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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: smokey23 on September 21, 2009, 07:35:31 PM
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Please speed the wirblewind turret up. Its as slow as a tiger turret i can submit a copy of my 1944 german technical manual showing all aspects of the Möbelwagen, Wirbelwind, Ostwind and Kugelblitz to aid in supporting a more realistic speed. This manual shows angle of climb, Turret rotation and elevation speeds, maximum open ground speed as well as road speed, cross country speeds on rough uneven terrain and armour thickness in different areas. and a whole lot more.
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Have you compaired your stats to what we have now? How are they different?
wrongway
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Yes the turret takes 3.5 more seconds to do a complete rotation than it says a complete rotation should take. I stop watched it in game and came out with 14.0 sec. and my manual says max is 10.5 sec for a complete rotation. This may not sound like much but when youre defending against multiple enemy its huge.
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But does this "technical manual" reflect the specs of the actual serial produced Wirbels? ;)
Because there has been prototypes with powered traverse... but the actual series had no such thing. (BTW, the Kugelblitz never even got into production)
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It shows that first prototype built and tested at the Daimler-Benz facility.1943-10 first production models built 1944-09 this manual is dated 1944-09 so im guessing as far as late war goes this is about right for the period.
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It is certainly worth a look HTC. :aok
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Lets just get rid of the wirble...and other GVs as well :devil
Sol
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It shows that first prototype built and tested at the Daimler-Benz facility.1943-10 first production models built 1944-09 this manual is dated 1944-09 so im guessing as far as late war goes this is about right for the period.
Right. A prototype. The production examples lacked the powered turret of the prototype.
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Will you guys just learn how to utilize 2 wirbs instead of the old wtfpwnagehahah20mminyourface Wirb? Jesus, all of these fluffed feathers just because the wirb was put in line as it should have been when released.
:rolleyes:
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It will be ok about the wirb there not that important...
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I rarely, if ever, GV at all, but the argument that the WW turret is too slow is every bit as relevant as the argument that it was too fast. If there is documented proof about the production model could rotate faster than what is currently modeled, it deserves the same consideration and scrutiny as the evidence that got the turret slowed to its current speed. To come in here and poo-poo on the wish as whining is disingenuous considering it was the same type of whining that got the speed reduced.
What we should all wish for is accuracy, and if new evidence is presented that helps us achieve accuracy, we should embrace it. That doesn't mean it shouldn't be scrutinized and discussed, but if all you're contributing is calling someone a whiner, you're not contributing much to the thread or to HTC's quest for accuracy and realism.
Regards,
Hammer
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I rarely, if ever, GV at all, but the argument that the WW turret is too slow is every bit as relevant as the argument that it was too fast. If there is documented proof about the production model could rotate faster than what is currently modeled, it deserves the same consideration and scrutiny as the evidence that got the turret slowed to its current speed. To come in here and poo-poo on the wish as whining is disingenuous considering it was the same type of whining that got the speed reduced.
What we should all wish for is accuracy, and if new evidence is presented that helps us achieve accuracy, we should embrace it. That doesn't mean it shouldn't be scrutinized and discussed, but if all you're contributing is calling someone a whiner, you're not contributing much to the thread or to HTC's quest for accuracy and realism.
Regards,
Hammer
I think the main point is, where was this evidence BEFORE the turret speed was changed? It's not like they decided to just change it on a whim, there had been discussions--with very specific technical information--about the turret speed from the day the Wirblewind was added. So why didn't smokey speak up before? And why hasn't he posted scans of his tech manual to back up his claims? My guess is, as Karnak suggested, it'll be proven to be a non-production spec and the final production models ARE in line with what we have now.
Otherwise if we're going to beef up planes and vehicles based on prototype numbers, why not give us the P-39 with its original supercharged engine?
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I think the main point is, where was this evidence BEFORE the turret speed was changed? It's not like they decided to just change it on a whim, there had been discussions--with very specific technical information--about the turret speed from the day the Wirblewind was added. So why didn't smokey speak up before? And why hasn't he posted scans of his tech manual to back up his claims? My guess is, as Karnak suggested, it'll be proven to be a non-production spec and the final production models ARE in line with what we have now.
Otherwise if we're going to beef up planes and vehicles based on prototype numbers, why not give us the P-39 with its original supercharged engine?
My comments were not directed at anybody who would ask to see and discuss the accuracy of anybody's evidence. The OP has offered to show his evidence so I expect to see at least some of it here for discussion soon. If it's not, then the thread will go away for lack of it.
My comments were directed at the "aww quit whining" crowd when, in fact, it was the same type of discussion that got the way-too-fast turret slowed down to what is currently considered accurate. If someone thinks they have something showing the currently accepted standard as not being accurate, it should be considered and either accepted or dismissed based on its merits.
As for where it was during earlier discussions, who knows. Out his last 100 posts, none were in the wishlist so maybe he was happy with the way things were and never read the wishlist. I know I don't read every forum - not enough time!
Regards,
Hammer
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you guys make me laugh. who cares what the manuals say, when everything gets coded it will never be 100% accurate to RL or even close to that, remember the 4 to 5k kills you can get in an m4. It never happened in real life. diving in lancs, cant be done either ( not a good idea to release bombs with a neg g), single plane diving through ack to kill a cv, now that's funny. so before u guys get into a fite over some book or statistics just relax and enjoy the fricking game. :D :D and stop worrying about nothing.
semp
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Lets just get rid of the wirble...and other GVs as well :devil
Sol
Lol, you get shot down by a wirb when your attacking someone still wheels down so you say "Get rid of the Wirbs!!!!" :D.
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you guys make me laugh. who cares what the manuals say, when everything gets coded it will never be 100% accurate to RL or even close to that, remember the 4 to 5k kills you can get in an m4. It never happened in real life. diving in lancs, cant be done either ( not a good idea to release bombs with a neg g), single plane diving through ack to kill a cv, now that's funny. so before u guys get into a fite over some book or statistics just relax and enjoy the fricking game. :D :D and stop worrying about nothing.
semp
Before you start spouting things you believe to be facts, here is a picture of a lone surviving D3A Val dive bomber (out of 4 sent to attack the Yorktown on the 2nd day of the Battle of the Coral Sea) that was shot down by Yorktown's AA guns after it dropped its bombs and missed the CV (the other three were shot down by 8 patrolling SBDs from the Yorktown as they prepared their dive run).
(http://dd450.com/The_Solomons_files/Dive_bomber_shot_over_Enterprise-24Aug42-leveled.jpg)
Here is another picture of a lone kamikazi attack on the escort carrier USS White Plains during the Battle for Leyte Gulf in Oct. 25, 1944. The skipper of the White Plains ordered a hard turn to starboard which caused the kamikazi to miss and explode just off the port side of the carrier, causing only minor damage and minor injuries to 11 sailors.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/11/USS_White_Plains_attack_by_Tokkotai_unit_25.10.1945_kk1a.jpg/750px-USS_White_Plains_attack_by_Tokkotai_unit_25.10.1945_kk1a.jpg)
It seems that you would be more at home with one of those arcade flight sims like Blazing Angels.
ack-ack
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I rarely, if ever, GV at all, but the argument that the WW turret is too slow is every bit as relevant as the argument that it was too fast. If there is documented proof about the production model could rotate faster than what is currently modeled, it deserves the same consideration and scrutiny as the evidence that got the turret slowed to its current speed. To come in here and poo-poo on the wish as whining is disingenuous considering it was the same type of whining that got the speed reduced.
What we should all wish for is accuracy, and if new evidence is presented that helps us achieve accuracy, we should embrace it. That doesn't mean it shouldn't be scrutinized and discussed, but if all you're contributing is calling someone a whiner, you're not contributing much to the thread or to HTC's quest for accuracy and realism.
Regards,
Hammer
Well said. :aok