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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: BBGunn on May 23, 2001, 05:54:00 PM
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I would like to see a trial run with rotating plane sets. So maybe one day a week could be plane set day. So we could fly 109-4's against spit5's and 202's. Something like that would be fun and probably fairer for average pilots. Anyone else favor experimenting with rotating plane sets on a limited basis?
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I welcome anything like this, that gives more variety in matchups.
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Neat idea! Only thing, more of the older stuff is needed!
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I agree. Especially if we get early-war aircraft. I don't care if the perk system makes it more difficult to fly certain aircraft, I don't want to fly a Wildcat against an ME-262...if either of these aircraft show up to AH. Maybe the first week or two each month aircraft appear in their order of appearance during the war so that by the end of the 2nd week, all aircraft are then available. I'm not going to stand by that suggestion, it's just something that came to me and I'm sure there are many, many better. Point being, I agree.
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Hey , fly what ya want. I hop in the 202 all the time. Nothing like shooting someone down in an inferior plane. Yes you get killed alot, but hey, i get killed alot anyway. Fly em if ya got em.
fila
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Yes... anything to make some Early War fights possible.. at least sometimes!!!
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BlauKreuz
Lentolaivue 34 (http://www.muodos.fi/LLv34/)
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I dont like this idea, the reason for that is that i usually have only around 6 hours/week flying time atm. And when i lock on i want to fly my beloved D9, and not one of those nice little early war planes.
If anything is this direction will be made we could do some rotating perk systems.
i.e. in the 1939-41 week all planes from 1942-43 cost around 10 perks, adn the 44-45 birds cost around 20 points.
In the 1942-43 week all 44-45 around 10 perks and in the 1944-45 week everything execpt the normaly perk planes cost nothing.
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No Thanks!
We did the RPS thing in WB's and it sucked. It caused the most squeaking and complaining among the community, bar none.
Just say NO to a RPS!
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
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LoL, yeah it sure is fun to see filadawg tooling along in an 202, especially when tooling along in an arado and he decides to take chase, LOL. I don't even bother to jettison my eggs to evade!
BTW, great flying last night fila, was fun.
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Hey bodhi,
I did close to d1.2 and was getting my lasso out and opening the cockpit. While i was unbuckling my belts and standing up to throw lasso, i looked up and you were d2.5 and a goose passed me. My 202 needs an engine upgrade is all (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif). Was fun anyways.
Fila
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I agree! I agree! I agree! I'd like to try rolling plane set for one day a week! Especially if we'll get early war planes. It'd be wonderful to fly Hurricanes, gladiators and CR42 in Aces High. This is an awesome simulation but too much late-war oriented. One day devoted to early war planes would add a lot of variety.
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Naudet, point taken. However, once AH evolves to include early-war aircraft, there may be players who only get so many hours per week to play as well and maybe their favorite is a P-40 or Wildcat and those players (especially if sub-par like me) and run into D9s, Nikkis, Chogs and Spit 9's, those who prefer the P-40 or some such will be forced to fly something else if they want to have any time or success in the air and in combat. Heck, my favorite is the P-51B but I'm finding myself flying the P-51D more and more just for the fact of the two extra guns which help my success and survivability. I have to be sure to pump enough led into my opponent before that spit or nikki can turn his guns onto me.
I do think one week out of the month for a rolling plane set isn't so bad. It would make some of us happy and you others still have 3/4s of the month to fly the "ubber" planes (whatever "ubber" means) to increase your scores k/d ratios.
<dreaming of Wildcats & Dauntlesses>
[This message has been edited by Steven (edited 05-24-2001).]
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Rolling plane sets, historical arenas, and elaborate scenarios can be fun, and WarBirds does 'em all along with its main arena.
But somehow, once RPS began, the WB main arena dwindled and virtually died even though many complained about each stage of the RPS, some planes being too dominant at one stage (e.g. 109 early), and other planes being too dominant at another stage (262 late.
I much favor the free-for-all fly-whatever-you-want aspect of the present AH arena. Sometimes it's fun to fly the latest hotrod, and sometimes it's fun to see what you can do with the 202.
However, RPS theoretically would negate the need for perk planes since they would only be available late in the war with other latest foes.
Rolling plane set or not, AH can set another milestone if it is the first WWII simulator to offer the B-29. That and the 262 would truly complete the WWII aircraft spectrum.
Hopefully common sense would prevail and AH participants would strike a reasonable balance of plane types and not just generate B-29 and CHOG raids to level the entire arena. If restraint is not exercised, a B-29 could be perked, maybe even severely, but at least we could experience some now and then.
If AH ever does try an RPS (along with the present main arena), I hope it will be only after every other aspect of AH is honed to perfection. RPS takes a lot of effort, and AH's excellent staff can give us many more thrills in the main arena before getting bogged down in RPS details.
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late war /early war ....please one or the other. with both we just get confusing and badly matched planesets.
but if we had 1 day a week as pre 1941-2 id have no complaints.Just if it is introduced dont just name the day and turn off all our favourites.Do a release with say a selection of these:
hurricane
he111/do17
P51 with alyson engine for p51 fans
spit I with carbs not injection
brewster buffulo
me109e/me110/ju87
gloster gladiator
beaufighter
macchi mc.200 saetta
<insert whatever plane americans want> (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
but please dontput them in 1 at a time (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) they will be ignored by those majority who fly whatever they can win in.
The way i see it AH 'seems' to be going late war so id suggest we ask for the later models until they flesh out too much then switch to early war later(or open another arena).
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The B29 will be an important milestone, but we have enough aircraft to counter the Superbuff that the B29 will just be another buff like the B17 or the lanc.
My Opinion:
Bring the B29, but dont expect it to be so great. 190D9, Ta152, N1K, and most other late a/c will be prime killers of B29s. The only thing that will save the B29 will be altitude.
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Originally posted by funked:
I welcome anything like this, that gives more variety in matchups.
Limiting the plane set gives more variety in matchups?
Is this some kind of strange warbirds logic?
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Originally posted by Montezuma:
Limiting the plane set gives more variety in matchups?
Is this some kind of strange warbirds logic?
Monte, you are not even wanting to understand this. NOT limiting only, but rotating the available sets. Currently it is late war only... or if someone tries out weeker planes they get their butts kicked very soon and a lot.
Variety in matchups comes through the variety of plane sets available at different times! It does not happen just by adding new planes. Best planes are just about always used.
I proposed earler an area solution to this same problem. Variety would come through limiting available planes at different fields. Thus one could have early war matchups at center of the map at least sometimes (late war planes could take their time to fly there, but they would not be so numerous) while some late war matchups could happen simultaneusly closer to the map edge.
Also defending the home island and HQ would be easier while part of the final front would be attacked by mid war planes.
A softer approach to this would be to allow all planes at all bases, but to perk late and mid war planes at early war area and late war planes at mid war area.
This is only a sketch of the idea... field locations would have to be adjusted!
(http://www.muodos.fi/LLv34/LPFmap.jpg)
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BlauKreuz
Lentolaivue 34 (http://www.muodos.fi/LLv34/)
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field locations would have to be adjusted!
Yep and the fuel multiplier too.
Cause a loaded tiffi (late war wonder (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)) would fell short of fuel even having reached the combat zone ...
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While I think this is a great idea, sadly it would not be met with enthusiasm among all the players, so it will probably never happen. The best way of getting realistic planesets in matches is to do so through the sponsoring of special events. The ones I have participated in have all been enjoyable in their limited types of aircraft and the ability to take on a foe with little more advantage than yourself.
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Any B29 in AH must be perked, its simply too fast at altitude and they wold just dive away at 400mph+ when under attack. Our B17s and Lancs do this all the time albeit at lower speeds. Plus with the uber bombsite....
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Originally posted by Montezuma:
Limiting the plane set gives more variety in matchups?
Is this some kind of strange warbirds logic?
What is so hard to understand about limiting the planeset causing more variety in matchups, or in adding planes to the planeset causing LESS variety in matchups? It's pretty patently obvious to me, and there's nothing contradictory about it at all.
If an unperked Mig-15 and F-86 were added to AH tomorrow, there would be more avaliable planes and sharply LESS variety in plane matchups, for example.
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Originally posted by Torgo:
If an unperked Mig-15 and F-86 were added to AH tomorrow, there would be more avaliable planes and sharply LESS variety in plane matchups, for example.
And that's the only example you got. You seem to forget that uber planes are already addressed by the perk system.
Some planes will always be more popular than others in any plane set. All an RPS and AvA arenas does is encourage the same match ups over and over again by limiting choices.
Yes, it is hard to be competitive flying a 205 or P38 in the MA but people still do it and are rewarded by the perk system.
It's fun to engage a D9 with a Tony, or a hellcat with a P-51b. You never know what you will run into in the MA.
The MA is a fun combat game with WW2 weapons, save the historic match ups and reinactments for events.
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uber planes are already addressed by the perk system.
In theory yes, in practice no. AH MA is 90% 1944 and later planes, every dang day. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
[This message has been edited by funked (edited 05-28-2001).]
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You seem to forget that uber planes are already addressed by the perk system.
A few planes are labelled uber and have their use restricted. Most late war planes have no restrictions at all.
The Tempest is considered to be Uber in relation to the Dora and P-51D, but there is a far bigger gap between early war planes like the Spit V, 109F and the Dora, P51 than there is between the Tempest and Dora.
Perking only a few late war planes and leaving the rest free means AH has a 1944 planeset, and nothing early war will get used much.
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Originally posted by Montezuma:
Yes, it is hard to be competitive flying a 205 or P38 in the MA but people still do it and are rewarded by the perk system.
Uhh.. so how are the perks any reward to someone who wants to fly 205 or P38??? Perks dont help him in any way to fly those planes more or against suitable enemy planes!
Perks might work ok if all but the early war planes were perked. Not much but some points... of cource more towards the late war planes.
The MA is a fun combat game with WW2 weapons, save the historic match ups and reinactments for events.
So you think that early war planes are there mainly for events?? Very sad. Why add any more planes to AH when they either replace the earlier uber planes or are just additions for events?
Straffo,
Tiffie could reach the combat zone just as well as nowadays... it just would not reach the early war area. There is combat at all areas, most would likely occur at the outer rim anyways. Or maybe the tiffie pilot would just pay some perks to up his plane at the early war area.
This WOULD add options to people on how to fly and what kind of planes to fight against!!!
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BlauKreuz
Lentolaivue 34 (http://www.muodos.fi/LLv34/)
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If each plane type had a factory associated with it, it would be possible to deny the enemy use of a certain plane type for a limited amount of time by bombing that factory.
This system could be implemented in the same manner as HQ radar.
Nexus
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AWESOME idea!!!!
That would give much more intrest in bombing raids too, and to defence of the uberdweebfighterfactories (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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BlauKreuz
Lentolaivue 34 (http://www.muodos.fi/LLv34/)
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Originally posted by BlauK:
Uhh.. so how are the perks any reward to someone who wants to fly 205 or P38??? Perks dont help him in any way to fly those planes more or against suitable enemy planes!
Well, for someone who cares about perk points it is an incentive to fly those planes. We were talking about increasing variety of planes used.
Note that other players who do worry about perks have a little less incentive to engage in a long fight to try to kill one of the 'weaker' planes.
If someone wants to fly a plane on the level of the 205 they can, but everyone should not be forced to because of a RPS.
So you think that early war planes are there mainly for events?? Very sad. Why add any more planes to AH when they either replace the earlier uber planes or are just additions for events?
Yes they are mainly for events, why is that sad? I am sure that if AH actually had any early war planes that some people would fly them in the MA. The 3 mid war planes just added seem to be popular.
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Well, I hadn't been able to fly much for the past two months (travel and a computer meltdown) but I finally got up for some stick time this weekend.
And I have to say that it was the most varied planeset mix I have seen in AH since the game has been in open beta. True lots of Niki's and Spits but at least not in the same numbers as we use to see the Chog. And I also saw lots of 190's, Ki61's, La7's, P51's, P47's, a decent amount of F4U's, and a liberal sprinkling of Yak's.
Quite varied in my opinon, and some great fights. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure