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Title: A true ace and hero
Post by: The Grinch on September 27, 2009, 07:39:12 AM
(http://www.timesonline.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00095/clostermann_95700a.jpg)
Pierre Clostermann
French fighter ace whose skill daring made him a feared opponent in the skies over occupied Europe
His plane is a Tempest :salute
He all so flew the Spitfire :salute
Check his kills :salute
Title: Re: A true ace and hero
Post by: texastc316 on September 27, 2009, 09:03:15 AM
anybody can get kills in a Tempest or Spits  :devil
Title: Re: A true ace and hero
Post by: minke on September 27, 2009, 09:15:45 AM
What a noob  :rofl
Title: Re: A true ace and hero
Post by: batch on September 27, 2009, 09:55:51 AM
easy moder
Title: Re: A true ace and hero
Post by: SoulTakr on September 27, 2009, 09:57:07 AM
The French fought?     :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: A true ace and hero
Post by: gyrene81 on September 27, 2009, 10:08:26 AM
The French fought?     :rofl :rofl
ROFLMAO...can't be touching their croissants.


If he flew a Tempest, then most of those "kills" were ground vulches...not the same as an airborne fighter.
Title: Re: A true ace and hero
Post by: Flipperk on September 27, 2009, 10:13:33 AM
Probably got the luftwaffe while they were laughing at seeing a french man flying...
Title: Re: A true ace and hero
Post by: The Grinch on September 27, 2009, 10:31:15 AM
You all could read one of his storys from the war.
f.eks. Hunt for Bismarck.

Sorry that you people that don't know, its not your foul.

Im from Norway, that country that he flew in when he found the boat. I know my country war history and our allied
that fought side by side my countrymen.

If you dont have any clue what you are gonna write about, so dont.
Title: Re: A true ace and hero
Post by: hammer on September 27, 2009, 10:37:22 AM
anybody can get kills in a Tempest or Spits  :devil
What a noob  :rofl
easy moder
The French fought?     :rofl :rofl
ROFLMAO...can't be touching their croissants.

If he flew a Tempest, then most of those "kills" were ground vulches...not the same as an airborne fighter.
Probably got the luftwaffe while they were laughing at seeing a french man flying...

You know, it's one thing to smack talk someone in the game because you don't approve of what they fly, but to apply the same standards to anyone who contributed to most of Europe not speaking German today is appalling and shows just how far we, as a society, have slipped.

No regards for ignorance and disrespect,

Hammer
Title: Re: A true ace and hero
Post by: texastc316 on September 27, 2009, 10:40:28 AM
jeeze it was a joke.
Title: Re: A true ace and hero
Post by: DJ111 on September 27, 2009, 11:56:05 AM
There is no humor allowed in The O'Club.
Title: Re: A true ace and hero
Post by: EskimoJoe on September 27, 2009, 04:23:26 PM
You know, it's one thing to smack talk someone in the game because you don't approve of what they fly, but to apply the same standards to anyone who contributed to most of Europe not speaking German today is appalling and shows just how far we, as a society, have slipped.

No regards for ignorance and disrespect,

Hammer
Hammer, well said. Good man, both you and him.

 :salute


Title: Re: A true ace and hero
Post by: Die Hard on September 27, 2009, 04:39:58 PM
jeeze it was a joke.

No it wasn't. It was a slight against a real warrior and a whole nation. And, no, it wasn't funny; French jokes were old in 2003.
Title: Re: A true ace and hero
Post by: ink on September 27, 2009, 04:54:08 PM
french joke?   "cut da board tree times...still too short." :D


I am half french...better then being polish :rofl








no offense to any polish J/K
Title: Re: A true ace and hero
Post by: texastc316 on September 27, 2009, 04:57:52 PM
See Rule #4
Title: Re: A true ace and hero
Post by: texastc316 on September 27, 2009, 04:58:54 PM
See Rule #2
Title: Re: A true ace and hero
Post by: Die Hard on September 27, 2009, 05:02:51 PM
See Rule #4

No.
Title: Re: A true ace and hero
Post by: texastc316 on September 27, 2009, 05:03:55 PM
No.

well obviously, you cant.
Title: Re: A true ace and hero
Post by: Die Hard on September 27, 2009, 05:05:22 PM
Any other war heroes you'd like to make fun of?
Title: Re: A true ace and hero
Post by: texastc316 on September 27, 2009, 05:08:15 PM
See Rule #4
Title: Re: A true ace and hero
Post by: Die Hard on September 27, 2009, 05:21:53 PM
Making jokes in a thread named "A true ace and hero" and telling me I don't have a clue... Ok. Yeah, have a nice weekend... even if it's already Monday in most parts of the world.
Title: Re: A true ace and hero
Post by: texastc316 on September 27, 2009, 05:23:31 PM
See Rule #4
Title: Re: A true ace and hero
Post by: stodd on September 27, 2009, 06:42:19 PM
 :eek:
Title: Re: A true ace and hero
Post by: 1pLUs44 on September 27, 2009, 07:12:25 PM
First of all, <S> to the pilot. Wiki'ied him and found some great information.

And second, is it that big of a deal to call someone out over a joke? Where they probably didn't mean any disrespect to the pilot?

Title: Re: A true ace and hero
Post by: Die Hard on September 27, 2009, 08:14:15 PM
No it's not really a big deal. Just gets tiresome.
Title: Re: A true ace and hero
Post by: batch on September 27, 2009, 09:30:45 PM
blah blah and whaaaaa............ people including myself enjoyed some light humor

no disrespect was intended with the jokes...... Im sure he was a great pilot

btw....... he didnt fly for France....... they rejected him....... imagine that (he learned to fly in the US and flew for the RAF)

and also his kills on the side of his plane were not accurate by ANY account
Title: Re: A true ace and hero
Post by: Barrett on September 27, 2009, 11:04:38 PM
Read his book - "The Big Show" amazing story. 

His uniform hangs in the Smithsonian.



Title: Re: A true ace and hero
Post by: Guppy35 on September 27, 2009, 11:06:48 PM
blah blah and whaaaaa............ people including myself enjoyed some light humor

no disrespect was intended with the jokes...... Im sure he was a great pilot

btw....... he didnt fly for France....... they rejected him....... imagine that (he learned to fly in the US and flew for the RAF)

and also his kills on the side of his plane were not accurate by ANY account

You want to try again with that? 
Title: Re: A true ace and hero
Post by: batch on September 27, 2009, 11:17:06 PM
try again with what? the first time was very clear
Title: Re: A true ace and hero
Post by: Flipperk on September 27, 2009, 11:18:24 PM
You know, it's one thing to smack talk someone in the game because you don't approve of what they fly, but to apply the same standards to anyone who contributed to most of Europe not speaking German today is appalling and shows just how far we, as a society, have slipped.

No regards for ignorance and disrespect,

Hammer

oh no, its the fun police
Title: Re: A true ace and hero
Post by: StokesAk on September 27, 2009, 11:19:27 PM
See Rule #4

In :noid
Title: Re: A true ace and hero
Post by: Guppy35 on September 28, 2009, 01:00:58 AM
try again with what? the first time was very clear

But inaccurate.  He learned to fly in South America before the war.  Did not get into the French Air Force.  Got his Commercial License in the US and then trained with the RAF.  He was with the Free French in England, serving first with 341 Squadron which was Free French.  I suggest tracking down a copy of the "Mouchotte Diaries" if you want a better look at the Free French Spit drivers, or you could read Clostermann's book "The Big Show".  He later went to 602 Squadron with Jacques Remlinger  where he flew Spit Vs, VIIs and IXs on ops from 42-44 before coming off Ops post D-Day.  He went back on Ops flying Tempests

As for the disparity in kills, like many of the Aces there has always been questions.  Ground kills are marked as were air to air.  Some were shared kills.

That he served his country honorably, flew a lot of combat hours in Spits and Tempests, and was an ace are not in question.
Title: Re: A true ace and hero
Post by: The Grinch on September 28, 2009, 01:03:12 AM
Pierre Clostermann was a Free French fighter ace whose incredible account of the air war over Britain and France has become one of the most famous memoirs of the Second World War. Over the course of five years Clostermann engaged in hundreds of dog-fights, shot down scores of Luftwaffe planes, escorted American bombers on some of the most dangerous raids of the war, and watched many of his friends falling to their deaths in the skies over the Channel. The Big Show contains everything one could wish for in a war memoir: wonderfully observed descriptions of wartime Britain, frighteningly evocative stories of in-the-cockpit action, an amazing cast of characters, and all the drama and bravery of a man fighting a desperate war thousands of feet above the ground. An undeniable classic. This edition has been updated by the author with new material and previously unseen photographs
Title: Re: A true ace and hero
Post by: mechanic on September 28, 2009, 04:17:55 AM
S!
A real warrior, as die hard said.

Title: Re: A true ace and hero
Post by: -tronski- on September 28, 2009, 06:04:03 AM
blah blah and whaaaaa............ people including myself enjoyed some light humor

no disrespect was intended with the jokes...... Im sure he was a great pilot

btw....... he didnt fly for France....... they rejected him....... imagine that (he learned to fly in the US and flew for the RAF)

and also his kills on the side of his plane were not accurate by ANY account

FFS no-one would tolerate anyone pulling the piss out of Gabby Gabreski, Bud Anderson, Chuck Yeager's, or a hundred other real flyers war record - why should there be any tolerance for this guy?

Have a good look at yourself

 Tronsky
Title: Re: A true ace and hero
Post by: straffo on September 28, 2009, 06:08:55 AM
plus ça change ...

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/plus_%C3%A7a_change,_plus_c%27est_la_m%C3%AAme_chose
Title: Re: A true ace and hero
Post by: Hap on September 28, 2009, 06:13:09 AM
You know, it's one thing to smack talk someone in the game because you don't approve of what they fly, but to apply the same standards to anyone who contributed to most of Europe not speaking German today is appalling and shows just how far we, as a society, have slipped.

No regards for ignorance and disrespect,

Hammer
:aok
Title: Re: A true ace and hero
Post by: KgB on September 28, 2009, 11:14:47 AM
First of all, <S> to the pilot. Wiki'ied him and found some great information.

And second, is it that big of a deal to call someone out over a joke? Where they probably didn't mean any disrespect to the pilot?


Ah...

place where anybody can write anything and claim it as truth

WIKIPEDIA
Title: Re: A true ace and hero
Post by: Shuffler on September 28, 2009, 11:24:46 AM
Pierre Clostermann was a Free French fighter ace whose incredible account of the air war over Britain and France has become one of the most famous memoirs of the Second World War. Over the course of five years Clostermann engaged in hundreds of dog-fights, shot down scores of Luftwaffe planes, escorted American bombers on some of the most dangerous raids of the war, and watched many of his friends falling to their deaths in the skies over the Channel. The Big Show contains everything one could wish for in a war memoir: wonderfully observed descriptions of wartime Britain, frighteningly evocative stories of in-the-cockpit action, an amazing cast of characters, and all the drama and bravery of a man fighting a desperate war thousands of feet above the ground. An undeniable classic. This edition has been updated by the author with new material and previously unseen photographs


I've never read anything about him personally. I'll have to check it out. Always looking for a good read on the air war.


As for escorting bombers..... from my reading the spits were notoriously short legged. I'll have to checkout the books. <S>
Title: Re: A true ace and hero
Post by: 1pLUs44 on September 28, 2009, 10:53:28 PM
Ah...

place where anybody can write anything and claim it as truth

WIKIPEDIA

Yes, but generally, you can find good accurate information. I did a quick search, I could probably find the same information I found on wiki on many other websites.
Title: Re: A true ace and hero
Post by: straffo on September 29, 2009, 01:10:52 AM
I've never read anything about him personally. I'll have to check it out. Always looking for a good read on the air war.


As for escorting bombers..... from my reading the spits were notoriously short legged. I'll have to checkout the books. <S>

his book is not really accurate but very thrilling and imersive
Title: Re: A true ace and hero
Post by: texastc316 on September 29, 2009, 02:27:12 AM
FFS no-one would tolerate anyone pulling the piss out of Gabby Gabreski, Bud Anderson, Chuck Yeager's, or a hundred other real flyers war record - why should there be any tolerance for this guy?

Have a good look at yourself

 Tronsky

they flew runstangs.
Title: Re: A true ace and hero
Post by: Anaxogoras on September 29, 2009, 11:17:40 AM
I am so tired of cliche jokes about the French I get nauseous from the lack of originality and ignorance.  The only thing that cures it is reading Voltaire and about American evacuations of Vietnam and Beirut.

Ah...

place where anybody can write anything and claim it as truth

WIKIPEDIA

More ignorance...
Title: Re: A true ace and hero
Post by: BigPlay on September 29, 2009, 02:26:03 PM
You all could read one of his storys from the war.
f.eks. Hunt for Bismarck.

Sorry that you people that don't know, its not your foul.

Im from Norway, that country that he flew in when he found the boat. I know my country war history and our allied
that fought side by side my countrymen.

If you dont have any clue what you are gonna write about, so dont.

Read "The Big Show" by him. It's a good read.
Title: Re: A true ace and hero
Post by: KgB on September 29, 2009, 03:06:20 PM
I am so tired of cliche jokes about the French I get nauseous from the lack of originality and ignorance.  The only thing that cures it is reading Voltaire and about American evacuations of Vietnam and Beirut.

More ignorance...
You could also try cutting down on coffee.
My comment wasn't about France.
Title: Re: A true ace and hero
Post by: Anaxogoras on September 29, 2009, 03:33:20 PM
Oh, I know.  But what you claimed about Wikipedia is an absolute falsehood.  I think there's plenty of good criticisms of Wikipedia's epistemological standards, but spreading falsehoods like "anyone can write anything" does no one any good.
Title: Re: A true ace and hero
Post by: Shuffler on September 29, 2009, 03:37:46 PM
See Rule #4
Title: Re: A true ace and hero
Post by: Guppy35 on September 29, 2009, 03:41:14 PM
I've never read anything about him personally. I'll have to check it out. Always looking for a good read on the air war.


As for escorting bombers..... from my reading the spits were notoriously short legged. I'll have to checkout the books. <S>

Spits covered the bombers as far as they could.  Closterman talks about some of the first use of 90 gallon slipper tanks on their Spits to try and extend the escort range.  In general the Spits would cover the bombers in, hand off to the Jugs, 38s and later the Mustangs, and then cover the bombers on the way out.
Title: Re: A true ace and hero
Post by: Unit791 on September 29, 2009, 03:41:25 PM
There is no humor allowed in The O'Club.

Lmao
Title: Re: A true ace and hero
Post by: Shuffler on September 29, 2009, 03:46:20 PM
Spits covered the bombers as far as they could.  Closterman talks about some of the first use of 90 gallon slipper tanks on their Spits to try and extend the escort range.  In general the Spits would cover the bombers in, hand off to the Jugs, 38s and later the Mustangs, and then cover the bombers on the way out.

That is what I have read <S>
Title: Re: A true ace and hero
Post by: Denholm on September 29, 2009, 04:31:58 PM
You know, it's one thing to smack talk someone in the game because you don't approve of what they fly, but to apply the same standards to anyone who contributed to most of Europe not speaking German today is appalling and shows just how far we, as a society, have slipped.

No regards for ignorance and disrespect,

Hammer

I have to agree with the above comment. It's one thing to poke fun at people in a simulator. It's an entirely different thing to slap people who defended against an impeding evil.
Title: Re: A true ace and hero
Post by: 1pLUs44 on September 29, 2009, 04:37:40 PM
Lmao

What did he just say?  :noid
Title: Re: A true ace and hero
Post by: Unit791 on October 03, 2009, 09:18:32 PM
What did he just say?  :noid


Sorry, chairrman, it shall not happen again.  For all future humor-seekers, see rule # 3,743,534 section 4-c.
Title: Re: A true ace and hero
Post by: straffo on October 04, 2009, 03:19:37 AM
See Rule #4

Nope, not the French citizen only some "politics" and "artist" do.
Title: Re: A true ace and hero
Post by: Yenny on October 04, 2009, 06:38:43 AM
Y'all can joke in the game all you want, from one player to another. However, respect is due when it comes to people in the real world that contributed to the cause of freedom by sweat and blood. There's a line where joke should stop, and for me that's where I draw.

Best regard from Iraq,
Yenny
Title: Re: A true ace and hero
Post by: rabbidrabbit on October 04, 2009, 09:19:03 AM
See Rule #4
Title: Re: A true ace and hero
Post by: Anaxogoras on October 04, 2009, 09:25:19 AM
See Rule #4

What a pathetic troll.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man_fallacy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man_fallacy)
Title: Re: A true ace and hero
Post by: rabbidrabbit on October 04, 2009, 09:44:19 AM
Your own words cupcake.  What other meaning could they have?
Title: Re: A true ace and hero
Post by: Anaxogoras on October 04, 2009, 09:59:16 AM
Your own words cupcake.  What other meaning could they have?

If you're going to insult me, then I have no business talking to you.
Title: Re: A true ace and hero
Post by: rabbidrabbit on October 04, 2009, 10:14:24 AM
What a pathetic troll.


If you're going to insult me, then I have no business talking to you.

Nice pattern of arrogantly demeaning others yet being unable to counter the actual point.  I guess that's easier than admitting I'm right.  Feel free to get in the last word.  You can't help yourself.