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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: The Grinch on September 27, 2009, 07:39:12 AM
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(http://www.timesonline.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00095/clostermann_95700a.jpg)
Pierre Clostermann
French fighter ace whose skill daring made him a feared opponent in the skies over occupied Europe
His plane is a Tempest :salute
He all so flew the Spitfire :salute
Check his kills :salute
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anybody can get kills in a Tempest or Spits :devil
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What a noob :rofl
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easy moder
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The French fought? :rofl :rofl
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The French fought? :rofl :rofl
ROFLMAO...can't be touching their croissants.
If he flew a Tempest, then most of those "kills" were ground vulches...not the same as an airborne fighter.
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Probably got the luftwaffe while they were laughing at seeing a french man flying...
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You all could read one of his storys from the war.
f.eks. Hunt for Bismarck.
Sorry that you people that don't know, its not your foul.
Im from Norway, that country that he flew in when he found the boat. I know my country war history and our allied
that fought side by side my countrymen.
If you dont have any clue what you are gonna write about, so dont.
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anybody can get kills in a Tempest or Spits :devil
What a noob :rofl
easy moder
The French fought? :rofl :rofl
ROFLMAO...can't be touching their croissants.
If he flew a Tempest, then most of those "kills" were ground vulches...not the same as an airborne fighter.
Probably got the luftwaffe while they were laughing at seeing a french man flying...
You know, it's one thing to smack talk someone in the game because you don't approve of what they fly, but to apply the same standards to anyone who contributed to most of Europe not speaking German today is appalling and shows just how far we, as a society, have slipped.
No regards for ignorance and disrespect,
Hammer
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jeeze it was a joke.
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There is no humor allowed in The O'Club.
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You know, it's one thing to smack talk someone in the game because you don't approve of what they fly, but to apply the same standards to anyone who contributed to most of Europe not speaking German today is appalling and shows just how far we, as a society, have slipped.
No regards for ignorance and disrespect,
Hammer
Hammer, well said. Good man, both you and him.
:salute
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jeeze it was a joke.
No it wasn't. It was a slight against a real warrior and a whole nation. And, no, it wasn't funny; French jokes were old in 2003.
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french joke? "cut da board tree times...still too short." :D
I am half french...better then being polish :rofl
no offense to any polish J/K
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See Rule #4
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No.
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No.
well obviously, you cant.
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Any other war heroes you'd like to make fun of?
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See Rule #4
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Making jokes in a thread named "A true ace and hero" and telling me I don't have a clue... Ok. Yeah, have a nice weekend... even if it's already Monday in most parts of the world.
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:eek:
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First of all, <S> to the pilot. Wiki'ied him and found some great information.
And second, is it that big of a deal to call someone out over a joke? Where they probably didn't mean any disrespect to the pilot?
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No it's not really a big deal. Just gets tiresome.
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blah blah and whaaaaa............ people including myself enjoyed some light humor
no disrespect was intended with the jokes...... Im sure he was a great pilot
btw....... he didnt fly for France....... they rejected him....... imagine that (he learned to fly in the US and flew for the RAF)
and also his kills on the side of his plane were not accurate by ANY account
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Read his book - "The Big Show" amazing story.
His uniform hangs in the Smithsonian.
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blah blah and whaaaaa............ people including myself enjoyed some light humor
no disrespect was intended with the jokes...... Im sure he was a great pilot
btw....... he didnt fly for France....... they rejected him....... imagine that (he learned to fly in the US and flew for the RAF)
and also his kills on the side of his plane were not accurate by ANY account
You want to try again with that?
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try again with what? the first time was very clear
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You know, it's one thing to smack talk someone in the game because you don't approve of what they fly, but to apply the same standards to anyone who contributed to most of Europe not speaking German today is appalling and shows just how far we, as a society, have slipped.
No regards for ignorance and disrespect,
Hammer
oh no, its the fun police
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See Rule #4
In :noid
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try again with what? the first time was very clear
But inaccurate. He learned to fly in South America before the war. Did not get into the French Air Force. Got his Commercial License in the US and then trained with the RAF. He was with the Free French in England, serving first with 341 Squadron which was Free French. I suggest tracking down a copy of the "Mouchotte Diaries" if you want a better look at the Free French Spit drivers, or you could read Clostermann's book "The Big Show". He later went to 602 Squadron with Jacques Remlinger where he flew Spit Vs, VIIs and IXs on ops from 42-44 before coming off Ops post D-Day. He went back on Ops flying Tempests
As for the disparity in kills, like many of the Aces there has always been questions. Ground kills are marked as were air to air. Some were shared kills.
That he served his country honorably, flew a lot of combat hours in Spits and Tempests, and was an ace are not in question.
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Pierre Clostermann was a Free French fighter ace whose incredible account of the air war over Britain and France has become one of the most famous memoirs of the Second World War. Over the course of five years Clostermann engaged in hundreds of dog-fights, shot down scores of Luftwaffe planes, escorted American bombers on some of the most dangerous raids of the war, and watched many of his friends falling to their deaths in the skies over the Channel. The Big Show contains everything one could wish for in a war memoir: wonderfully observed descriptions of wartime Britain, frighteningly evocative stories of in-the-cockpit action, an amazing cast of characters, and all the drama and bravery of a man fighting a desperate war thousands of feet above the ground. An undeniable classic. This edition has been updated by the author with new material and previously unseen photographs
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S!
A real warrior, as die hard said.
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blah blah and whaaaaa............ people including myself enjoyed some light humor
no disrespect was intended with the jokes...... Im sure he was a great pilot
btw....... he didnt fly for France....... they rejected him....... imagine that (he learned to fly in the US and flew for the RAF)
and also his kills on the side of his plane were not accurate by ANY account
FFS no-one would tolerate anyone pulling the piss out of Gabby Gabreski, Bud Anderson, Chuck Yeager's, or a hundred other real flyers war record - why should there be any tolerance for this guy?
Have a good look at yourself
Tronsky
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plus ça change ...
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/plus_%C3%A7a_change,_plus_c%27est_la_m%C3%AAme_chose
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You know, it's one thing to smack talk someone in the game because you don't approve of what they fly, but to apply the same standards to anyone who contributed to most of Europe not speaking German today is appalling and shows just how far we, as a society, have slipped.
No regards for ignorance and disrespect,
Hammer
:aok
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First of all, <S> to the pilot. Wiki'ied him and found some great information.
And second, is it that big of a deal to call someone out over a joke? Where they probably didn't mean any disrespect to the pilot?
Ah...
place where anybody can write anything and claim it as truth
WIKIPEDIA
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Pierre Clostermann was a Free French fighter ace whose incredible account of the air war over Britain and France has become one of the most famous memoirs of the Second World War. Over the course of five years Clostermann engaged in hundreds of dog-fights, shot down scores of Luftwaffe planes, escorted American bombers on some of the most dangerous raids of the war, and watched many of his friends falling to their deaths in the skies over the Channel. The Big Show contains everything one could wish for in a war memoir: wonderfully observed descriptions of wartime Britain, frighteningly evocative stories of in-the-cockpit action, an amazing cast of characters, and all the drama and bravery of a man fighting a desperate war thousands of feet above the ground. An undeniable classic. This edition has been updated by the author with new material and previously unseen photographs
I've never read anything about him personally. I'll have to check it out. Always looking for a good read on the air war.
As for escorting bombers..... from my reading the spits were notoriously short legged. I'll have to checkout the books. <S>
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Ah...
place where anybody can write anything and claim it as truth
WIKIPEDIA
Yes, but generally, you can find good accurate information. I did a quick search, I could probably find the same information I found on wiki on many other websites.
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I've never read anything about him personally. I'll have to check it out. Always looking for a good read on the air war.
As for escorting bombers..... from my reading the spits were notoriously short legged. I'll have to checkout the books. <S>
his book is not really accurate but very thrilling and imersive
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FFS no-one would tolerate anyone pulling the piss out of Gabby Gabreski, Bud Anderson, Chuck Yeager's, or a hundred other real flyers war record - why should there be any tolerance for this guy?
Have a good look at yourself
Tronsky
they flew runstangs.
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I am so tired of cliche jokes about the French I get nauseous from the lack of originality and ignorance. The only thing that cures it is reading Voltaire and about American evacuations of Vietnam and Beirut.
Ah...
place where anybody can write anything and claim it as truth
WIKIPEDIA
More ignorance...
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You all could read one of his storys from the war.
f.eks. Hunt for Bismarck.
Sorry that you people that don't know, its not your foul.
Im from Norway, that country that he flew in when he found the boat. I know my country war history and our allied
that fought side by side my countrymen.
If you dont have any clue what you are gonna write about, so dont.
Read "The Big Show" by him. It's a good read.
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I am so tired of cliche jokes about the French I get nauseous from the lack of originality and ignorance. The only thing that cures it is reading Voltaire and about American evacuations of Vietnam and Beirut.
More ignorance...
You could also try cutting down on coffee.
My comment wasn't about France.
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Oh, I know. But what you claimed about Wikipedia is an absolute falsehood. I think there's plenty of good criticisms of Wikipedia's epistemological standards, but spreading falsehoods like "anyone can write anything" does no one any good.
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I've never read anything about him personally. I'll have to check it out. Always looking for a good read on the air war.
As for escorting bombers..... from my reading the spits were notoriously short legged. I'll have to checkout the books. <S>
Spits covered the bombers as far as they could. Closterman talks about some of the first use of 90 gallon slipper tanks on their Spits to try and extend the escort range. In general the Spits would cover the bombers in, hand off to the Jugs, 38s and later the Mustangs, and then cover the bombers on the way out.
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There is no humor allowed in The O'Club.
Lmao
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Spits covered the bombers as far as they could. Closterman talks about some of the first use of 90 gallon slipper tanks on their Spits to try and extend the escort range. In general the Spits would cover the bombers in, hand off to the Jugs, 38s and later the Mustangs, and then cover the bombers on the way out.
That is what I have read <S>
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You know, it's one thing to smack talk someone in the game because you don't approve of what they fly, but to apply the same standards to anyone who contributed to most of Europe not speaking German today is appalling and shows just how far we, as a society, have slipped.
No regards for ignorance and disrespect,
Hammer
I have to agree with the above comment. It's one thing to poke fun at people in a simulator. It's an entirely different thing to slap people who defended against an impeding evil.
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Lmao
What did he just say? :noid
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What did he just say? :noid
Sorry, chairrman, it shall not happen again. For all future humor-seekers, see rule # 3,743,534 section 4-c.
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Nope, not the French citizen only some "politics" and "artist" do.
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Y'all can joke in the game all you want, from one player to another. However, respect is due when it comes to people in the real world that contributed to the cause of freedom by sweat and blood. There's a line where joke should stop, and for me that's where I draw.
Best regard from Iraq,
Yenny
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What a pathetic troll. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man_fallacy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man_fallacy)
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Your own words cupcake. What other meaning could they have?
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Your own words cupcake. What other meaning could they have?
If you're going to insult me, then I have no business talking to you.
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What a pathetic troll.
If you're going to insult me, then I have no business talking to you.
Nice pattern of arrogantly demeaning others yet being unable to counter the actual point. I guess that's easier than admitting I'm right. Feel free to get in the last word. You can't help yourself.