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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Getback on October 01, 2009, 02:44:45 AM
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I was in heck, I forgot which arena, just say blue. There seemed to be issues but not real major. I couldn't hit nothing. So I logged and deleted my AV. Then I went to orange. Didn't have any trouble whatsoever and landed a few kills. Also, in the last week or so I noticed I had been shooting rubber bullets. I would hit a con pretty good only too watch him fly away. Happened a bunch last Friday. Didn't seem to have trouble after. Now I've installed Nod32. So I hope that is better than Avast which NOD replaced.
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none of them are any good if you leave them running while playing
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How do I turn off Nod 32? Hopefully that's not a dumb question.
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From what I've heard, you can leave NOD on during game play, it's no where near as invasive as the other programs out there. Test it and see if it's true. :D
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You should be able to turn it off by clicking on the icon on your toolbar then click on "disable antivirus and antispyware protection". You will be asked if you are sure click yes.
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To be more precise, right-click the NOD32 icon then click, "Disable Antivirus and antispyware protection." That should do the trick. :D
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you don't need to turn nod off, it is good.
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To be more precise, right-click the NOD32 icon then click, "Disable Antivirus and antispyware protection." That should do the trick. :D
If he can't figure out it's a right click maybe he should leave it on. :D
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none of them are any good if you leave them running while playing
Neg Batched. I've been using the Smart Security Suite offered by NOD since Jan. It's footprint is smaller than most and you can leave it running while playing.
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footprint isnt the entire story......... activity is
I suppose its all in how your setup is but most offer an active scan which scans every file as its opened or accessed.........
in theory meaning if you come to a furball and AH suddenly has to load alot of skins or sounds..... your AV is going to scan each of those as they are accessed......
each time the AV scans something in the background its using the CPU......
cant help but wonder with all these people who complain about serious lag hits if the 2 arent related
no reason whatsoever to need your AV running while playing the game..... so why should it be?
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footprint isnt the entire story......... activity is
I suppose its all in how your setup is but most offer an active scan which scans every file as its opened or accessed.........
in theory meaning if you come to a furball and AH suddenly has to load alot of skins or sounds..... your AV is going to scan each of those as they are accessed......
each time the AV scans something in the background its using the CPU...... cant help but wonder with all these people who complain about serious lag hits if the 2 arent related
no reason whatsoever to need your AV running while playing the game..... so why should it be?
My PC has no problem running Vista Ultimate 64, AH2 (Hi-Res, maxed sliders), A/V, WMP 11 and surfing the internet with absolutely no lag. I keep it at the default setting when I installed Smart Security. My ping is 38 from AT&T. I use 6mb U-Verse internet.
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If you're worried about games you can always add the games to the AV exclusion list so they won't touch it.
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NOD32, Norton 2009 and 2010, and a few others have an automatic "game mode."
The software senses when other software is running in full-screen mode, such as when playing a game or a DVD, and goes into "don't touch the CPU Mode" automatically. This mode can really make a difference.
-Llama
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Im going to be ill now that you once again bring any Norton version into a legitimate AV conversation
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The problem with any AV program allowed to be a watchdog over Aces High, or any online game for that matter, is the fact they can destroy legitimate game data because the data pattern might match a virus. As more and more viruses are added to the databases, the chances of a game data packet being mangled increases.
Yes, most AV programs will allow you to configure them to not snoop on game data or application packets, but for most, it is a manual configuration item. Simply means that 99% of the users will never configure it. I say that based on how many people a day I deal with who will not configure the game to run better on their computer but will complain about how bad the game runs on their computer.
In many applications, the language used references things the end user may not understand. We (HTC) are probably thought to be that way as well. Then again, there are many people who have no idea how to copy a file on their computer and find all the terminology involved to much to deal with.
Then there are applications like Norton which can get in a state where it will completely ignore any configuration options. I cannot count how many times I have had a user have to remove Norton from their computer in order for them to get online in Aces High. It would not disable, it would not stop monitoring the game. No amount of flipping options did anything. Norton plus Vista seems to have brought these *features* to new highs.
Then there are all the false triggers game data can bring to the party. I cannot count how many accounts we have lost because of this. "Your game is trying to give my computer a virus!!" Hard to blame the end user for this. They think their AV program is doing its job.
From my side of the fence, AV programs are a nightmare.
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quit using av back in 2002. no probs.
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From what I've heard, you can leave NOD on during game play, it's no where near as invasive as the other programs out there. Test it and see if it's true. :D
I leave NOD32 running when I play.
But I never it anything anyway so..
;)
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I have nod 32 set to Gamming and not a problem. There is a write up on how to do it. I guess most people like Skuzzy said just don't bother and leave things as is.
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quit using av back in 2002. no probs.
ahahaha and I wonder how much spam your pc has been sending out since then?
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Oh come on now Vulcan. Don't assume the worst.
I have never used an AV program and yet my computer(s) never seem to have any troubles at all.
Besides, an AV program is only as good as its last update. Between updates it is actually easier for most people to end up with a virus because they have been lulled into a false sense of security.
I am not advocating people do not use them. Most people need them on their computer, but no one should assume their computer is safe from viral infections.
My approach is to assume everything is a virus and treat it that way until I am comfortable it is not. Getting to that comfort level requires some tests to be performed.
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With the number of background self install trojans embedded in "legitimate websites" these days, there is no way I would run a system without some sort of protection. When I was doing a lot of anti-virus/anti-spyware testing for work, I saw stuff coming from what should have been nearly bullet proof sites...places people visit daily...all it takes is one infected link and you're hosed.
Nothing is 100% but if you don't do a lot of random web surfing, use only web based email and never use torrent or p2p systems...you can get away with not using an anti-virus/anti-spyware program...then again, not many people are like that.
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I did not say I did not have any protection. The easiest way to avoid getting anything from any WEB site is to properly configure Windows "Internet Options". Specifically the "Security" and "Advanced" settings.
When you shut down the delivery mechanisms it is difficult to get a virus transfered to your computer. Most people would go nuts if they had to use my computer to do anything Internet related.
As I spend very little time on the Internet at all it does not bother me. I see the Internet as a cess pool. I really do not want to wade into it unless I absolutely have no choice.
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With the number of background self install trojans embedded in "legitimate websites" these days, there is no way I would run a system without some sort of protection.
Yes there is, it's called linux.
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Yes there is, it's called linux.
:rofl :lol Ok you got me on that one...hehehe
But there are over 800 known viruses for Linux...you just have to help them infect your system, unlike Windows.
I see the Internet as a cess pool. I really do not want to wade into it unless I absolutely have no choice.
I agree...but sometimes it's fun to wade in the poop just to see what's under the surface.
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I've NEVER had a virus on ANY PC I've owned. But, ESET is worth the money, for the gains and performance alone.
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I've NEVER had a virus on ANY PC I've owned. But, ESET is worth the money, for the gains and performance alone.
The scary thing about Windows viruses is that the best ones go hidden. You can use your computer forever and never know you're infected unless you scan your network activity or computer (or both). I'm starting to think Microsoft is slowly losing its stand due to the security problems. I know I've limited my windows use to a minimum (gaming).
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Besides, an AV program is only as good as its last update. Between updates it is actually easier for most people to end up with a virus because they have been lulled into a false sense of security.
Your knowledge of AV is a bit rusty skuzzy, most good AV now relies on behavioral analysis to address day zero stuff.
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Your knowledge of AV is a bit rusty skuzzy, most good AV now relies on behavioral analysis to address day zero stuff.
"Good" being the operative word. They also false trigger more. No telling how many customers we lose a day because of this. If programs were any good at all (not saying all of them are bad) at handling "day zero" viruses, there would not be a million, or so, sleeper computers being used on the net for various delivery systems. The bulk of those computers are OEM units running either Norton or Mcafee.
Mcafee still relies heavily on a database. Norton may, but I am not going to bother testing it.
As far as being rusty about AV programs. You are correct. I do not stay on top of them as I have no need for them. Never had a virus on my computer and I never will. I still consider Mcafee and Norton both to be worse than the viruses they are supposed to stop. I do take a peek at them once in a while to see how it impacts the game. They are getting worse, by the way.
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{snip} I still consider Mcafee and Norton both to be worse than the viruses they are supposed to stop. {snip}
I have a 17 year old that proves on a regular basis that no amount of AV will stop a determined effort to do stoopid. But I have to disagree that the AV programs are worse than the viruses - Vundo for example is just about impossible to clear without a format.
And I only wish it were a choice between the AV or viruses - but the truth is that it's often both - the worst infections I've ever seen have been on fully updated Norton installations.
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Ghastly, my Wife is the same way. I gave up trying to do anything to protect her computer. She even managed to get viruses passed Eset's stuff. She just figured the AV software would protect her computer and never gave a thought about doing anything more to protect her computer. She often asked why were paying for something that did not work. To some degree, she had a point.
I just isolated her computer on the LAN and when it gets a virus, I reformat and re-install the OS. I find the more often it has to be done, the more time goes by before it has to be done again. Re-installing the OS is quite a bit faster than trying to clean up the mess.
Recently she started asking about configuring her computer like mine, a little at a time. I might win this war yet.
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Why don't you move the kid/wife to linux? All the female stuff (powerpoints full of puppies and flowers etc.) are linux compatible and safe to view through it. Same goes for general websites.
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I have a 17 year old that proves on a regular basis that no amount of AV will stop a determined effort to do stoopid. But I have to disagree that the AV programs are worse than the viruses - Vundo for example is just about impossible to clear without a format.
So is Norton BTW
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"Good" being the operative word. They also false trigger more. No telling how many customers we lose a day because of this. If programs were any good at all (not saying all of them are bad) at handling "day zero" viruses, there would not be a million, or so, sleeper computers being used on the net for various delivery systems. The bulk of those computers are OEM units running either Norton or Mcafee.
Mcafee still relies heavily on a database. Norton may, but I am not going to bother testing it.
As far as being rusty about AV programs. You are correct. I do not stay on top of them as I have no need for them. Never had a virus on my computer and I never will. I still consider Mcafee and Norton both to be worse than the viruses they are supposed to stop. I do take a peek at them once in a while to see how it impacts the game. They are getting worse, by the way.
Herein lies another problem, the corporate versions are heads and shoulders above the retail versions.
The bulk of those zombies running OEM mcafee or norton are probably expired licenses :) . This is another problem, stupid users, the AV vendors respond to dumb users by dumbing down their AV, no matter what they do the users come up with stupider things to do.
For the AV vendors its a war on two fronts, on one side you have virus writers, on the other dumb users :) . Look at the supposedly bullet proof OS X, now they have anti-malware code in snow leopard, and there's a bot net out there. Nothing is idiot proof.
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Vulcan, you are preaching to the choir. No argument from me.
Why don't you move the kid/wife to linux? All the female stuff (powerpoints full of puppies and flowers etc.) are linux compatible and safe to view through it. Same goes for general websites.
I let her drive Linux for a bit and she complained to no end about how she could not sync her phone to her apps, and a few other tidbits which Linux is still lacking.
She said she would rather put up with the viruses.
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The last virus I got was when the Blaster worm first hit the market. The last spyware was a little while after that.
I'm tellin' ya; properly set up router firewall, separate Windows partition, FireFox, NoScript, and AdBlockPlus. Plus, an online-email system like GMail. Nothing gets through unless I want it to.
Because of one of the threads around here (this one?) I just recently started using COMODO for the heck of it. There is a noticeable drop in game performance, but I'll tweak with it. It didn't pick up anything other than false positives during two scans on my four-year-old data, nor did ESET's online scanner or Kasperky(sp?) a while back.
Plus, I'm a teenager. ... *cough*
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I just recently started using COMODO for the heck of it.
Wow, talk about great timing. I didn't even get around to tweaking it yet and it decided to give me this awesome 15+ minute 100% CPU usage burn-in test, for free! Was so thorough that I had to nuke it from orbit (safe mode). So much for that.