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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Changeup on September 24, 2009, 09:46:40 AM
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I have tried it all...damping, dead band, slider adjustments...geezus, it won't stop. It isn't the joystick itself as it works fine in other games. Too much adjustment makes the stick unresponsive in ACM.
I have a Logitech, 3D Pro
Does anyone have a screen shot of their settings that diminish BOUNCE!??? I WILL PAY FOR THE PICTURE!! AHHHHHHHHHHHH!! (pulling hair out and kicking dog)
V/r
Changeup
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Its proboly spiking, mny logitech did the same thing...time for a new stick.
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What stick are you using? One of my squaddies is having the same problem.
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What stick are you using? One of my squaddies is having the same problem.
RTFP
I have a Logitech, 3D Pro
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Same problem here since some patches back.
CH fighterstick, delayed input, as a result the feeling is sluggish and I oversteer to often.
Esp. noteable on the elevators.
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<BABBLE>i have the same stick as you i believe...the logitech extreme 3d pro.
as my stick has gotten older the problem has gotten a little worse the best fix i have for it is increasing the deadband on the Z axis aka the twist rudder so when I'm trying to get a lead on someone it wont notice the small rudder twists and also having a steady hands helps tons too.
I have also heard that twist rudder sticks aren't good for dogfighting because of this problem but Ive gotten used to it.
i took a screen shot of my z axis deadband settings but theres no attach button so i cant post it but i can tell you how i did it.
after my stick got broken in there is a little loose play on it, especially for the Z axis so when your adjusting it set it so when you jiggle the stick on the z axis slightly(not enough to run into any resistance you know, just the free play)the raw input you should see move slightly and turn the dead band up until the scaled input line doesn't move anymore when your twisting the Z axis within the free play zone.
hope you get what I'm trying to say :aok
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Same problem here since some patches back.
CH fighterstick, delayed input, as a result the feeling is sluggish and I oversteer to often.
Esp. noteable on the elevators.
I have CH Fighterstick...never really had problems with it, but recently added some scaling because I was tired of the little "bounce" I had. Deadband and Damping minimal. Two days later I really like it. Small change, big difference. I'm flying smoother, shooting better and killing more.
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RTFP
Oops... glossed right over that part. :huh
Different stick, same issue though. This may seem silly, but make sure your scaling is turned on for EACH axis... not just one. Some people dont realize that you have to set it up for each on separately.
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That joystick is notorious for dying quickly, with the average working lifetime being three months. Logitec's potentiometers used to be horrible...hoping their new $300 rig has better ones in it. I hear it has Hall Effect Sensors like the X52 as well.
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Lots of guys in my squad are having the same problem myself included. I use a CH stick and moved my damping up a bit. It helped a little. Seems something has changed though in recent patches. Twice lastnight there were guys 200 out on my six and they couldnt hit me. I could tell they were bouncing all around.
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Thought it was just me, my stick started fluctuating on the elevator axis a long time ago, but it's usually less than 200. But recently it has gotten very bumpy.
Edit: It's a Saitek ST290 Pro.
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Thanks guys...about two months ago our squad genius (every squad has the techy right? lol) Bentnail, had a scale "formula" that he worked out for this stick specifically and it fixed ALL the bouncing....smooth as silk. Over the last two months its gotten worse and unrepairable. Now, I would blame it on the stick but I have TWO sticks..one for home and one I take with me when I travel on business and play on my laptop...they both are terrible now but the settings are the same.
Im clueless now but thank you very much for your help.
V/r
Changeup
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Changeup, have you recalibrated your stick in windows,or whatever program Logitec uses if installed, and then again in AH.??
CH products has the "control manager" for calibrating in lue of the windows calibration tool..
Just a thought..
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I had this issue also...I finally bought a powered usb hub and that has helped.. But something I have found is (this is for me but you may find the same if you try) I have less issue with this with all detail off with just bump mapping on. Full detail Hires works for me but I find things a little unstable at the finer end of the fight...general flight nothing noticeably different(a little more jumpy I suppose). I get 30 frms average with the odd fluctuation now and then. these fluctuations are more over land than water and in fact I get higher frames over water, obviously something to do with the amount of texture in the land now.
With detail off I get an average of 70 (usually goes up more than down) and I find my stick to be closer resembling the way it was before the update... I thought this was all in my head and just started to adapt but was getting quite frustrated because, I can understand a slump so to speak in your game but when progressivley over three tours you become worse than the first day you trialed..... since this came up I thought I'd put forward what I had noticed.
Since I have turned off my detail my ability has started to get back to where I was....N'uber' dweeb' :D
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Changeup, just did a check on the Logitec sight. They have what is called the"wingman clear calibration tool".
Similar to CH's control manger. I was getting bouncys, and trouble with my controls staying calibrated with
just windows calibration tool. I installed the "CH control manger" calibrated in that, and then in AH, and has
smoothed my controls out nicely. I have no experience with Logitec, but am assuming it is the same. If you choose
to use Logitecs tool, you may have to remap all your buttons..I had to when I installed CH control manger..
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Its weird i have had a Logitech 3d pro for 4 years and no problems at all
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I used the X3Dpro for 3yrs, till I just bought the G940... The X3D never was a "smooth" stick, with the ball and socket w spring, and pots, it never will be, even when brand new... I've had lots of them, because they wear out fast... At $25 bucks each online, really, what do you expect!!! If you keep the weight of your forearm supported, so it doesn't rest on the sticks socket, it will double the lifespan.. Had one last a year that way.. Sounds like you have the same prob, that I always had.. If you set the dampers up, to steady down your aim, then it is too sluggish during hard ACM, And vice/versa...
All I can suggest, is keep the dampers as low as you can tolerate, and remember to release your deathgrip for a sec, to let the controls neutralize before you take take your shot.. And practice changing from the hard grip
for maneuver, to the fingertip touch for aiming... That worked for me, don't really think there is another solution for that stick...
Biggest prob for me was unintentional rudder input on the twisty... LOL, this just EATS UP your E as well, and you don't even realize it, LOL!!!
RC
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Everytime I have an issue with my stick, I go into the controls for it and do the following.
-Unplug it
-push stick full foward
-plug it back in while pushed full foward and let it back to rest
-unplug it again
-pull full back on the stick
-plug it back in while full back and let it back to rest
- continue doing the same for every input (left, right, rudders)
- keep it at rest and unplug it one more time
- plug it back in at rest and check settings
this usually fixes just about any problem I have with my stick, but I'm using an X52 so I'm not sure if this would even work for a Logitech.
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Changeup, just did a check on the Logitec sight. They have what is called the"wingman clear calibration tool".
Similar to CH's control manger. I was getting bouncys, and trouble with my controls staying calibrated with
just windows calibration tool. I installed the "CH control manger" calibrated in that, and then in AH, and has
smoothed my controls out nicely. I have no experience with Logitec, but am assuming it is the same. If you choose
to use Logitecs tool, you may have to remap all your buttons..I had to when I installed CH control manger..
FYI - The calibration tool in CH Manager is the same calibration tool as Windows, just uses a different wrapper. With CH products, it does not matter if you use the Windows calibration tool or CH Control Manager's calibration tool.
ack-ack
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I have tried it all...damping, dead band, slider adjustments...geezus, it won't stop. It isn't the joystick itself as it works fine in other games. Too much adjustment makes the stick unresponsive in ACM.
I have a Logitech, 3D Pro
Does anyone have a screen shot of their settings that diminish BOUNCE!??? I WILL PAY FOR THE PICTURE!! AHHHHHHHHHHHH!! (pulling hair out and kicking dog)
V/r
Changeup
Try searching the forums using the keyword 'stick scaling' and you'll see a few threads where others have posted their stick scalings. I'm sure you'll be able to find one that will help or at least give you an idea how to scale your stick to minimize or eliminate nose bounce.
ack-ack
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Just get a CH Fighterstick and know you have purchased the most reliable stick. I went through a Logitech 3d Pro (sent to a former squaddie), 2 X045's and an X-52, prior to the CH.
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My sticks have always been way too sensitive. Especially the rudder.
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Thank you fellas. Lots of good help and here's what I have found helped:
1) Uninstalled the Logitech management software and that left the drivers up;
2)That allowed me to recalibrate in windows...before it would not;
3)Re-scaled using the "Bentnail" solution lol
4)Calibrated ingame for each axis
5)calibrated ingame for general
Still a tad of bounce but I haven't gone through and fine tuned the scaling just yet.
Ack-Ack - thanks..I will search for the scaling issue and the suggestions will help me fine tune I betcha.
Thanks gents
V/r
Changeup
PS - If this doesnt work, my dogs will get 4th and longed out of the backyard and CH will get a call.
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just be easy on the stick, and use your e and rudder to stabalize it for shots. :aok
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On mine I just had to dampen the rudder controls