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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Jochen on April 11, 2000, 05:15:00 AM
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I can't decide wether I want Fw 190A-5 or Fw 190F-8 to be modeled for next Wulf!
A-5 would be very good for air combat. Our A-8 don't quite have the climb or turning capability of A-5.
F-8 would be very good for ground attacks. Our A-8 don't quite have the armament choises of F-8. 8 X 50 kg bombs would suppress acks quite long time (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Of course G-8 would be ok too, capacity to carry 3 X 250 kg boms sounds quite nice in this M 16 infested world (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
(http://www.totavia.com/~ACybriw/aviapix/Fighters/Fw190/fw190f.gif)
(http://www.totavia.com/~ACybriw/aviapix/Fighters/Fw190/fw190g.gif)
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jochen
Geschwaderkommodore
Jagdgeschwader 2 'Richthofen' (http://personal.inet.fi/cool/jan.nousiainen/JG2) (Warbirds)
jochen
JG 2 'Richthofen' (Aces High)
If you ever get across the sea to England,
Then maybe at the closing of the day
The bars will all be serving German lager
Which means we won the war - hip hip hooray!
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50kg bombs would be effective against M16, and probably the Panzer if you get a direct hit.
Remember G-8 can carry four of these on the centerline with the adapter. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
I think any of these planes would be fun to have.
F-8 and G-8 are probably the easiest to do because they are identical to A-8 other than the armament.
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F-8 and G-8 are probably the easiest to do because they are identical to A-8 other than the armament.
Yep, new skin is needed and deletion of outboard MG 151/20's. I think those two cowl MG 131's were sometimes removed too to save weight, but maybe that could be an option? Certainly there is many bomb configurations to be done and Panzerblitz would be nice too!
If HTC sends me old A-8 texture I can modify it for F or G model for free! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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jochen
Geschwaderkommodore
Jagdgeschwader 2 'Richthofen' (http://personal.inet.fi/cool/jan.nousiainen/JG2) (Warbirds)
jochen
JG 2 'Richthofen' (Aces High)
If you ever get across the sea to England,
Then maybe at the closing of the day
The bars will all be serving German lager
Which means we won the war - hip hip hooray!
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Well...........in my book the choise is easy: gotta be the A5.Allthough it seems the A8 has got a little lift in its in-close-dogfighting capabilities with the new flaps lift, its still a long cry from what I'd imagine the A5 would be capable of, tales and all.
The A8 will fare rather well as is in a historical context, but in the MA its defensive capabilities simply isnt good enough: risk of getting killed simply is too great, in my book.
danish
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Just testing my new sig, feel free to join the campaign! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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jochen
Geschwaderkommodore
Jagdgeschwader 2 'Richthofen' (http://personal.inet.fi/cool/jan.nousiainen/JG2) (Warbirds)
jochen
JG 2 'Richthofen' (Aces High)
I want to believe! Fw 190F-8 / G-8 / A-5 to Aces High!
If you ever get across the sea to England,
Then maybe at the closing of the day
The bars will all be serving German lager
Which means we won the war - hip hip hooray!
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I definitely vote for the A4-A5 variant. I think that a well modeled A-5 will have a big impact in the arena, especially now with dogfights getting lower ....
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LOL Jochen, hehe, I want to believe! Thanks for chuckle!
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While I would certainly love to see either/both of these aircraft, and yes even the Dora (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) I gotta make my point as I do in all these threads.
How models/variants of German Fighters do we already have? Five isn't it?
How many Japanese or Russian aircraft do we have? One a piece.
I just think we need to round out the other countries a little before we put anymore American or German aircraft into the game.
Otherwise Bring em on (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Would love to see them.
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
Carpe Jugulum
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"
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Going to have to agree with Verm on this one. We need another Japanese or Russian plane. I'm voting for a Japanese Ki-84 (Frank) however I think the next Japanese aircraft will be a Zero.
Spritle
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More Russian stuff is sorely needed. Their AF was much bigger than RAF, Italian AF, Japanese, etc. but they only get one plane here so far.
I'm surprised we're getting another IJN plane. I thought an IJAAF plane would have been neat.
However as long as the planes keep coming, all the little birds in the nest shall be fed. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Ok Verm,
Bring the Yak-9T to Aces High! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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How about a "Tony"???
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Liz
"Their are only two types of aircraft-fighters and targets"
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Verm, as you know I agree with you in the russian lack of planes. But I still disagree with you in that LW has 5 planes. So far the only real competitive planes are the 109G2 and G10, so 190 lovers have to drive the heavyweight buffer killer (AKA fw190A8 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)).
I know Fw190A5 is coming and I am waiting for it with open arms, but we need something better, competitive over 15K. We need a 190D9, or (better) a Ta152. Of course I agree that russian planeset needs more planes, and japanese too (zero incoming (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)), but to say that germans have too many planes is to be a bit unfair.
Jochen, fer me the choice is simple, Fw190D9 (I already give the Ta152 as a plane that will never see the light in AH).A5 is good plane, better than A8, but still not enough.
And yes I'd love to see ground attack variants of Fw190 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) would be WONDERFUL (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) but I want D9 first...hehehe (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Ram, out
Fw190D9? Ta152H1? The truth is out there
JG2 "Richthofen" (http://www.busprod.com/weazel2/)
(http://www.busprod.com/weazel2/images/Ram.gif)
[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 04-11-2000).]
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Several points...
Fw 190F-8, G-8 or A-5 would be ready with minor tweaking of 2D skin and armament options. Fw 190D or let alone Ta 152 need quite a bit rework in 3D model section and it takes considerable more time. And if you compare effort put to build a variant with minor differencies to a completely new model, well, time difference is quite huge I bet.
There were only two fighters for Lufwaffe, 109 and 190. After the base model is created, rest of the variants can be modeled quite easily. Maybe this is why Lufwaffe seems to have most planes. And I bet that Lufwaffe fighter planeset is the first to be almost completed.
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jochen
Geschwaderkommodore
Jagdgeschwader 2 'Richthofen' (http://personal.inet.fi/cool/jan.nousiainen/JG2) (Warbirds)
jochen
JG 2 'Richthofen' (Aces High)
I want to believe! Fw 190F-8 / G-8 / A-5 to Aces High!
If you ever get across the sea to England,
Then maybe at the closing of the day
The bars will all be serving German lager
Which means we won the war - hip hip hooray!
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Fw 190F-8 and G-8 are no more different from the A-8 than the rocket-armed Typhoon is different from a clean Typhoon.
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But Jochen, the La7 isn't anymore of a "tweaking" of an existing model (the La5), than your example.
And if they produce a Yak-9U, then you can do all the Yak-9 variants from early war thru the very end. It had almost as many, or more, variants than any other aircraft that comes to mind.
Sorry but that doesn't hold up, in my opinon, as a reason to produce a bunch more German aircraft when the rest of the planeset is so lacking.
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
Carpe Jugulum
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"
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Being a dedicated 190A8 pilot, if we receive a 190A5 I'll surelly get an inmediate heart attack. If this is Dora instead A5, I'll need psychiatric assistance for years.
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Verm - La-7 was a total redesign of the La-5FN, replacing wood structure with metal. They may look similar but they are not the same at all.
As I said above, the only difference between F-8, G-8, and A-8 is weapons mounting and external stores.
Apples and Oranges.
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Oh I know, Funked (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I was speaking in terms of exterior changes (visually), and changes to the flight models. My point being that making a "variant" of the La-5fn, ie the La-7, would involved a similar amount of work as making a 190A5, from the existing 190A8 model.
Both would involve new skins and slight changes to armament. The 190 would need a weight change, and the La7 would need a change in drag and small change to weight. Both should actually be fairly easy too do.
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
Carpe Jugulum
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"
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I sure hope we get a winter-camo 190 at some point. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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As I said above, the only difference between F-8, G-8, and A-8 is weapons mounting and external stores.
Correct. This in my opinion is easiest way for expanding planeset, only new camo and armament options tweaking is required. Maybe 3D work for ETC 50 racks to wings and possibly ER 4 rack in center hardpoint. These would give us dedicated ground attack plane like Typhoon but with minimal work.
In my opinion after we get Fw 190A-5, Fw 190F-8 and Fw 190D-9 Lufwaffe fighter planeset is very much completed apart from early Bf 109E. All those Wulf's can be done with minor tweaking to our A-8.
Of course there is other planes that we need but I jsut liked to point out that this is easy way to expand planeset.
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jochen
Geschwaderkommodore
Jagdgeschwader 2 'Richthofen' (http://personal.inet.fi/cool/jan.nousiainen/JG2) (Warbirds)
jochen
JG 2 'Richthofen' (Aces High)
I want to believe! Fw 190F-8 / G-8 / A-5 to Aces High!
If you ever get across the sea to England,
Then maybe at the closing of the day
The bars will all be serving German lager
Which means we won the war - hip hip hooray!
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Yak-9 and Ki-61 would help round out the Russian and Japanese plane sets.
MiG
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Yak-9 and Ki-61 would help round out the Russian and Japanese plane sets.
MiG