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Title: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: Rich46yo on September 23, 2009, 07:18:27 PM
Heres the video of my vertical dive technique on high value GVs like Tigers. http://s478.photobucket.com/albums/rr149/Rich46yo/?action=view&current=vertical-tiger.flv

I have the original AH film on file but I dont want to embarrass the Tiger driver. I dont think he cheating accusation was mean spirited as much as it was surprise. I have taken out many a tank in the middle of flak like this. The trick is to aim where the tank is going to be and then get one 1 second burst into his weak top armor. Then pull up, often blacked out, and hug terrain maintaining your E and using terrain to cover you from the flak.

Last month I started a thread describing it. http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,273214.msg3418746.html#msg3418746
So this is not a new tactic. I have been practicing it for awhile.

I have the original film the Tiger driver can ask me for in PM but I wont mention his name in open forum. Its not my style. :salute
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: Bear76 on September 23, 2009, 07:27:24 PM
I been doing it that way for years :huh
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: LLogann on September 23, 2009, 07:47:02 PM
That's good flying Rich!!!   :aok
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: A8HatTrick on September 23, 2009, 08:24:39 PM
Ok, here is my problem with this.

I went offline, tried it and realized that this is not something you actually "do".

The AOA and speed at which you are falling vertically with any combo of flaps and throttle is either going to put you nose first in the dirt, stalled out on the pull, or if performed correctly, attempting to stick and rudder your crosshairs over a moving tank and pulling off a 1-1.5 second burst prior to pulling out with your wheels kicking up mud.

So whats my problem?????

Practice.............. this can only be done with practice, and if I wanted to work, I wouldnt be playing a game  :rock
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: smokey23 on September 23, 2009, 10:32:38 PM
How do you possibly see them from that alt? When im GV hunting i have to have ground vis on detail range all the way out and still have to be less than 1.5k to see an icon for GV's on the ground.
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: kilz on September 24, 2009, 07:44:10 AM
whats wrong with that film. that's how i been doing it for years, with tigers tho i normally use a Hurri2D
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: Rich46yo on September 24, 2009, 09:39:14 AM
How do you possibly see them from that alt? When im GV hunting i have to have ground vis on detail range all the way out and still have to be less than 1.5k to see an icon for GV's on the ground.

WTHeck. I posted all that and it wouldnt take cause I sent a PM within 30 seconds?

Heres the full speed film. http://s478.photobucket.com/albums/rr149/Rich46yo/?action=view&current=TT-Tiger-fullspeed.flv

Oh, and I have look forward and Look down mapped on my X-52 in IL2 mode so its very simple to look down right under the airplane. And thats normally when I drop with this tactic. This particular time I was a little off angled and had to use a lot of control to turn back into the Tiger.
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: dev1ant on September 24, 2009, 11:26:10 AM
I really fail to see how this impresses anyone.
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: AWwrgwy on September 24, 2009, 11:38:16 AM
I really fail to see how this impresses anyone.

I don't think it's supposed to, and that's the point.


wrongway
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: Rich46yo on September 24, 2009, 01:34:38 PM
I really fail to see how this impresses anyone.

There always one isnt there?
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: Rich46yo on September 24, 2009, 01:43:26 PM
I been doing it that way for years :huh

Really? With what aircraft?
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: Lusche on September 24, 2009, 01:48:16 PM
Really? With what aircraft?

Don't know about Bear, but the Hurri IID is capable of killing Tigers that way.
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: SPKmes on September 24, 2009, 02:21:42 PM
How do you possibly see them from that alt? When im GV hunting i have to have ground vis on detail range all the way out and still have to be less than 1.5k to see an icon for GV's on the ground.

If you initially find your target by icon, flip your bionic eye on(we all have them attatched to our head gear)....that is zoom in on target and follow that way. You may not see the icon but you can see the target.
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: OOZ662 on September 24, 2009, 02:28:12 PM
There always one isnt there?

What? One who reads the title for what it is? :)
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: Kazaa on September 24, 2009, 02:39:42 PM
Gratz, you can do the easiest thing in game. :aok Someone give me a medal to pin on this mans chest. :salute
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: Bruv119 on September 24, 2009, 03:08:33 PM
Gratz, you can do the easiest thing in game. :aok Someone give me a medal to pin on this mans chest. :salute

looks like kaz woke up without his milk and cookies today.   :uhoh

Didn't your mother ever tell you  if you haven't got nothing nice to say then dont say it.   :)
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: Kazaa on September 24, 2009, 03:11:34 PM
Let me troll in peace gawd darn it!
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: Bronk on September 24, 2009, 03:24:08 PM
Don't know about Bear, but the Hurri IID is capable of killing Tigers that way.
Yup and it takes a bit more something......
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: Rich46yo on September 24, 2009, 03:34:39 PM
Gratz, you can do the easiest thing in game. :aok Someone give me a medal to pin on this mans chest. :salute

Well I went back to tour 102 and the only Tiger you killed with an airplane was with a corsair.

Ive killed more Tigers this tour then you have , LW, since 102. And the few you killed were all with other tanks. :lol

Just like another poster here who killed 12 since tour 99, not one with a Hurricane, 1 with the 23mm IL2, and the rest with Nikis and/or other tanks.

So were going to pin a medal on Kazaa but first we have to fashion it out the south end of a N/B Horse.

Now Lusche or Bruv I would believe at face value and wouldnt need to check stats. Course they have both been accused of cheating so many times you would think by now their skill would simply be accepted.
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: Bronk on September 24, 2009, 03:38:03 PM
Try it with a B-25... 
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: Kazaa on September 24, 2009, 03:38:26 PM
You really think I play this game to kill helpless tanks...  :lol :cry :rofl
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: Bruv119 on September 24, 2009, 03:42:15 PM
Well I went back to tour 102 and the only Tiger you killed with an airplane was with a corsair.

Ive killed more Tigers this tour then you have , LW, since 102. And the few you killed were all with other tanks. :lol

Just like another poster here who killed 12 since tour 99, not one with a Hurricane, 1 with the 23mm IL2, and the rest with Nikis and/or other tanks.

So were going to pin a medal on Kazaa but first we have to fashion it out the south end of a N/B Horse.

Now Lusche or Bruv I would believe at face value and wouldnt need to check stats. Course they have both been accused of cheating so many times you would think by now their skill would simply be accepted.

My skill will never be accepted   :D  just ignored and ridiculed.
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: kilz on September 24, 2009, 03:55:24 PM
Well I went back to tour 102 and the only Tiger you killed with an airplane was with a corsair.

Ive killed more Tigers this tour then you have , LW, since 102. And the few you killed were all with other tanks. :lol

Just like another poster here who killed 12 since tour 99, not one with a Hurricane, 1 with the 23mm IL2, and the rest with Nikis and/or other tanks.

So were going to pin a medal on Kazaa but first we have to fashion it out the south end of a N/B Horse.

Now Lusche or Bruv I would believe at face value and wouldnt need to check stats. Course they have both been accused of cheating so many times you would think by now their skill would simply be accepted.

LMFAO thats rich would you dare to say this to me. i hardly get to log on now a days due to my new born and my work load being so hectic right now. i been killing gvs in Hurris way before you started this game. now all your going to do is get this thread locked due to your lack of knowing how to properly flame someone.
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: Rich46yo on September 24, 2009, 04:11:43 PM
LMFAO thats rich would you dare to say this to me. i hardly get to log on now a days due to my new born and my work load being so hectic right now. i been killing gvs in Hurris way before you started this game. now all your going to do is get this thread locked due to your lack of knowing how to properly flame someone.

Trolling again Kilz? Playing moderator again?

Its not like you were involved right? I get it, tag team buddies with Kazaa right?

Honestly its at a point where you cant even have a decent conversation here without some sweetheartbag busting up a thread with putdowns and smartazz one Liners.

The thread was meant as "informational". Someone, and I dont name names, assumed I was cheating and here, in this thread, I explained how I do it. And showed film. Thats the end of it.

Personaly I play the game to escape the reality I have to deal with for 9 hours a day.
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: Bronk on September 24, 2009, 04:21:57 PM
I don't think it's supposed to, and that's the point.


wrongway
Agreed... so simple even  bombri..... erm a caveman can do it. ;)
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: kilz on September 24, 2009, 04:27:34 PM
See Rule #4
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: Anaxogoras on September 24, 2009, 04:41:32 PM
(http://k43.pbase.com/o5/42/267742/1/68416045.wGDPMlLK.popcorn.gif)
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: saantana on September 24, 2009, 04:49:59 PM
(http://k43.pbase.com/o5/42/267742/1/68416045.wGDPMlLK.popcorn.gif)

haha I love that smily
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: Rich46yo on September 24, 2009, 04:55:27 PM
you spend almost a year in this game and think you are a vet already. whats funny is i was on topic with my first post. second post was due to your smart mouth that got my second post. as from your last post you like to put people down or belittle them. if i wanted to be a smart donut about it i would PM Skuzzy tell him i feel like you are attacking me and i feel threaten from it. so lets keep the smart donut remarks to your self.

Geez after 30 years in LawEnforcement I cant wait to get my stripes here in cartoon land. :lol

Guys like you give me a real kick tho. Nobody can try and add anything to the game until they pass your cartoon veterans test.

Most, tho a bit addled, are OK but some, like you, will smear a well meaning thread with condecension and insult.

Hey, Red Baron, if you dont have anything positive to add to my threads then just stay out of them. Believe me I'll have no trouble ignoring you.
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: shreck on September 24, 2009, 05:15:24 PM
See Rule #4
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: Rich46yo on September 24, 2009, 05:59:45 PM
LOL "bombsnatch" way to geek the F3 view and zoom :aok truely sad and unrealistic!

Typical tard though!!   WTG :aok

.
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: Bronk on September 24, 2009, 06:01:21 PM
Anax

Pass some of that this way.. I'll toss ya a brew.

There are a few lawn chairs in the back of the pick up.... help yourself. :D
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: Ack-Ack on September 24, 2009, 06:06:21 PM
See Rule #4
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: Rich46yo on September 24, 2009, 06:24:06 PM
Ok, here is my problem with this.

I went offline, tried it and realized that this is not something you actually "do".

The AOA and speed at which you are falling vertically with any combo of flaps and throttle is either going to put you nose first in the dirt, stalled out on the pull, or if performed correctly, attempting to stick and rudder your crosshairs over a moving tank and pulling off a 1-1.5 second burst prior to pulling out with your wheels kicking up mud.

So whats my problem?????

Practice.............. this can only be done with practice, and if I wanted to work, I wouldnt be playing a game  :rock

Thanks for taking the time and making a positive contribution to the thread. Everyone else, oh about 1/2 dozen, I reported to skuzzy. He can deal with them. A few of them time and time again bust up threads, in fact they do little else. Im really surprised this company puts up with them because theres a large portion of their base that feels they cant even use the forum because of the sarcasm and stupidity. Supposed grown men with all their variations of, "my way of cartoon airplaning is better then yours so you suck".

The trick A8 is to start off slow and then build up your speed as you get used to it. Ive splatted on the ground a few times and no doubt will again. But its the only way I know to get at a tank thats surrounded by flak. If you see me in the game I'd be happy to show you. :salute
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: Bear76 on September 24, 2009, 07:00:57 PM
Really? With what aircraft?
Hurri II D and it's not that hard to do.
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: Bronk on September 24, 2009, 07:01:47 PM
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,263890.msg3435147.html#msg3435147

Would never sling the poop in anyone thread.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: Ack-Ack on September 24, 2009, 08:20:25 PM
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,263890.msg3435147.html#msg3435147

Would never sling the poop in anyone thread.  :rolleyes:

Looks like the pot has been calling the kettle black again...shame on the pot.


ack-ack
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: kilz on September 24, 2009, 08:27:39 PM
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,263890.msg3435147.html#msg3435147

Would never sling the poop in anyone thread.  :rolleyes:

 :aok   :rofl    :aok     :rofl     :aok
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: Shifty on September 24, 2009, 08:45:58 PM
Supposed grown men with all their variations of, "my way of cartoon airplaning is better then yours so you suck".

Very true. It ranks right down there with supposed grown men who post "look at me" films of their cartoon airplane flying.
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: EskimoJoe on September 25, 2009, 02:52:19 AM
Very true. It ranks right down there with supposed grown men who post "look at me" films of their cartoon airplane flying.

Which is what Rich is not doing.


Honestly its at a point where you cant even have a decent conversation here without some sweetheartbag busting up a thread with putdowns and smartazz one Liners.
[QFT]

The thread was meant as "informational". Someone, and I dont name names, assumed I was cheating and here, in this thread, I explained how I do it. And showed film. Thats the end of it.
[Shifty, this is in big lettering for you.]

Personaly I play the game to escape the reality I have to deal with for 9 hours a day.
[With you here, Rich.]
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: VonMessa on September 25, 2009, 04:25:32 AM
What do you mean I can't use this in my IL2 ???   :O

(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff107/tymekeepyr/121908_sz_gods.jpg)
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: Shifty on September 25, 2009, 04:57:30 AM
Which is what Rich is not doing.


Claims of cheating are absurd. So is bragging that somebody accused you of cheating.

This is just another look at me I'm uber and I need more attention thread.

Since you like big letters Eskischmuck, there's some for you.

Rich wanted some atta boy's plain and simple.

If you want to buy anything else that it's up to you.  :lol
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: mbailey on September 25, 2009, 06:30:39 AM
Claims of cheating are absurd. So is bragging that somebody accused you of cheating.

This is just another look at me I'm uber and I need more attention thread.

Since you like big letters Eskischmuck, there's some for you.

Rich wanted some atta boy's plain and simple.

If you want to buy anything else that it's up to you.  :lol

No offence Shifty, but i had the pleasure of being in the same squad as Rich, your supposed description of him above is completely wrong. The video posted by him was informational only, and to help those that need help, or have questions on how to do something. Im sure the posts title was just a response to people alledging that he is cheating when he is popping tigers in his IL2. Maybe of some of the accusers would take the time to watch it, instead of acting like 4yrolds when they loose their cartoon tank,they would realize that it is possible.

I want to make it crystal clear that this is not an attack on you Shifty, just an observation after reading what you posted, that coupled with knowing Rich, and past experiances flying with him.
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: Anaxogoras on September 25, 2009, 07:44:36 AM
Mbailey, it's good to defend someone if you feel they are being unjustly accused.  I've tried to explain to Rich on many occasions that insult and mockery are not valid forms of argument, but he didn't want to follow my advice.  The results are very entertaining. :D
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: CAP1 on September 25, 2009, 07:45:31 AM
just wanted to pop into this one and say thanks.

i tried this way last night in mw. it netted me 2 kills, and 2 assists, on guys that're really good in gv's. the assists came in my 38 o doom.......'cause i just HAD to see if a 38 could kill em from that angle. it probably could, but not in my hands yet.

 the 2 kills came in a P39Q. admittadly, i only FUBARED em, as there was a countryman on the ground, and he finished em, giving me the kill.
 i think with some practice, i should be able to finish em. i tried with combat trim on a couple times.....no way no how does that help. the plane was bouncing around so much as it constantly tried adjusting, i couldn't hit much more than the dirt.
 without combat trim, i just lined em up, and fired a few bursts. it is a little hard for me to put a lot of rounds on target right now though..........
 :aok

i should also add, that it rather amazed me that two of them(both a wirbel and an osti) in close proximity to each other, both firing on me, neither one of em put a single round in me while i was using this method.

 one of em is notoriously good in his gv's too. i won't name names though.

^0----0^
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: Lusche on September 25, 2009, 07:53:58 AM
the 2 kills came in a P39Q. admittadly, i only FUBARED em, as there was a countryman on the ground, and he finished em, giving me the kill.
 i think with some practice, i should be able to finish em.

And that's usually the only way you can get kills in a P-39Q on tanks: Because it's the kill crediting system that's FUBAR in that specific aspect. You will get the "kill" credited just by pure volume of "damage points" you inflicted on them without any actual damage, while the ground guy that finally really kills them with a single hit get's an "assist" only.

The P-39 has a low velocity HE firing 37mm cannon, completely different from the tank-busting high-velocity AP firing  37mm NS-37, 40mm Vickers S and the 23mm VYa.
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: CAP1 on September 25, 2009, 08:02:08 AM
And that's usually the only way you can get kills in a P-39Q on tanks: Because it's the kill crediting system that's FUBAR in that specific aspect. You will get the "kill" credited just by pure volume of "damage points" you inflicted on them without any actual damage, while the ground guy that finally really kills them with a single hit get's an "assist" only.

The P-39 has a low velocity HE firing 37mm cannon, completely different from the tank-busting high-velocity AP firing  37mm NS-37, 40mm Vickers S and the 23mm VYa.

i didin't know that about the 39's gun. i only took that, as i can fight a little in it, if an enemy air con came in.....and i expected one to come in.

 the rare occasion i've flown anything like the il2, or the ju87(with the ginormous bomb) i've pretty much been shredded before i got near my targets.

 i'll make my next tries in the il.

 i just found it interesting that i could get that close to em without them hitting me, and that rich was right. in the time i was doing this, a countryman got shot down 3 times, making the standard type passes.
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: shreck on September 25, 2009, 11:00:34 AM
See Rules #2, #4
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: EskimoJoe on September 25, 2009, 12:57:32 PM
See Rule #2
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: shreck on September 25, 2009, 01:08:25 PM
See Rules #2, #4
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: Shifty on September 25, 2009, 04:48:16 PM
No offence Shifty, but i had the pleasure of being in the same squad as Rich, your supposed description of him above is completely wrong. The video posted by him was informational only, and to help those that need help, or have questions on how to do something. Im sure the posts title was just a response to people alledging that he is cheating when he is popping tigers in his IL2. Maybe of some of the accusers would take the time to watch it, instead of acting like 4yrolds when they loose their cartoon tank,they would realize that it is possible.

I want to make it crystal clear that this is not an attack on you Shifty, just an observation after reading what you posted, that coupled with knowing Rich, and past experiances flying with him.


Understand MB and I respect your opinion of the OP.
I also appreciate you keeping the fonts at regular size.  ;)

<S>
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: CAP1 on September 25, 2009, 06:24:14 PM
i gotta be missing somethign here. all i read was the op telling a good way to handle gv's from the air. then he shows film, and describes it.

 i went out and tried it in a 39q, and it worked rather well.
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: Bronk on September 25, 2009, 06:47:49 PM
i gotta be missing somethign here. all i read was the op telling a good way to handle gv's from the air. then he shows film, and describes it.

 i went out and tried it in a 39q, and it worked rather well.
You're not missing much.  *snicker*
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: EskimoJoe on September 25, 2009, 07:31:39 PM
i gotta be missing somethign here. all i read was the op telling a good way to handle gv's from the air. then he shows film, and describes it.

 i went out and tried it in a 39q, and it worked rather well.
CAP, the only thing you are missing is a bunch of tards not properly utilizing their brains and thinking the original poster was bragging/wanting attention, ect. ect.

Quite sad really.
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: DREDIOCK on September 25, 2009, 07:32:25 PM
The only problem is that IRL aircraft killing tanks with a gun Including the IL2 were very rare.
By far more tanks were killed by bombs ..or other tanks then by gunfire..even from the IL2.

If this were the case. there would be little to no reason for a country to have tanks.Or aircraft with bombs  Just build aircraft with powerful enough guns to kill tanks on a single pass

The difference isnt that the IL2 here is over modeled. Or that the gun is over modeled. They probably aren't.
In fact. against medium tanks such as the panzer. Its probably slightly under modeled.

But...

The difference is that IRL pilots couldnt just switch to microscope view so they could hit an area with pinpoint accuracy 4-5 feet square while traveling at over 100 miles per hour. not to mention that its guns possessed such a recoil that it made accuracy beyond the first round or two of a burst very difficult at best.
While here. such ill effects are minimal

"The worsening of flight characteristics of the new Shturmovik, as with the IL-2 with the ShFK-37, was due to a large mass/wing ratio and the design of the cannon pods which lowered the aerodynamic performance of the aircraft. From an overall point of view, the IL-2 had poor balance; this indefinitely lowered cannon accuracy. This major factor was amplified by the strong recoil of the cannons during firing. According to NII VA VVS KA data (a letter of NII AV General-Major M.V. Gurevich, from 19.11.1943, to S.V. Ilyushin), the maximum strength of the recoil , present for .03 seconds, on a ground-based platform(existing technology of that time didn't allow the measuring of "the strength of recoil" in aircraft and much less in the air during firing) consisted of a considerable amount - 5500 kg, with a recoil average of 2500 kg. All of this contributed to the wide dispersal of shells during aerial firing."

Results based on the proving grounds trials showed that the well-trained Shturmovik-pilot in all normal circumstances of attack, could attack from a 30 degree angle at a distance of 300-400m - waging fire that would assure the destruction of the Pz.IVG medium tank at .04 to .07. For a halftrack such as the Sd Kfz 251, no higher than .08 - .17. In other words, for the destruction of a solitary tank, vehicle etc... it was necessary to attack with about 15 armored IL's"

http://www.battlefield.ru/content/view/239/123/lang,en/

rich isnt doing anything wrong or anything that the game doesnt allow.
He's just gaming the game a bit

Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: Rich46yo on September 25, 2009, 07:57:47 PM
i gotta be missing somethign here. all i read was the op telling a good way to handle gv's from the air. then he shows film, and describes it.

 i went out and tried it in a 39q, and it worked rather well.

Your not missing anything Cap. Its the same mopes busting up the same kinda threads, once again, and doing so without this Aces High company doing anything about it. Now I have a total stranger named "shifty" telling me why I posted something, in the negative of course. Gee thanks stranger. And here I was thinking I posted it cause I have a lot of enthusiam for this part of the game. Really, thanks for setting me straight.

So Im going to join the other 95% of their "paying" player base and just not use the forum. Im tired of playing games with these fools. As it stands now I cant even start a thread without the one Liner Monkey brigade busting it up. I dont need the additional aggravation, frankly I wonder if any of these characters have any kind of life outside this game.

 :salute To those for the fine conversations weve had here. But this forum aint worth a damn!

P.S. Cap1 your a gentleman and Ive appreciated hearing your input. I could say that to a fair amount of folks and its a shame its come to this. But this thread is the last straw for me. <Poof>
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: CAP1 on September 25, 2009, 08:16:36 PM
The only problem is that IRL aircraft killing tanks with a gun Including the IL2 were very rare.
By far more tanks were killed by bombs ..or other tanks then by gunfire..even from the IL2.

If this were the case. there would be little to no reason for a country to have tanks.Or aircraft with bombs  Just build aircraft with powerful enough guns to kill tanks on a single pass

The difference isnt that the IL2 here is over modeled. Or that the gun is over modeled. They probably aren't.
In fact. against medium tanks such as the panzer. Its probably slightly under modeled.

But...

The difference is that IRL pilots couldnt just switch to microscope view so they could hit an area with pinpoint accuracy 4-5 feet square while traveling at over 100 miles per hour. not to mention that its guns possessed such a recoil that it made accuracy beyond the first round or two of a burst very difficult at best.
While here. such ill effects are minimal

"The worsening of flight characteristics of the new Shturmovik, as with the IL-2 with the ShFK-37, was due to a large mass/wing ratio and the design of the cannon pods which lowered the aerodynamic performance of the aircraft. From an overall point of view, the IL-2 had poor balance; this indefinitely lowered cannon accuracy. This major factor was amplified by the strong recoil of the cannons during firing. According to NII VA VVS KA data (a letter of NII AV General-Major M.V. Gurevich, from 19.11.1943, to S.V. Ilyushin), the maximum strength of the recoil , present for .03 seconds, on a ground-based platform(existing technology of that time didn't allow the measuring of "the strength of recoil" in aircraft and much less in the air during firing) consisted of a considerable amount - 5500 kg, with a recoil average of 2500 kg. All of this contributed to the wide dispersal of shells during aerial firing."

Results based on the proving grounds trials showed that the well-trained Shturmovik-pilot in all normal circumstances of attack, could attack from a 30 degree angle at a distance of 300-400m - waging fire that would assure the destruction of the Pz.IVG medium tank at .04 to .07. For a halftrack such as the Sd Kfz 251, no higher than .08 - .17. In other words, for the destruction of a solitary tank, vehicle etc... it was necessary to attack with about 15 armored IL's"

http://www.battlefield.ru/content/view/239/123/lang,en/

rich isnt doing anything wrong or anything that the game doesnt allow.
He's just gaming the game a bit



we're not talking real life here. in real life, lancs, 17's, and 24's didn't dive bomb. tbm's and sbd;s didn;t turn fight. a20's didn't turn fight(i think).

we're talking ah2 here....and the demonstrated attack method works very nicely.  :aok
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: Bear76 on September 25, 2009, 08:19:47 PM
If this had been posted in the Help and Training forum and the subject line reflected that, the reaction would probably have been different. Some of your wording was probably interpreted that you invented the tactic. That was my first reaction when I read it.
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: CAP1 on September 25, 2009, 08:25:23 PM
Your not missing anything Cap. Its the same mopes busting up the same kinda threads, once again, and doing so without this Aces High company doing anything about it. Now I have a total stranger named "shifty" telling me why I posted something, in the negative of course. Gee thanks stranger. And here I was thinking I posted it cause I have a lot of enthusiam for this part of the game. Really, thanks for setting me straight.

So Im going to join the other 95% of their "paying" player base and just not use the forum. Im tired of playing games with these fools. As it stands now I cant even start a thread without the one Liner Monkey brigade busting it up. I dont need the additional aggravation, frankly I wonder if any of these characters have any kind of life outside this game.

 :salute To those for the fine conversations weve had here. But this forum aint worth a damn!

P.S. Cap1 your a gentleman and Ive appreciated hearing your input. I could say that to a fair amount of folks and its a shame its come to this. But this thread is the last straw for me. <Poof>

hopefully you check in one more time.

if you leave, then they won.

now.......i had seen your other posts about this. it didn't strike home till last night though. there wasn't much going on in the air, and there were a couple guys kept trying to gv into our bases...i died once, and watched a countryman die multiple times......doing the standard attacks.
 one of em was idling in 1st gear, as he was able to bring his turret to bear on me rather quickly, when we attacked him from different directions.
 then i remembered this thread, and kinda "saw" the film in my head. since it was a slow night, i figured what the hell? i;ll try it.
 the first times were in a p38j. it's very very easy to line this up in a p38, with the counter-rotating props. the guns just aren't enough.....yet. since i wanted to stick with something i could fight in if i had to, i upped the p39q. it took me a few minutes getting re-adjusted to the torque of a single engine, but she did more damage. enough, that i now want to try this in the il2.
 
 the most amazing part(to me anyway) is that although a p38 is a small target to another aircraft, it's generally one of the easier planes to hit from the ground.
 i made close to 10 passes, and neither of em put a single round in me.

 don't much care what the other guys have said........

thanks dude!
<<S>>
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: CAP1 on September 25, 2009, 08:26:44 PM
If this had been posted in the Help and Training forum and the subject line reflected that, the reaction would probably have been different. Some of your wording was probably interpreted that you invented the tactic. That was my first reaction when I read it.

i believe he did post one in there........but with all of the gv's lately, this forum is appropriate for this. it is informative, and on topic.
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: DREDIOCK on September 25, 2009, 08:31:39 PM
we're not talking real life here. in real life, lancs, 17's, and 24's didn't dive bomb. tbm's and sbd;s didn;t turn fight. a20's didn't turn fight(i think).

we're talking ah2 here....and the demonstrated attack method works very nicely.  :aok

Agreed. completely and absolutely
As I pretty much summered in my closing statement <S>

"rich isnt doing anything wrong or anything that the game doesnt allow.
He's just gaming the game a bit"
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: CAP1 on September 25, 2009, 08:34:19 PM
Agreed. completely and absolutely
As I pretty much summered in my closing statement <S>

"rich isnt doing anything wrong or anything that the game doesnt allow.
He's just gaming the game a bit"


understood........but again...we all do that to some extent. most everyone zooms in their gunsight. we have bomber guns linked to "fire all",,,,,,i'm not sure about this one, but i'd bet that the a20 pile-its use the "F3" mode in a fight......etc......
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: DREDIOCK on September 25, 2009, 08:36:09 PM
understood........but again...we all do that to some extent. most everyone zooms in their gunsight. we have bomber guns linked to "fire all",,,,,,i'm not sure about this one, but i'd bet that the a20 pile-its use the "F3" mode in a fight......etc......

I never said otherwise  :)

We all game the game to a certain extent.
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: Bear76 on September 25, 2009, 08:49:54 PM
i believe he did post one in there........but with all of the gv's lately, this forum is appropriate for this. it is informative, and on topic.
Apparently not everyone saw it that way. Just saying.
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: Belial on September 26, 2009, 12:42:53 AM
I've been 1 month clean from this cursed game.  I'm not surprised to see all the trolls in a thread that rich started to teach people.  I'm with you rich these "14,000" posts of trash talk guys need a spanking.  I have no urge to return when I get on here for 2 sec and all I see is garbage as usual.




Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: Ack-Ack on September 26, 2009, 01:44:28 AM
I've been 1 month clean from this cursed game.  I'm not surprised to see all the trolls in a thread that rich started to teach people.  I'm with you rich these "14,000" posts of trash talk guys need a spanking.  I have no urge to return when I get on here for 2 sec and all I see is garbage as usual.






Ahhh...I guess this means no chance of another round in the DA? 


ack-ack
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: DREDIOCK on September 26, 2009, 07:45:52 AM
I've been 1 month clean from this cursed game.  I'm not surprised to see all the trolls in a thread that rich started to teach people.  I'm with you rich these "14,000" posts of trash talk guys need a spanking.  I have no urge to return when I get on here for 2 sec and all I see is garbage as usual.






http://eclecticdaydreams.com/dream/displayimage-554-52.html
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: Belial on September 26, 2009, 08:10:08 AM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Case and point right there.^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^





Theres nothing I can do to change people who feel it's their right to belittle others at every turn.  People like Ack Ack, when you play a game 100 hours a tour thats pretty pathetic, but hey the games kinda fun.  But whats really pathetic is to spend every waking moment on a forum about a "game you act like you love" putting others down.  At some point your self esteem was damaged and your only way to vent is on here.  

                                                                       Try getting Laid it might help
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: Anaxogoras on September 26, 2009, 08:35:32 AM
Some of you are only seeing half the story.  Let's see if I can explain why you see so much trash talking in this thread.  Here is a small selection of some of Rich's invective:

Its the same IL2 for each side and every player. Frankly this Tank crowd in AH has to many drama Queens and preemadonnas.
(http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr149/Rich46yo/Tigerwhinecopy.jpg)
Whats wrong boo-boo? Your wittle tiger get all blowed up?



Meanwhile, back in the flight sim, the tank crowd celebrates a win.
(http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr149/Rich46yo/Gay_Tank-2-waaa-2.jpg)
(http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr149/Rich46yo/USS-waa.jpg)
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: Bronk on September 26, 2009, 10:00:41 AM
Some of you are only seeing half the story.  Let's see if I can explain why you see so much trash talking in this thread.  Here is a small selection of some of Rich's invective:
(http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr149/Rich46yo/Tigerwhinecopy.jpg)(http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr149/Rich46yo/Gay_Tank-2-waaa-2.jpg)
(http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr149/Rich46yo/USS-waa.jpg)


Its the same mopes busting up the same kinda threads, once again, and doing so without this Aces High company doing anything about it.


Welcome to the mope club . :aok



I love the hypocrisy of it all. :rofl
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: DREDIOCK on September 26, 2009, 06:35:20 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Case and point right there.^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^





Theres nothing I can do to change people who feel it's their right to belittle others at every turn.  People like Ack Ack, when you play a game 100 hours a tour thats pretty pathetic, but hey the games kinda fun.  But whats really pathetic is to spend every waking moment on a forum about a "game you act like you love" putting others down.  At some point your self esteem was damaged and your only way to vent is on here.  

                                                                       Try getting Laid it might help

(http://chamberfour.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/kleenex.jpg)


I picked the pretty pink ones just for you.

If life is that bad here. and you feel you know its that bad here.
Why do you keep coming back?

 Your a masochist, or just plain plain stupid? Orrr. Is it really not as bad as you make out?
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: CAP1 on September 26, 2009, 07:03:02 PM
i like the pink tank!   :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: Steve on September 26, 2009, 07:47:18 PM
I've been 1 month clean from this cursed game.  I'm not surprised to see all the trolls in a thread that rich started to teach people.  I'm with you rich these "14,000" posts of trash talk guys need a spanking.  I have no urge to return when I get on here for 2 sec and all I see is garbage as usual.






You come back here to participate in nothing but strife. This makes you a cancer, really.  You're not clean of anything as long as you come here to piss in a thread now and then. You're actually worse than anyone who plays the game and  posts controversy. You're an old hanger-on who stupidly thinks because he doesn't log in to the game that he is somehow more enlightened than the rest of us.   Go away if you have nothing good to say, unless you simply enjoy spreading your unhappiness around. Garbage as usual.. you have done nothing in this thread but add to the garbage pile.
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: caldera on September 26, 2009, 08:02:46 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Case and point right there.^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^





Theres nothing I can do to change people who feel it's their right to belittle others at every turn.  People like Ack Ack, when you play a game 100 hours a tour thats pretty pathetic, but hey the games kinda fun.  But whats really pathetic is to spend every waking moment on a forum about a "game you act like you love" putting others down.  At some point your self esteem was damaged and your only way to vent is on here.  

                                                                       Try getting Laid it might help


Time in game for Belial:

Tour 114  86h, 41m, 49s
Tour 113 67h, 44m, 52s
Tour 112 125h, 05m, 50s
Tour 111 129h, 09m, 25s
Tour 110 151h, 20m, 36s


Hypocrisy is a funny thing.  :lol
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: CAP1 on September 26, 2009, 10:18:45 PM

Time in game for Belial:

Tour 114  86h, 41m, 49s
Tour 113 67h, 44m, 52s
Tour 112 125h, 05m, 50s
Tour 111 129h, 09m, 25s
Tour 110 151h, 20m, 36s


Hypocrisy is a funny thing.  :lol

holy heck in a birds nest batman!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

tjat's ,pre time than some people work in a month!!
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: Dinan on September 26, 2009, 10:24:22 PM
holy heck in a birds nest batman!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

tjat's ,pre time than some people work in a month!!


Yeah!  I wonder how much time he spends on the BBS!   :eek:
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: Larry on September 27, 2009, 04:16:09 AM
I still love how some people think there is some skill or you need some technique to kill GVs in an IL2. 
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: Steve on September 27, 2009, 04:36:15 AM

Time in game for Belial:

Tour 114  86h, 41m, 49s
Tour 113 67h, 44m, 52s
Tour 112 125h, 05m, 50s
Tour 111 129h, 09m, 25s
Tour 110 151h, 20m, 36s


Hypocrisy is a funny thing.  :lol


lmao
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: CAP1 on September 27, 2009, 02:19:45 PM
Yeah!  I wonder how much time he spends on the BBS!   :eek:

 :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: Ack-Ack on September 27, 2009, 03:16:29 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Case and point right there.^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^





Theres nothing I can do to change people who feel it's their right to belittle others at every turn.  People like Ack Ack, when you play a game 100 hours a tour thats pretty pathetic, but hey the games kinda fun.  But whats really pathetic is to spend every waking moment on a forum about a "game you act like you love" putting others down.  At some point your self esteem was damaged and your only way to vent is on here.  

                                                                       Try getting Laid it might help


Time in game for Belial:

Tour 114  86h, 41m, 49s
Tour 113 67h, 44m, 52s
Tour 112 125h, 05m, 50s
Tour 111 129h, 09m, 25s
Tour 110 151h, 20m, 36s


Hypocrisy is a funny thing.  :lol

For me...

Tour 114:  43:18:27
Tour 113:  38:02:52
Tour 112:  10:17:25
Tour 111:  Didn't fly

Funny how you mention "getting laid" when you were usually online on a Friday or Saturday night.   I find that sad, in college with all that booze and loose young chicks and you couldn't even score. 


ack-ack
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: MjTalon on September 27, 2009, 03:21:29 PM
It's heating up jimmy!
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: EskimoJoe on September 27, 2009, 04:12:21 PM
It's heating up jimmy!
I'm surprised this thread hasn't been locked yet..

Skuzzy is slacking...




 :noid
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: CAP1 on September 27, 2009, 06:13:57 PM
I'm surprised this thread hasn't been locked yet..

Skuzzy is slacking...




 :noid

why would he lock a thread with someone trying to be helpful?
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: Bronk on September 27, 2009, 07:01:27 PM
I'm surprised this thread hasn't been locked yet..

Skuzzy is slacking...




 :noid

Not slacking... more like letting it run it's course. I find if you act like a numpty, people pointing it are not trolling. So why lock it? They are just pointing out the blatantly obvious.
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: saantana on October 01, 2009, 06:06:53 PM
For me...

Tour 114:  43:18:27
Tour 113:  38:02:52
Tour 112:  10:17:25
Tour 111:  Didn't fly

Funny how you mention "getting laid" when you were usually online on a Friday or Saturday night.   I find that sad, in college with all that booze and loose young chicks and you couldn't even score. 


ack-ack

Haha!! This coming from someone that most probably never went to college.  :rolleyes:
We're all cartoon pilots, you know!
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: CAP1 on October 01, 2009, 07:06:19 PM
Haha!! This coming from someone that most probably never went to college.  :rolleyes:
We're all cartoon pilots, you know!

what's going to college got to do with anything in this thread?
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: Ack-Ack on October 01, 2009, 09:25:08 PM
Haha!! This coming from someone that most probably never went to college.  :rolleyes:
We're all cartoon pilots, you know!

Graduated college in 1992, thank you very much.


ack-ack
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: saantana on October 02, 2009, 08:19:58 AM
what's going to college got to do with anything in this thread?

Read the quote. Still don't see it?
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: saantana on October 02, 2009, 08:26:05 AM
Graduated college in 1992, thank you very much.


ack-ack

 :huh  :aok
Title: Re: Ya, I can really do it without cheating.
Post by: CAP1 on October 02, 2009, 05:46:26 PM
Read the quote. Still don't see it?

ya got me there.  :rofl :rofl :rofl

sorry sir!  :aok