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Title: yak 9u
Post by: df54 on September 26, 2009, 08:45:28 PM
   

   is it me or is the yak9u one of the worst performing of the late war planes compared to the other late war planes.
Title: Re: yak 9u
Post by: StokesAk on September 26, 2009, 09:01:42 PM
IMO quite the oppistie, turns good, OK guns, fast, climbs well, accelerates fast.  :D
Title: Re: yak 9u
Post by: Enker on September 27, 2009, 12:17:42 AM
   

   is it me or is the yak9u one of the worst performing of the late war planes compared to the other late war planes.
It's just you. The Yak turns well, climbs like a rocket, has a great gun package, and goes FAST. Are you sure that you don't suck? It does take a lot more practice to fly well than it does a Spit, or it does to pick in a P-51.
Title: Re: yak 9u
Post by: Spatula on September 27, 2009, 01:06:27 AM
    is it me or is the yak9u one of the worst performing of the late war planes compared to the other late war planes.

It's definitely you... The Yak 9u has few weaknesses. Duration is not its strong point, and i find the cannons not as effective as hispanos, but apart from that its a very capable aircraft!
Title: Re: yak 9u
Post by: trotter on September 27, 2009, 02:54:30 AM
The lack of WEP is disorienting you. As many have said before me, "Yak WEP is always on".

It's true. The Yak is quite simply a beast compared to the rest of the planeset. Know how to fly it, and you'll have few difficulties gaining advantages during fights. Now, converting with the gun package/being satisfied with the ammo count is another beast. Talk to Chanzz.
Title: Re: yak 9u
Post by: BillyD on September 27, 2009, 03:21:55 AM
plus it's a very small target.....
Title: Re: yak 9u
Post by: mechanic on September 27, 2009, 03:37:55 AM
A sqauddie Wrongway is pretty damn good in the yak, you should ask him for some duels. Other guys who spring to mind are SEbongo or Chanzz or Fariz (sorry if i forgot anyone)
Title: Re: yak 9u
Post by: Ghosth on September 27, 2009, 07:36:13 AM
Wep is on full time, don't have to worry about it running out.

Guns are very good if your close. Shoot from 150 - 250, its nimble enough to get in very close. At close ranges the guns are almost as good as Hispano's and very effective.

Spit 16's are the yak's biggest threat, as it does everything the Yak does.

Yaks strongest suit is in the vertical, if your not using it you won't be happy with the results.
Title: Re: yak 9u
Post by: jdbecks on September 27, 2009, 07:53:25 AM
Yaks are one of the planes that give me alot of problems when I encounter them, and mostly some good sticks are behind the stick off them which can give me a little more of a problem.

and them being such a small target is also a pita :D
Title: Re: yak 9u
Post by: Anaxogoras on September 27, 2009, 08:02:12 AM
Spit 16's are the yak's biggest threat, as it does everything the Yak does.

QFT.  Any perception of the Yak as incapable is likely due to the % of XVIs in the arenas that, save for level top speed, do everything the Yak does, only better.

(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/newscores/genchart.php?p1=24&p2=86&pw=1&gtype=0)

(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/newscores/genchart.php?p1=24&p2=86&pw=1&gtype=2)
Title: Re: yak 9u
Post by: df54 on September 27, 2009, 08:46:50 AM
   Anaxogoras hit the nail right on the head. in my origonal post i thought i made it clear i was speaking of
 comparitive performance to other late war planes  also while others feel that lack of wep is a plus i feel that
 no wep is a severe limitation(acceleration) as is lack of combat flaps. been flying yak for at least a year and i could make a list of its limitations. have read widewings articles on yak and my impressions agree with his(low speed handling) i fly it only because of its excellent views and level speed. as far as other qualities a
capable fighter should have i feel it falls way short(once again compared to other late war fighters). there is a reason for everything and there is a reason  and a reason why you see so few of them at least in the DA.










da 
Title: Re: yak 9u
Post by: Hap on September 27, 2009, 09:35:42 AM
9U is a stone cold killer.
Title: Re: yak 9u
Post by: The Fugitive on September 27, 2009, 09:49:19 AM
  Anaxogoras hit the nail right on the head. in my origonal post i thought i made it clear i was speaking of
 comparitive performance to other late war planes  also while others feel that lack of wep is a plus i feel that
 no wep is a severe limitation(acceleration) as is lack of combat flaps. been flying yak for at least a year and i could make a list of its limitations. have read widewings articles on yak and my impressions agree with his(low speed handling) i fly it only because of its excellent views and level speed. as far as other qualities a
capable fighter should have i feel it falls way short(once again compared to other late war fighters). there is a reason for everything and there is a reason  and a reason why you see so few of them at least in the DA.










da 


In the DA you see the super uber planes mostly because most of the clowns in there can't kill with out screaming in and picking anyway. Should you use the yak to do this you would have to RTB to often due to the light clip it has.

However in the MA a decent player can dominate with the yak in most situations against even the other late war monsters.
Title: Re: yak 9u
Post by: Enker on September 27, 2009, 03:42:48 PM
  Anaxogoras hit the nail right on the head. in my origonal post i thought i made it clear i was speaking of
 comparitive performance to other late war planes  also while others feel that lack of wep is a plus i feel that
 no wep is a severe limitation(acceleration)

Read this:
Wep is on full time, don't have to worry about it running out.
Also, when I flew it in the MA a while back, I felt that it was a well performing plane. Also, that gun package? Very dangerous to be shot at by, but really teaches ammo conservation.
Title: Re: yak 9u
Post by: df54 on September 27, 2009, 04:03:16 PM
   that very dangerous gun package takes a while to line up for a kill. since the ammo load is so weak i usually
get nailed just lining up a shot(cant just pray and spray). another yak weakness.
Title: Re: yak 9u
Post by: Enker on September 27, 2009, 04:51:29 PM
   that very dangerous gun package takes a while to line up for a kill. since the ammo load is so weak i usually
get nailed just lining up a shot(cant just pray and spray). another yak weakness.
Please explain how this is a weakness.
Title: Re: yak 9u
Post by: The Fugitive on September 27, 2009, 05:58:39 PM
   that very dangerous gun package takes a while to line up for a kill. since the ammo load is so weak i usually
get nailed just lining up a shot(cant just pray and spray). another yak weakness.


It's not the yak's weakness, it's the pilots weakness.
Title: Re: yak 9u
Post by: MutleyBR on September 28, 2009, 02:10:23 AM

It's not the yak's weakness, it's the pilots weakness.

I agree.

Below is an AH film of one of my best fights ever on Aces High.

It's Yak-9U vs Bf109-K4. I was just lucky this time. Was flying against Hopper, who is a great pilot and real sport as well.  :salute  :aok

The film is very long, the fight lasted for about 10 minutes. I left the remaining 4 minutes as they show our chat, after the fight, on channel 200. Left them there as testimony of Hopper's sportsmanship. It is a model for many who don't fly 1/10th of what he does...  :aok  :salute

At a certain moment Mad2009 offers me help. English is not my home language. Sometimes I misunderstand ... I thought he had asked something like 'did you get him?' I answered with a dry 'no'(couldn't take my attention from the 109, which I knew was piloted by an expert...
Watching the movie, I had the impression of being rude to Mad2009, who was offering help. So I PM'ed him in Arena thanked him and apologized for that.  :aok :salute
Being rude is not my style.


Now, if a dumb old fart like me can fight Yak-9U against 109-K4, why canīt other people do it?

Hope it helps.

Mutley (with 1 T only, please do not take me for that copy cat with 2 TT   :furious )




Sometimes internal view gets off proper position, just press HOME key while watching to correct.

I use my custom gunsight. If you do not use it in Yak-9U you will get no sight in the film. Just install the one below if you want to see a gunsight.

Download gunsight from here:

http://www.mediafire.com/file/5jzq3dydf1d/mutley_dred_B.bmp (http://www.mediafire.com/file/5jzq3dydf1d/mutley_dred_B.bmp)

2 versions of film first uncompressed, about 6Mb, second is compressed(RAR), about 3Mb:

http://www.mediafire.com/file/mmyennnyywz/YAK-9U vs 109-K4.ahf (http://www.mediafire.com/file/mmyennnyywz/YAK-9U vs 109-K4.ahf)


http://www.mediafire.com/file/ognyzydtmjy/YAK-9U vs 109-K4.rar (http://www.mediafire.com/file/ognyzydtmjy/YAK-9U vs 109-K4.rar)
Title: Re: yak 9u
Post by: Anaxogoras on September 28, 2009, 06:27:05 AM
You guys are being a little unfair, I think.  "Spray and Pray" was a poor choice of words, but any idiot knows it's better to have more ammo than less.  I tend to shoot well, but what makes the Yak a pain is that missing with even a short burst frequently reduces your ammunition by a large fraction of the initially small total.

If we had one of those Yak variants with 2x20mm + 37mm (high velocity), it would overcome that main drawback for the majority of virtual pilots with gunnery percentages frequently below 5%.
Title: Re: yak 9u
Post by: Ghosth on September 28, 2009, 06:34:43 AM
Secret to the yak is that it teaches you good habits.
ACM over spray and pray, use the vertical, get in close, make your shots count.

You could have the exact same airframe with more guns and ammo and it would NOT be respected.
Case in point N1k, tiffy, etc.

The respect comes from the fact that it takes control to fly the yak well.

2 20mm's and a 37mm and you'd have a bird worse than the yak9t. Bit like the iL2, feared, don't let yourself get in front of it, but not really respected. Its all about the guns and not the pilot.

The Yak9U is all about the pilot, not the guns.
Title: Re: yak 9u
Post by: Masherbrum on September 28, 2009, 06:59:02 AM
To date, Anton is the best Yak stick I've ever seen.   I miss my wingman.   :(
Title: Re: yak 9u
Post by: Masherbrum on September 28, 2009, 07:00:30 AM
   that very dangerous gun package takes a while to line up for a kill. since the ammo load is so weak i usually
get nailed just lining up a shot(cant just pray and spray). another yak weakness.

That's your weakness, not the Yak's.
Title: Re: yak 9u
Post by: Anaxogoras on September 28, 2009, 09:18:51 AM
2 20mm's and a 37mm and you'd have a bird worse than the yak9t.

How would a Yak-9U with 2x20mm and 1x37mm be worse than the Yak-9T?  It's safe to say it would still outperform it in every way, despite the extra weight.
Title: Re: yak 9u
Post by: Masherbrum on September 28, 2009, 09:27:14 AM
How would a Yak-9U with 2x20mm and 1x37mm be worse than the Yak-9T?  It's safe to say it would still outperform it in every way, despite the extra weight.

Especially when I'm within 200 when pulling the trigger.   Imagine buff hunting with that Yakenstein?! 
Title: Re: yak 9u
Post by: Anaxogoras on September 28, 2009, 09:30:26 AM
Especially when I'm within 200 when pulling the trigger.   Imagine buff hunting with that Yakenstein?! 

Especially since that 37mm has the muzzle velocity of a Hispano. :t
Title: Re: yak 9u
Post by: Ghosth on September 28, 2009, 10:00:43 AM
Question, what exactly do you think the difference is between the 9U and the 9T?

Adding a pair of 20mm's instead of the mg's would just make that difference worse.
Title: Re: yak 9u
Post by: infowars on September 28, 2009, 12:47:40 PM
The 9t nose is quite a bit heavier.

I started to fly the 9U to teach me to preserve ammo,  now I almost exclusivly fly 9t and 9u.

I love watching people explode with one shot from my 37mm

Long live Yaks...  :rock
Title: Re: yak 9u
Post by: Anaxogoras on September 28, 2009, 01:06:09 PM
Question, what exactly do you think the difference is between the 9U and the 9T?

Adding a pair of 20mm's instead of the mg's would just make that difference worse.


The 9U has about 320 more horsepower than the 9T.  The oil coolers are in different locations.  The 9U has 2 12.7mm machine guns and a 20mm cannon, while the 9T has 1 12.7mm machine gun and a 37mm cannon.
Title: Re: yak 9u
Post by: FentFV on September 28, 2009, 04:24:14 PM
Prefix:  I am *not* a great pilot!!

But - the Yak-9U is my love :)

It climbs, it dives, it zooms, it manages E quite well.  And it's a speed demon.  It's best in the mid- to low-level fight (say 15K or under), but that's where most fights happen anyway.  I don't consider the ammo load a limitation - it forces you to angle your way to the optimum shot.  If I see someone spraying and praying, I just lick my chops.  Dinner :)

I can say that there is no plane in the set that the Yak deosn't have at least an equal chance against.  In many cases, the Yak simply dominates.  The Yak usually has one or more advantage against at least 90% of the planes (maybe more).

The LA *might* be the exception:  they seem to outclass the Yak on paper.  But very few *good* pilots fly the LA, except for base defense.  So if I see one far from home, I'll merge and see what they do.  If they do something "stupid" (by my standards, which are *not* uber), then the fight's already over.

When I'm in a Yak, planes that are very good in the vertical worry me more than others.  But Ponies, Corsairs, and other "slow-climbers", starting co-E, it's just a matter of time before their E is bled dry and they flop.  This should *not* be taken as a slam against the wonder-sticks in those plane types, of course!


The only type of plane I *don't* engage is bombers.  But that's just because of the ammo limitation:  It simply takes too much to shoot one down.


Quote
Spit 16's are the yak's biggest threat, as it does everything the Yak does

Except that the Yak is far faster.  My engagements against Spixteens usually involve merge and a few turns.  If I don't have angles, I'll simply extend out to 2K, rinse and repeat.  You can't be "forced" into a turn fight.  You either let it happen or you don't.


To be perfectly honest, the only plane I fear when I'm in a Yak is another Yak :)
Title: Re: yak 9u
Post by: df54 on September 28, 2009, 05:47:52 PM
    any films fent
Title: Re: yak 9u
Post by: WWhiskey on September 28, 2009, 07:15:00 PM
not the u, but a film a made along time ago of the T
http://www.mediafire.com/?2y3nk2gnmjx
Title: Re: yak 9u
Post by: Gixer on September 29, 2009, 10:58:06 PM
To be perfectly honest, the only plane I fear when I'm in a Yak is another Yak :)

No, the plane you should really fear is a lone Yak 9T   :t


<S>...-Gixer
Title: Re: yak 9u
Post by: SuBWaYCH on September 30, 2009, 09:28:20 PM
9-U is an animal, but it takes a good pilot to fly it correctly. Its ENY doesn't respect its actual threat as a plane. As stated, Spit 16/another Ya-9U is this planes worst nightmare. It also looks really sexy as an added bonus.  :aok
Title: Re: yak 9u
Post by: WWhiskey on September 30, 2009, 11:52:33 PM
both yaks are a lot of fun, the yak 3 would be a monster exept for the light ammo load , but then again, yaks are not famous for there large load of rocks to thro!
 flying them is as close to the real thing as you will ever get in this game tho!
Title: Re: yak 9u
Post by: df54 on June 15, 2011, 04:34:09 PM
  


        in my opinion the yak has other major drawbacks other than low ammo load:    
 
        1-lack of combat flaps
        
        2-lack of wep
    
        3-gunnery skills have to be exceptional to consistently get killls.
Title: Re: yak 9u
Post by: WWhiskey on June 15, 2011, 06:47:38 PM
 


        in my opinion the yak has other major drawbacks other than low ammo load:    
 
        1-lack of combat flaps
        
        2-lack of wep
    
        3-gunnery skills have to be exceptional to consistently get killls.


 back when I flew the yaks a lot, I got lots of kills in them,, the T model more so tho,,, just make sure the wind screen is full of bad bird before you fire the 37 MM and poof they are gone!
Title: Re: yak 9u
Post by: Klam on June 16, 2011, 01:58:20 PM
Been reading this thread for a couple of days, so I decided to take up the 9u

I'm just about average (on a good day) but I had great time.  On my first flight with it I landed 2 kills and 1 assist.   
The yak 9u I feel is a real nice and balanced.  It didn't need trimming down in a dive like the La5fn, response was good in most of the envelope.  Found the thing a little unsettled while landing, probably because I'm not used to the torque being opposite to most other rides. 
It was fast and climbed real well, I never bothered with the flaps in combat as I didn't let my speed drop below 220ish.  Visibility was fantastic.
Took it up a couple more times, then ran into 2 262's and a spixteen winging with them.  It was only a matter of time  before the inevitable Klam'n'Yak sandwich but was fun to wiggle and see wasted 30mm fly past.  My SA's not the best when 3v1 and the Spixter tagged me eventualy.
 
Here's a short film of the encounter

 http://www.mediafire.com/?xbkyptbpu9s27t4

Anyways. I will definitely be taking this great little plane for a spin again.

Have fun

Klam
Title: Re: yak 9u
Post by: Orbitson on June 16, 2011, 04:38:58 PM
I agree.
I use my custom gunsight. If you do not use it in Yak-9U you will get no sight in the film. Just install the one below if you want to see a gunsight.

Download gunsight from here:

http://www.mediafire.com/file/5jzq3dydf1d/mutley_dred_B.bmp (http://www.mediafire.com/file/5jzq3dydf1d/mutley_dred_B.bmp)

2 versions of film first uncompressed, about 6Mb, second is compressed(RAR), about 3Mb:

http://www.mediafire.com/file/mmyennnyywz/YAK-9U vs 109-K4.ahf (http://www.mediafire.com/file/mmyennnyywz/YAK-9U vs 109-K4.ahf)


http://www.mediafire.com/file/ognyzydtmjy/YAK-9U vs 109-K4.rar (http://www.mediafire.com/file/ognyzydtmjy/YAK-9U vs 109-K4.rar)

re: gunsight  "invalid file"  Is it me or is that link broken?   I'm interested in that gunsight..can you direct me to where I can find it?
Title: Re: yak 9u
Post by: gyrene81 on June 16, 2011, 05:44:02 PM
 in my opinion the yak has other major drawbacks other than low ammo load:    
 
        1-lack of combat flaps
        
        2-lack of wep
    
        3-gunnery skills have to be exceptional to consistently get killls.
i take it you don't fly anything but u.s. aircraft...and late war stuff at that. a yak flown by someone good can out maneuver and shoot you down easily...don't underestimate it.
Title: Re: yak 9u
Post by: MutleyBR on June 17, 2011, 07:17:31 PM
re: gunsight  "invalid file"  Is it me or is that link broken?   I'm interested in that gunsight..can you direct me to where I can find it?


Hi Orbitson and friends.

There was a problem with the file, hereīs another link for download.

It's a ZIP file with 2 files, the sight itself and a  [ .MIL ] file. Extract and save both to your Aces High, [ sights ] folder
:

http://www.mediafire.com/file/209a4n87a6w727p/mutley_dred_N_2.zip (http://www.mediafire.com/file/209a4n87a6w727p/mutley_dred_N_2.zip)

The sight is  this one(DO NOT DOWNLOAD THIS IMAGE, DOWNLOAD FROM THE ABOVE LINK!):

(http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee331/BlueMerlinBr/mutley_dred_N_2.jpg)

Instructions for use:

(http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee331/BlueMerlinBr/Sightinstructions-2.jpg)


If you have any ideas for improvement please let me know.

Hope this helps.


Mutley  :salute

Title: Re: yak 9u
Post by: WWhiskey on June 17, 2011, 07:40:13 PM
No, the plane you should really fear is a lone Yak 9T   :t


<S>...-Gixer

:salute
Title: Re: yak 9u
Post by: Klam on June 21, 2011, 06:03:00 PM
Loved the 9u, first time i took it up.
Have been in Midwar with the 9t for a few days, can't say it's an easy plane to fly effectivley in combat.  Most things I thought I knew about ACM have gone out the window until I can just get it to go where I want it.
I read Soda's evaluation of it and most of what he says I have found to be true.
So different to fly, it  feels skitish and unstable compared to the 9u.  Probably due to the wieght of the 37mm gun.
Took it up offline and in the TA a few times and flew it around watching the ball guage. I found that turning left doesn't need much left rudder but turning right needs left rudder.  I even re-calibrated my stick.
As the speed drops it becomes really difficult to hold the ball centered.
I would love to get a grip on it though and fight effectively with it.
Title: Re: yak 9u
Post by: Karnak on June 22, 2011, 05:14:56 AM
Lack of WEP is one way to look at it.  Another is WEP 100% of the time.

You don't need to plan your fight around a timed duration of emergency power.
Title: Re: yak 9u
Post by: BoilerDown on June 23, 2011, 01:48:04 PM
Someone in one of the two Yak threads said that the 9T turns better.  My experience is the opposite, and its not even close.  The 9T reminds me of a Jug, it wallows around at low speeds and takes a long time to get to high speeds, which really aren't even that high.  And it doesn't turn nearly as well as the Yak 9U.  It does get better as it shoots off its ammo load, but it never gets to the 9U level.  The reason the 9T is dangerous is its one hit kill capability and if you're a pro, the ability to shoot that weapon to long ranges.  I'm not a pro, I miss with the big cannon all the time from point blank. 

If you see me in a 9T instead of the 9U, I'm probably out to HO people vulching my field, or there's some tankers that I'm out to kill.  Its also good for deacking fields, because your shot can be off by quite a bit and still kill the gun, and you can do it 32 times potentially.  I still prefer the 9U for deacking, but the 9U is mostly ineffective against ground vehicles.  I've been disappointed using it for anti-bomber, because you need multiple hits to take off a wing, not one hit blowups like on fighters.  Its also slow to climb to alt and has a smallish fuel tank, making it a mediocre interceptor.  Any of the 30mm armed Germain aircraft are far better choices.
Title: Re: yak 9u
Post by: Klam on June 23, 2011, 04:21:06 PM
^--- What he just said....

I like the the 9t's "potential" capabilities, I'm just not getting her to fly anywhere near them. 
Compared to the 9u, the t fly's like a slug.
Title: Re: yak 9u
Post by: Orbitson on June 24, 2011, 04:59:21 PM
Hi Orbitson and friends.

There was a problem with the file, hereīs another link for download.

It's a ZIP file with 2 files, the sight itself and a  [ .MIL ] file. Extract and save both to your Aces High, [ sights ] folder
:

http://www.mediafire.com/file/209a4n87a6w727p/mutley_dred_N_2.zip (http://www.mediafire.com/file/209a4n87a6w727p/mutley_dred_N_2.zip)


Hope this helps.


Mutley  :salute



Thanks Mutley..got it and will check it out.