel ends immediately and will be re-started using the same planes.  This should allow a dueler to simply turn away from a runner to nullify the duel.
- If an uninvited third party interrupts the duel the duel is immediately ended and will be re-started using the same plane.  The dueling participants may move to another mutually agreed upon set of fields in the DA in this instance.
- Once one player has been shot down and the other recieves a kill message the duel ends.  There is no need to land.
- If a player disco's the duel will be re-fought in the same planes as soon as the discoing player re-logs.  If he does not or is unable to re-log within 15 minutes he will lose the duel series by default.  A second and any subsequent discos by the same player in a duel series will result in a loss of the duel in which the player disco'd.
- Both players will film all duels in case of a dispute.
- Films must be posted by the winning player for all duels from the quarter final round forward for the viewing pleasure of the community.  Films may be posted during earlier rounds if both participants agree.
- The losing player will post in this thread after the duel series in the following format:
   
   Plane - Winner
   Plane - Winner
   Plane - Winner (if needed)

The loser posting is a means to verify that the results are uncontested.  If the loser hasn't posted by the deadline then the winner may post the results but they will be deemed contested.
- This information must be posted by no later than 12:00 midnight Central Daylight Time Sunday following the posting of the updated bracket so that I can get the brackets updated and re-posted on Monday.
- If a player does not show within 15 minutes of the arranged time they forfiet the series.  In that case the winner by default must post a screenshot of the DA roster showing that the opponent is a no show no later than 12:00 midnight CDT Sunday following posting of the updated bracket.
- If a duel cannot be arranged between two players each player will have a chance to post the circumstances in this thread prior to the posting deadline.  If only one player posts and it is clear that they are making an attempt to arrange their duel then that player will advance. If both players post and it is clear that the issue lies with only one player then the player not at fault will advance.  If it is unclear which player is at fault, or if neither player posts, then a random draw will determine which player advances. 
- In the case of contested results both players films will be reviewed by the review committee and a determination will be posted no later than 48 hours after the initial posting deadline.  The review committee may overturn posted results.  If a clean determination of a winner cannot be made a winner will be selected by random draw.  The review committee's determination will be final.  Because this will delay both the winner's and his/her next opponent's ability to arrange their next duel it is in the best interest of everyone that the players reach an agreeable conclusion to their duels on their own.  In any case, then next duels deadlines WILL NOT be delayed.
- The initial bracket will be posted on Monday, October 5 and each Monday thereafter until a winner has been determined.

And here's what the open bracket looked like last time:

(http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/ww72/imbe/Bracket.jpg)

Sign up now.  How far will you go?
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: RufusLeaking on September 20, 2009, 09:50:05 AM
I am clearly in.

Online: RufLeak

 :salute BaldEagl - good to see you back.
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: mechanic on September 20, 2009, 09:50:59 AM
In

gameid: batfinkv
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: flatiron1 on September 20, 2009, 09:52:43 AM
in


forum flatiron1

game flatiron
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: mensa180 on September 20, 2009, 09:56:36 AM
Mensa
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: mjsmoke on September 20, 2009, 10:03:46 AM
I'm in  :salute

BB SN: Mjsmoke
Game ID: Mjsmoke
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: ACE on September 20, 2009, 10:15:42 AM
Im in Game id: Viper10
BBS id: ACE
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: Speed55 on September 20, 2009, 10:15:49 AM
In:

Speed55
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: StokesAk on September 20, 2009, 10:23:37 AM
StokesAk

ingame: Nex
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: --)SF---- on September 20, 2009, 10:25:47 AM


   SF
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: horble on September 20, 2009, 10:37:09 AM
In.

horble
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: dkff49 on September 20, 2009, 10:38:59 AM
I'm in

ingame: ace pilot
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: Strip on September 20, 2009, 10:48:07 AM
In

GameId: Strip
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: Raptor on September 20, 2009, 11:19:51 AM
What the heck, in:

in game ID: Juvat
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: Flifast on September 20, 2009, 11:32:48 AM
Sign me up!

Flifast
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: infowars on September 20, 2009, 11:38:33 AM
IN

ingame: SWneo

BBS: infowars
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: texastc316 on September 20, 2009, 11:41:37 AM
IN
ingame texstc

BBS texastc316
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: Boozeman on September 20, 2009, 11:53:08 AM
In !

In the game: Boozeman
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: B4Buster on September 20, 2009, 11:54:31 AM
B4Buster is in
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: RedTeck on September 20, 2009, 12:14:02 PM
In
In-game: RedTeck

p.s. Can I not get TonyJoey in the first round this time? :)
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: sunfan1121 on September 20, 2009, 12:28:43 PM
in SunsFan
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: dev1ant on September 20, 2009, 01:07:04 PM
I'm in.

Deviant
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: SPKmes on September 20, 2009, 01:14:57 PM
Tongs
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: cactuskooler on September 20, 2009, 01:17:20 PM
<----cactus
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: caldera on September 20, 2009, 01:18:17 PM
You guys need some first round fodder.  :D

caldera is in.
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: ink on September 20, 2009, 01:20:11 PM
in------INK
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: Qrsu on September 20, 2009, 01:34:41 PM
BBS&In-game: Qrsu
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: Sol75 on September 20, 2009, 01:52:19 PM
In

Game ID WMSol
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: Cobra516 on September 20, 2009, 01:54:03 PM
In!  Gamename and BBS name - Cobra516
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: Steve on September 20, 2009, 03:20:04 PM
in
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: jolly22 on September 20, 2009, 04:01:31 PM
Game ID-JRjolly
bbs login- jolly22
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: Fox on September 20, 2009, 04:33:02 PM
Please sign me up

In game: 4Fox
BBS: Fox
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: shiv on September 20, 2009, 05:11:14 PM
ingame: shiv
forumid: shiv
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: ink on September 20, 2009, 05:21:20 PM
in


steve's not in he didnt write steve after in :P
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: kilo2 on September 20, 2009, 05:22:02 PM
In

Kilo2
Kil02-in game name :salute
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: angels10 on September 20, 2009, 05:24:40 PM
Angels10                    IN :aok
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: Bosco123 on September 20, 2009, 05:39:23 PM
In!
Bosco In game
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: SunBat on September 20, 2009, 05:41:25 PM
Sunbatt in game.
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: Ruler2 on September 20, 2009, 05:53:00 PM
I'll give it a shot!

In-game ID: Ruler2
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: TequilaChaser on September 20, 2009, 06:14:33 PM
Will try and give it another try..........provided I heal up from my current situation......
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: boomerlu on September 20, 2009, 06:24:03 PM
Put me down  :salute

In game name: boomerlu
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: DrBone1 on September 20, 2009, 09:01:17 PM
Sign Me Up :P

  In Game ID :  DrBone   :aok
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: JB11 on September 20, 2009, 10:19:34 PM
IN - JB11

 :salute 11
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: manurin on September 21, 2009, 08:50:42 AM
In!

gameid: Manurin

 :salute

Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: Kristov on September 21, 2009, 09:02:09 AM
in
Game ID: Kristov
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: uptown on September 21, 2009, 12:13:19 PM
what the heck. count me in too.
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: DMBEAR on September 21, 2009, 03:23:01 PM
In

In game - Assi

 :rock

 :x
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: jdbecks on September 21, 2009, 06:00:04 PM
Im in  :cool: :salute

In game Name : Jbecks
Time Zone:       GMT
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: StokesAk on September 21, 2009, 06:04:00 PM
This will be a good one, hopefully i wont loose my 2nd fight.
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: jododger on September 21, 2009, 06:06:40 PM
im in
Dodger
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: mechanic on September 21, 2009, 06:22:52 PM
Oh i forgot i need to sign up for a friend who is not on the boards.

ingame ID: Rud3boi

I promised him i would sign him up so if space is a problem he takes a spot before me.
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: Scotch on September 21, 2009, 06:26:57 PM
Great response to this ladder. Hopefully BE will run quite a few more of these!
Will try to fly the third one for sure.
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: RTGorkle on September 21, 2009, 08:04:43 PM
In

Game ID - Gorkle
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: SkyRock on September 21, 2009, 10:11:01 PM
in
SkyRock
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: Agent360 on September 21, 2009, 10:26:33 PM
In

Forum - Agent360

game - Agent360
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: BaldEagl on September 21, 2009, 10:38:07 PM
Oh i forgot i need to sign up for a friend who is not on the boards.

ingame ID: Rud3boi

I promised him i would sign him up so if space is a problem he takes a spot before me.

Just one question; If he's not on the BBs how will people reach him to arrange their duels?


BTW, if anyone was, don't worry about numbers.  Expanding thte bracket from 64 to 128 players only adds one week to the proceedings and an additional week each time the numbers double thereafter.  Judging by the first two days response it's looking like we could get to 128 participants.

Thanks to eveyone who's signed up so far.  I'm glad to see the positive response to this event.
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: mechanic on September 22, 2009, 01:10:38 AM
He has access but he never reads them so he could check in, he is just unlikely to find out about the sign up in time so i said i would add him if I signed up. I'll try and get him to check in.
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: grizz441 on September 22, 2009, 04:26:37 AM
Grizz.............In.
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: mensa180 on September 22, 2009, 11:53:25 AM
Maybe this time I won't get Bat as my first duel :D
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: mechanic on September 22, 2009, 11:57:00 AM
Dude, you were one more ping away from beating me in that spitV fight. You and Jerkins were by far the hardest fights of the whole thing, for me.  Maybe this time you will knock me out in the first round, should we meet.  :rock
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: v1st on September 22, 2009, 12:08:58 PM
I'll try it out ingame v1st
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: Lazerr on September 22, 2009, 12:25:01 PM
dang.. cant make this one. ;)
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: sandwich on September 22, 2009, 01:48:47 PM
count me in

Game ID = Sandwich
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: slimmer on September 22, 2009, 02:02:36 PM
in slimmer
 :salute
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: mike254 on September 22, 2009, 03:30:46 PM
In

Mike254  :salute
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: Tec on September 22, 2009, 06:33:37 PM
In


Tec
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: SPKmes on September 22, 2009, 06:40:47 PM
 This is going to be a tough one
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: uptown on September 22, 2009, 06:49:13 PM
Is that a yes Tongs?  :pray
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: lambo31 on September 22, 2009, 07:00:30 PM
In---Lambo
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: L0nGb0w on September 22, 2009, 08:03:59 PM
In

--L0nGb0w

^^^^ zeroes, not oh's
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: Grape on September 23, 2009, 12:36:07 AM
In  :aok

Ingame name: ForkTail
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: SPKmes on September 23, 2009, 12:46:52 AM
Is that a yes Tongs?  :pray


Aye it is...I was in at page 2.
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: Yarbles on September 23, 2009, 01:35:11 AM
In

in game name Yarbles :D
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: Saurdaukar on September 23, 2009, 09:15:52 AM
In.

Mazz.
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: Kazan_HB on September 23, 2009, 05:09:56 PM
in
Kazan
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: TonyJoey on September 23, 2009, 06:18:03 PM
In, TonyJoey
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: JunkyII on September 23, 2009, 06:26:07 PM
IN for the win :D

bbs and ingame : JunkyII (those are i's not L's  :lol )
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: SPKmes on September 24, 2009, 09:25:28 PM
Baldeagl, I take it the rules are the same as last comp.





oh looky at the opening post...silly me :D





Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: JunkyII on September 24, 2009, 09:30:28 PM
Baldeagl, I take it the rules are the same as last comp.






bump it some more, we need more rounds
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: DOUG on September 25, 2009, 03:54:29 PM
yo=)   BBS=DOUG=akELFY
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: BaldEagl on September 26, 2009, 12:10:44 PM
I'm very encouraged by the (almost) first week sign-ups.  We currently have 67 competitors signed up with one maybe (jerkins) and just over a week to go.  

If the tourney started tomorrow there would only be 3-4 duel series in the first week of a four elimination round 128 man bracket with 60-61 players taking a first week bye.  That's ok but I'm sure we'll see more sign-ups over the next week.  There's plenty of room for more.  Join the fun.  The sign-up period ends at midnight central Sunday, October 4.

Three of the four review committee members have agreed to stay on for this tournament.  I haven't heard from Vudak.  If I don't hear from him by tomorrow I will be seeking a review committee alternate in case one of the regular members is not available for some reason.

I wasn't sure if I'd sign up myself as I've barely played in the past month and have been awful when I have.  I decided to give it a go anyway so someone will have an easy first round.   ;)

Here's the roster so far (sorted by in-game name).  Please make sure I got your BBs and in-game names right and that I didn't miss anyone.  (BTW, bat... I need your friends BBs name).

In-Game   -   BBs      
Competitors            
4Fox   -   Fox      
Agent360   -   Agent360      
akELFY   -   DOUG       
Angels10   -   angels10      
Assi   -   DMBEAR      
B4Buster    -   B4Buster       
BaldEagl   -   BaldEagl   -   Administrator
batfinkv   -   mechanic       
boomerlu   -   boomerlu      
Boozeman-   Boozeman      
Bosco   -   Bosco123      
cactus   -   cactuskooler      
caldera   -   caldera      
Cobra516   -   Cobra516      
Deviant   -   dev1ant
Dodger   -   jododger
DrBone   -   DrBone1
flatiron   -   flatiron1
Flifast   -   Flifast
ForkTail   -   Grape
Gorkle   -   RTGorkle
Grizz   -   grizz441
horble   -   horble
INK   -   ink
JB11   -   JB11
Jbecks   -   jdbecks
JRjolly   -   jolly22
JunkyII   -   JunkyII
Juvat   -   Raptor
Kazan   -   Kazan_HB
Kil02   -   Kilo2      
Kristov   -   Kristov      
L0nGb0w   -   L0nGb0w       
Lambo   -   lambo31       
Manurin   -   manurin      
Mazz   -   Saurdaukar      
Mensa   -   mensa180      
Mike254   -   mike254      
Mjsmoke   -   mjsmoke       
Nex   -   StokesAk      
Qrsu   -   Qrsu      
ace pilot   -   dkff49       
RedTeck   -   RedTeck      
Rud3boi   -         
RufLeak   -   RufusLeaking       
Ruler2   -   Ruler2      
Sandwich   -   sandwich      
SF   -   --)SF----      
shiv   -   shiv      
SkyRock   -   SkyRock      
slimmer   -   slimmer      
Speed55   -   Speed55      
Steve   -   Steve      
Strip   -   Strip      
Sunbatt   -   SunBat      
SunsFan   -   sunfan1121      
SWneo   -   infowars      
TC   -   TequilaChaser   -   Review Committee
Tec   -   Tec      
texstc   -   texastc316      
Tongs   -   SPKmes      
TonyJoey   -   TonyJoey      
uptown   -   uptown      
v1st   -   v1st      
Viper10   -   ACE      
WMSol   -   Sol75      
Yarbles   -   Yarbles      

Non-Competitors            
jerkins    -   jerkins    -   Review Committee
Nisky    -   Nisky    -   Review Committee


Oh... In case you were interested here's a look at the (expanded) open bracket (guess I'll have to make it a little bigger once the tourney starts):

(http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/ww72/imbe/Bracket-9.jpg)
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: B4Buster on September 26, 2009, 12:28:40 PM
 :x

What a hit this has been, wtg BE
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: Bosco123 on September 26, 2009, 12:29:41 PM
Look at that large braket!!
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: B4Buster on September 26, 2009, 12:30:49 PM
Look at that large braket!!

bracket*
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: Kazaa on September 26, 2009, 12:47:32 PM
Holy cow, I'll have to sign up for the next one when I build my new PC!
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: B4Buster on September 26, 2009, 12:50:30 PM
Holy cow, I'll have to sign up for the next one when I build my new PC!

You're not in this one either? Just admit it...you're afraid of me  :devil
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: Kazaa on September 26, 2009, 12:52:01 PM
You're not in this one either? Just admit it...you're afraid of me  :devil

Just a little.
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: BaldEagl on September 26, 2009, 02:19:35 PM
I don't think 128 players is going to be realistic but it would be nice to hit 96 conestants.  That way half the first round brackets would be filled giving 2/3 of the participants a first round duel and 1/3 a first round bye.  85-86 players would give 1/2 a duel and 1/2 a bye with 1/3 of the first round brackets filled.  I'd hope we could at least get there in the next week.  That's only another 18-19 players or 2-3 per day until sign-ups end.
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: Strip on September 26, 2009, 02:48:22 PM
If you had 96 players 32 would be given a first round bye if you fill the bracket in the standard fashion.

Another option would be to pair everyone until you reached a predetermined level or have a lone bye.

Ie.....

98.....49...25....13....7....

96....48....24....12....6.... .

Yet another option would be to take the first round losers and have them fill the open spots. This would help two great pilots flying against each other in the first round. So if you have 96 it would go something like this....

96 competitors....

Round 1 Part A      32 winners 32 losers 32 idle

Round 1 Part B      32 idle winners, 32 first round losers fight remaining idle players

It would be first come first serve for anything amount of players over 96. More work but would be fairer to the people who have to fight there way past each round verses giving someone a freebie.

Strip
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: ink on September 26, 2009, 03:54:15 PM
there should be no "bye's"    IMO

Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: BaldEagl on September 26, 2009, 04:13:55 PM
there should be no "bye's"    IMO



The only way to make sure of that is to limit the tourney to 8, 16, 32 or 64 players depending on interest level.

I like Strips second idea but think we'll leave it as is for now.  Because everything is by random selection it's still as fair as it can be.  The guys who have to duel in the first round will have to be on their game and it will be even more of an accomplishment if they go all the way.

I don't really want to introduce double eliminations or best of five as it reduces the "any given Sunday" phenomenon.  The way it is, even if you lose it could simply be you had an off day and I think the importance of each duel in the current format will keep people coming back even if they don't get past the first round (I know I could have won that one but...).  Furthermore, if two great pilots get matched in the first round and one is eliminated it leaves room for a lesser pilot to advance.  I think this also helps keep the tourney interesting for all skill levels.  Just my thoughts.
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: DadRabit on September 26, 2009, 04:15:33 PM
S!

In.  DadRabit.

S!
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: dkff49 on September 26, 2009, 04:45:06 PM
I would say that since the match up selection is done at random, having a "bye" is as fair as a month long player drawing a veteran in the first round.

Just trying to say that the "byes" will be drawn from a hat so everyone has a chance to get one so I think the way BE has it now is best way.
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: DMBEAR on September 26, 2009, 05:03:27 PM
I'll fly the 1st week.  I don't need no stinking bye. 

Quit yer cryin childrens.  :aok
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: mechanic on September 27, 2009, 04:05:30 AM

Three of the four review committee members have agreed to stay on for this tournament.  I haven't heard from Vudak.  If I don't hear from him by tomorrow I will be seeking a review committee alternate in case one of the regular members is not available for some reason.



Vudak posted last month to say he was looking for a house, getting some more qualifications and trying to launch his freelance history teaching skills as a sustainable business! He probably wont be around much till christmas so if he doesnt contact you I would say he is probably going to be semi-AWOL for this tourney.
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: Tordon22 on September 28, 2009, 11:35:03 AM
I have some time, I would be willing to be on the committee if you need another.
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: BaldEagl on September 30, 2009, 09:38:24 AM
I have some time, I would be willing to be on the committee if you need another.

Sure Tordon.  I'll take you up on that offer.

4 1/2 days to go until sign-ups end and the tourney begins.  Anyone else?  You don't really want all those guys to get first round byes do you?
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: AAJagerX on September 30, 2009, 12:38:09 PM
I'm in.

Game- AAJagerX

BBS- AAJagerX
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: Changeup on September 30, 2009, 05:00:00 PM
Im in

In Game - Changeup
Forums - Changeup
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: jimbo71 on September 30, 2009, 05:26:39 PM

Forum Jimbo71

Callsign - xxxJCxxx

I'm in
   :cool:
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: TonyJoey on September 30, 2009, 07:28:50 PM
Count me out on this one. Having a bit of trouble with Aces High on my new computer.  :salute
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: caldera on September 30, 2009, 07:38:40 PM
Sure Tordon.  I'll take you up on that offer.

You don't really want all those guys to get first round byes do you?


Can i trade my first round bye for some deflector shields?
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: BaldEagl on October 01, 2009, 12:41:57 AM

Can i trade my first round bye for some deflector shields?

Who says you're getting a first round bye?  Even though the odds are with you only the random draw knows for sure.
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: ink on October 01, 2009, 01:49:11 PM
I still don't understand why there has to be any bye's?(sorry I'm difficult)  one at the most,

why don't you take the number of players and divide in half and random pick which one's duel each other, and so forth till there is only one,



"There can be only one..."  :D
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: Strip on October 01, 2009, 02:57:04 PM
Another option would be to pair everyone until you reached a predetermined level or have a lone bye.

Ie.....

98.....49...25....13....7....

96....48....24....12....6.... .

Strip
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: BaldEagl on October 01, 2009, 05:46:18 PM
I still don't understand why there has to be any bye's?(sorry I'm difficult)  one at the most,

why don't you take the number of players and divide in half and random pick which one's duel each other, and so forth till there is only one,



"There can be only one..."  :D

Because 2 players play for the championship.  To determin those 2 players 4 have to fight, 2 are eliminated and 2 advance.  To get to those four 8 have to fight (4 eliminated, 4 advance).  To get to those 8 players 16 have to fight.  To get to those 16 32 have to fight.  To get there 64 have to fight.  Each round half the players advance and half are eliminated.  As soon as you add 1, 2 or more people to any of those rounds it forces a bye for someone (or multiple someones) somewhere in the tournament.

I could match everyone up in the first round assuming an even number of players but if the total number of players isn't the right multiple (2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128...) then the bye just gets moved later into the tourney.  You eventually need to arrive at one of those multiples.



I'll ask everyone this question... please post your response:

A.  I would rather see you limit the tourney to the first 64 players that sign up.  Advantages:  No or very limited byes, most everyone gets to duel the first week, you know exactly how long the tourney will last before you sign up.

or:

B.  Don't limit how many can sign-up.  Advantages:  Everyone who wants to play gets a chance to do so, less likely miss the sign-up period if you don't frequent the BBs, does not artificially limit potential growth of the event.
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: Steve on October 01, 2009, 05:51:41 PM
Because 2 players play for the championship.  To determin those 2 players 4 have to fight, 2 are eliminated and 2 advance.  To get to those four 8 have to fight (4 eliminated, 4 advance).  To get to those 8 players 16 have to fight.  To get to those 16 32 have to fight.  To get there 64 have to fight.  Each round half the players advance and half are eliminated.  As soon as you add 1, 2 or more people to any of those rounds it forces a bye for someone (or multiple someones) somewhere in the tournament.

I could match everyone up in the first round assuming an even number of players but if the total number of players isn't the right multiple (2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128...) then the bye just gets moved later into the tourney.  You eventually need to arrive at one of those multiples.



I'll ask everyone this question... please post your response:

A.  I would rather see you limit the tourney to the first 64 players that sign up.  Advantages:  No or very limited byes, most everyone gets to duel the first week, you know exactly how long the tourney will last before you sign up.

or:

B.  Don't limit how many can sign-up.  Advantages:  Everyone who wants to play gets a chance to do so, less likely miss the sign-up period if you don't frequent the BBs, does not artificially limit potential growth of the event.

The people crying about byes are just silly. There's no points for advancing to the second round.  I vote give a bye to ink in the first round. Then I'm gauranteed not to fight him in rnd 1.   :D
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: saantana on October 01, 2009, 05:53:46 PM
Choice B will reduce tourney attractiveness.

Just my 0.02.
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: dkff49 on October 01, 2009, 06:34:05 PM
I say no limit to number of players. I think it a little silly to have such a concern over some people getting byes.

I think giving the maximum number of players the chance to participate is the best method of getting such an event to grow.

In short, I will have to say my vote is for choice B.
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: ink on October 01, 2009, 08:26:12 PM






The people crying about byes are just silly. There's no points for advancing to the second round.  I vote give a bye to ink in the first round. Then I'm gauranteed not to fight him in rnd 1.   :D





lol  I would just keep missing, and the first shot I gave you I would be in tower. :rofl

and no I would not want a bye :furious :furious





i definitely don't think we should limit players, so option B
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: mensa180 on October 01, 2009, 09:19:38 PM
Can we declare ourselves to have bye immunity? ie: I want to fight in the first round.
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: dkff49 on October 01, 2009, 10:49:43 PM
Can we declare ourselves to have bye immunity? ie: I want to fight in the first round.

this we could work with, if there are too many that wish to fight in first round we could have a drawing for that as well.

i too would like fight in first round. no sense in delaying my death a week. :D
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: Grape on October 02, 2009, 01:22:58 AM
B, the fact that I might get a bye in the first round is not a problem me since it is hard for me to find time to fly lately. At least this way I will still be able participate (not sure if I make the cut 64 player cutoff for choice A).
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: Boozeman on October 02, 2009, 10:16:05 AM

I'll ask everyone this question... please post your response:

A.  I would rather see you limit the tourney to the first 64 players that sign up.  Advantages:  No or very limited byes, most everyone gets to duel the first week, you know exactly how long the tourney will last before you sign up.

or:

B.  Don't limit how many can sign-up.  Advantages:  Everyone who wants to play gets a chance to do so, less likely miss the sign-up period if you don't frequent the BBs, does not artificially limit potential growth of the event.

Let's stick to plan B.
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: JunkyII on October 02, 2009, 11:03:41 AM
Can we start this crap already, Im telling you the win is mine :rock :devil
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: DrBone1 on October 02, 2009, 12:12:14 PM
I Would Just Like To Say  :salute To Those Flying In This Duel And GL To All :aok
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: Mighty01 on October 02, 2009, 03:10:00 PM
I can see how some think if you go with plan B, you'd be degrading the  "tourney attractiveness" and I agree, even though it is a sign of the times in todays world where in most sports "everyone gets a chance" on lower levels. These days the words "did not make the cut" do not come up for most sports, unless it is professional sports.

I think to keep the event going that you should make a limit somewhere, to give this event more meaning then being opened for everyone. Pick a limited number of spots and keep it that way. If more people become interested after 2 or more of these then think about expanding it. or have some short "wild card matchups" to fill the last 1/3rd or 1/4 of the slots for the official event if more than say 64 sign up for it?

just a thought  :cool:    Good Luck to everyone

Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: ACE on October 02, 2009, 10:21:32 PM
Crap bones in it im gonna lose...
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: BaldEagl on October 03, 2009, 01:46:34 AM
Crap bones in it im gonna lose...

So are about 60-70 others.


Under 48 hours left.  Nearing the last chance to sign up.
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: Strip on October 03, 2009, 07:41:04 AM
We use option B in drag racing at the local level.......been that way for 20 years.

Has not failed yet, lets give it a try.
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: Badboy on October 03, 2009, 08:48:25 AM
Who says you're getting a first round bye?  Even though the odds are with you only the random draw knows for sure.

Awarding byes in tournaments is often done in accordance with seeding. Seeding prevents the best players from meeting in the early rounds of a tournament and reduces the risk of spoiling the event if top players should meet and eliminate each other early. Byes are therefore normally given to highest seeds first, or to the best players, for three reasons. Firstly they are most likely to progress anyway and will probably get to play several matches before being eliminated, secondly there is then less disparity in ability in the first round resulting in closer more enjoyable matches for more players, and thirdly more of the weaker players may get more than one match. Since this is the second tournament, it should be possible to rank (seed) players based on their performance in previous events, and award the byes accordingly.

Just a thought.

Badboy     
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: Strip on October 03, 2009, 08:58:44 AM
I doubt idea that very much Badboy....

How would you fairly rank someone that does not fly many events but clearly is a good fighter?

Strip
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: v1st on October 03, 2009, 09:07:25 AM
Count zig50 in. He just signed up to the boards waiting for approval.  ingame zig50 -- zig2nd on boards.
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: DMBEAR on October 03, 2009, 11:29:13 AM
Pre tourney ranking?   :uhoh

See the BCS

What's wrong w/ a good fight in the early rounds?
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: nimble on October 03, 2009, 04:00:50 PM
gameid: machine
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: texastc316 on October 03, 2009, 07:00:50 PM
Pre tourney ranking?   :uhoh

See the BS

What's wrong w/ a good fight in the early rounds?


fixed  :aok
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: TequilaChaser on October 03, 2009, 07:57:05 PM
I doubt idea that very much Badboy....

How would you fairly rank someone that does not fly many events but clearly is a good fighter?

Strip

Strip, he posted how ....see the BOLD underlined part below

Awarding byes in tournaments is often done in accordance with seeding. Seeding prevents the best players from meeting in the early rounds of a tournament and reduces the risk of spoiling the event if top players should meet and eliminate each other early. Byes are therefore normally given to highest seeds first, or to the best players, for three reasons. Firstly they are most likely to progress anyway and will probably get to play several matches before being eliminated, secondly there is then less disparity in ability in the first round resulting in closer more enjoyable matches for more players, and thirdly more of the weaker players may get more than one match. Since this is the second tournament, it should be possible to rank (seed) players based on their performance in previous events, and award the byes accordingly.

Just a thought.

Badboy     

although there is only one event like this ( BaldEagl's 1st Tourny ) to go by..... it still could be possible to "seed" , as Badboy described..and it would only get easier to do it this way the more events/Tournament like this that BaldEagl host for the community.......

either way I don't really care........ either it will be a limited slots event or it will end up being the never ending rounds of matches to the 1/4 or semi finals......regardless if it ends up being 3 rds, 4 rds, 5 rds, 6 rds, etc........ plus just remember the more you add the more chances you take on people not being dedicated to show for their matchup........ creating more problems, for those who are really serious about this event.....

my worthless 2 cent
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: Tordon22 on October 04, 2009, 01:58:20 AM
I've been hearing nothing but good things about the last one, so I'll break down and join if I can. Zap and BBS is tordon22
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: jerkins on October 04, 2009, 07:27:04 AM
Wasnt going to do this one, but im in.  Jerkins
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: BaldEagl on October 04, 2009, 10:15:36 AM
Second Round...  E4...

Tick... tick tick... tick tick...

And he could... go... all... the... way!


Under 14 hours to see if it's you.  If you've been holding back this is your last chance to sign up.


We're at 73 players.  18 will duel in the first round if no one else signs up.

Here's an updated roster:


In-Game   -   BBs      
Competitors            
4Fox   -   Fox      
AAJagerX   -   AAJagerX      
Agent360   -   Agent360      
akELFY   -   DOUG       
Angels10   -   angels10      
Assi   -   DMBEAR      
B4Buster    -   B4Buster       
BaldEagl   -   BaldEagl   -   Administrator
batfinkv   -   mechanic       
boomerlu   -   boomerlu      
Boozeman-   Boozeman      
Bosco   -   Bosco123      
cactus   -   cactuskooler      
caldera   -   caldera      
Changeup-   Changeup      
Cobra516   -   Cobra516      
DadRabit   -   DadRabit      
Deviant   -   dev1ant      
Dodger   -   jododger       
DrBone   -   DrBone1      
flatiron   -   flatiron1      
Flifast   -   Flifast      
ForkTail   -   Grape       
Gorkle   -   RTGorkle       
Grizz   -   grizz441       
horble   -   horble      
INK   -   ink       
JB11   -   JB11      
Jbecks   -   jdbecks       
Jerkins   -   jerkins   -   Review Committee
JRjolly   -   jolly22
JunkyII   -   JunkyII
Juvat   -   Raptor
Kazan   -   Kazan_HB
Kil02   -   Kilo2
Kristov   -   Kristov
L0nGb0w   -   L0nGb0w
Lambo   -   lambo31
Manurin   -   manurin
Mazz   -   Saurdaukar
Mensa   -   mensa180
Mike254   -   mike254
Mjsmoke   -   mjsmoke
Nex   -   StokesAk
Qrsu   -   Qrsu
ace pilot   -   dkff49
RedTeck   -   RedTeck      
Rud3boi   -         
RufLeak   -   RufusLeaking       
Ruler2   -   Ruler2      
Sandwich   -   sandwich      
SF   -   --)SF----      
shiv   -   shiv      
SkyRock   -   SkyRock      
slimmer   -   slimmer      
Speed55   -   Speed55      
Steve   -   Steve      
Strip   -   Strip      
Sunbatt   -   SunBat      
SunsFan   -   sunfan1121      
SWneo   -   infowars      
TC   -   TequilaChaser   -   Review Committee
Tec   -   Tec      
texstc   -   texastc316      
Tongs   -   SPKmes      
uptown   -   uptown      
v1st   -   v1st      
Viper10   -   ACE      
WMSol   -   Sol75      
xxxJCxxx   -   jimbo71      
Yarbles   -   Yarbles      
Zap   -   Tordon22   -   Review Committee Alternate
zig50   -   zig2nd      

Non-Competitors            
Nisky    -   Nisky    -   Review Committee
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: ACE on October 04, 2009, 11:48:16 AM
<S> Gl to everyone it's gonna be fun  :aok
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: Bosco123 on October 04, 2009, 01:42:49 PM
Take your pick!
Who's gonna win this one? I go with Batfink again. :)

<S>
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: nimble on October 04, 2009, 01:59:15 PM
Please add me
bbs nimble
game machine
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: BaldEagl on October 04, 2009, 02:09:09 PM
Please add me
bbs nimble
game machine

Oops.  Not sure how I missed you but you're added.  That's why I post the roster occasionally.
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: nimble on October 04, 2009, 02:18:55 PM
Oops.  Not sure how I missed you but you're added.  That's why I post the roster occasionally.

Thanks brohiem! Much appreciated!
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: Changeup on October 04, 2009, 05:04:14 PM
When and where will the bracket be posted?

V/r

Changeup
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: JunkyII on October 05, 2009, 08:26:36 AM
I dont want no buy!!!
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: Agent360 on October 08, 2009, 10:10:38 PM
will the match ups be posted in this thread?
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: Tordon22 on October 08, 2009, 10:36:59 PM
will the match ups be posted in this thread?


Neg Agent, they're posted in a thread called something like dueling bracket and results. It's on the first page here somewhere I think.
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: Agent360 on October 08, 2009, 11:13:40 PM
Will somebody post a direct link to the CURRENT match ups

All I can find is the old bracket match up

the first page of this thread has a BLANK sheet
Title: Re: Second Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket Sign-up *HERE*
Post by: cactuskooler on October 08, 2009, 11:43:09 PM
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,275270.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,275270.0.html)