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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Noah17 on October 01, 2009, 06:57:08 AM
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Is it me or is the new PT a little more deadly? Maybe too much?
Maybe it's just sour grapes on my part but while chasing an F4U over the beach and after hitting him solidly 3 times with my 6 .50's at or near my convergence range (he keeps flying! Why?!) I get raked over by a PT just off the beach. I watched the film afterwards and the PT is steady shooting... Do they have a limit on how many rounds they have? They just kept coming... I only got hit by it once but it took off both elevators of my F4U.....Jeez.
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Part of the PT upgrade was infinite rounds for all its guns and a laser tracking system :D
Seriously though... they are killers if you aren't paying attention. Either keep clear, or take them out. Don't get dragged over one.
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When firing all guns, the PT is firing 4 x .50 cal, a 20mm, a 37mm, and a 40mm. That's pretty a pretty potent combination. I just wish the 37mm could be de-coupled from the group.
Regards,
Hammer
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Holy Hannah!!!!!!!!!!!!
:mad:
That is too much firepower all at once.... Not goin near one ever again..... I fight planes....
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I didn't go near PT boats BEFORE the update, so doesn't make much difference to me.
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Yup, the PT boat sure did have a great makeover- they are not to be taken lightly. Expect more use out of them now in the Main Arenas.
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No,it isnt overmodelled. We already have had the flak tanks nerfed, dont need the pt's as well ty. I respect PT boats a lot more these days (when attacking them) and thats a good thing.
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They don't have infinite rounds but they do have a lotta rounds and continuous fire.
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You attack PT boat....pt boat NEVER slowly sinks, it ALways explodes....while YOU fall to ground in pieces, getting a kill on said pt boat (who gets NUThin, except the smug satisfaction that he PROBABLY kilt the attacking plane)
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Its just fine, leave it be.
Finish the smoke generator asap though.
Then your planes will fall like flys!
Put that in your pipe and smoke it! :)
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I've always had a healthy respect for the PT boats firepower.
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I just wish the 37mm could be de-coupled from the group.
Regards,
Hammer
You can just jump in the gun of choice & press F on your key board. :aok
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I've always had a healthy respect for the PT boats firepower.
The B-25H will make the PT feel like its shooting bb's....
Strip
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The B-25H will make the PT feel like its shooting bb's....
Strip
You could say that about ANYTHING compared to the Pumpkin Chucker. :D
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The B-25H will make the PT feel like its shooting bb's....
Strip
And you don't even need a direct hit to take a PT out with the 75 mm. Got 3 PT boats with one shot last night, round landed right in the middle of them after they spawned and watched them all blow up. Poor guys never had a chance to fire back or even see what shot at them from d3.0 away
ack-ack
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Well figure.. PT boat gunners have an excellent view, virtually 360degrees... Enemy plane flies within range, every guy with something that shoots is going to open up..
Now it does... There ya go!!!
Still need something more substantial for naval warfare tho...
Like a Destroyer!!!
RC
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Like fish in a barrel!
:rock
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B-25H Huh????
I must get me one!!!!!
Now all PT's will feel my wrath!!!!! :t
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B-25H Huh????
I must get me one!!!!!
Now all PT's will feel my wrath!!!!! :t
Only if you use it right and have LOTS of practice with the proper gunsight. That said, you can pop the little buggers from 2 - 3k out easily. Just dont get greedy and try to fly in closer than that. The 25H is a flying schoolbus... nice, fat, slow moving target for anyone with AAA gunnery skills.
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THe 37mm on the bow is a cannon meant for ground fire, yes? All else is multi-purpose, iirc.
It would be nice to get that 37mm off of the grouped.
Also, to those who knee jerk the "too much firepower" response, please keep in mind that there are 3 different trajectories and velocities between the 50 cals, 20mm, and 40mm AA. Add in the 37mm and it is very much like a duck boat filled with 4 drunken hunters with a revolver, 5 shot .410 pump shotgun, a single shot 10 guage shotgun, and a M16 rifle. Sure, it might work.... might. ;) Lots of lead, but beware who is firing with what gun.
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You can just jump in the gun of choice & press F on your key board. :aok
You misunderstand. I would like the option to fire all the guns except the 37mm.
Regards,
Hammer
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I'd like to take out the 40mm myself. Save that one for anti-shipping work. :noid
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Part of the PT upgrade was infinite rounds for all its guns and a laser tracking system :D
Seriously though... they are killers if you aren't paying attention. Either keep clear, or take them out. Don't get dragged over one.
Yes they are. And those 30 and 40mm's can ruin you day :noid.
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I'd like to take out the 40mm myself. Save that one for anti-shipping work. :noid
+1 on that
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I'd like to take out the 40mm myself. Save that one for anti-shipping work. :noid
If it was on real PT boats then its staying on ours...
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From the grouping, not the boat. (http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff255/OOZ662/rolleyes.gif)
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Maybe too much?
no
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From the grouping, not the boat. (http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff255/OOZ662/rolleyes.gif)
+100 to that.
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dum question, but last time i was in a PT it seems that all the guns were uncoupled, ie..firing the 50cal resulted in only the 50 cal firing. not sure what I did to cause this.
thoughts?
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dum question, but last time i was in a PT it seems that all the guns were uncoupled, ie..firing the 50cal resulted in only the 50 cal firing. not sure what I did to cause this.
thoughts?
Could you have been hitting the secondary fire button?
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never mind........answered my own question. my button for that was remapped/mapped over.
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Did you all know the American Elco PT boats were based on a British Powerboat Company design?
Now a over gunned PT boat would be the Fairmile 'D' with 2 6pdr, a twin 20mm, 2 twin .50", 2 twin .303", 4 18" torpedo tubes, 2 depth charges. Some even had one of the 6pdrs replaced by a 4.5" gun.
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And you don't even need a direct hit to take a PT out with the 75 mm. Got 3 PT boats with one shot last night, round landed right in the middle of them after they spawned and watched them all blow up. Poor guys never had a chance to fire back or even see what shot at them from d3.0 away
ack-ack
Film or liez
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Hey can anyone here recomend a good plane to bust PT's?
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Hey can anyone here recomend a good plane to bust PT's?
something that carries rockets & is small....like an I-16 or FM2.
& just for the record: No, the PT boat does NOT have too much firepower. Like anything can have "too much" firepower in AH! :devil
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Hey can anyone here recomend a good plane to bust PT's?
IL2 naturally. Just come down vertical on it.
Mostly they are problems when a few PTs are together and firing like a big death star.
My other bet would be a big C-Hog, or a typhie if you are near land. Not only do they carry rockets but they have a lot of cannon. And 20mm cannon just chews them up. This has been my observations from sitting in PTs. I still dont know how to land them after getting kills. Ive spawned them on the other side of the map, with no enemy around for 30 sectors, stopped them, and still get the "you ditched" message. :huh
I dont really care cause I dont care about score. But I'd like to know.
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Hey can anyone here recomend a good plane to bust PT's?
B-25H is the best one. You can fire at the PT boats way outside of their effective gun range and you don't need to score a direct hit, just get close enough that the splash damage from the 75 mm round will take it out. The 75 mm cannon the B-25H is a one hit, one kill weapon against PT boats, none will survive a hit or a near hit by the cannon.
ack-ack
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Hopefully Ack-Ack is lying, because bullets and bombs aren't supposed to splash their damage when they hit the water...a bug, perhaps.
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Hopefully Ack-Ack is lying, because bullets and bombs aren't supposed to splash their damage when they hit the water...a bug, perhaps.
He's not lying. It's not the water spalsh that is doig the damage, it's the explosive splash.
wrongway
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"Aren't supposed to splash their damage," as in a anything other than a direct hit shouldn't deal damage to anything around it if it hits the water. That's the way it was supposed to be before AFAIK, at least.
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"Aren't supposed to splash their damage," as in a anything other than a direct hit shouldn't deal damage to anything around it if it hits the water. That's the way it was supposed to be before AFAIK, at least.
Think of it like a bomb or rocket near miss. It's still HE blowing up next to you. It happens on land too.
wrongway
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Yes, I know. But it isn't supposed to happen. Or so was the answer in 2003 and I haven't seen a change in that thought mentioned yet.
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Hopefully Ack-Ack is lying, because bullets and bombs aren't supposed to splash their damage when they hit the water...a bug, perhaps.
Hit near a LVT or PT boat, even a ship in the fleet (talking about a near hit, right next to the target) and it will receive damage just like a near hit does against ground vehicles. Maybe it is a bug, who knows but you can score a kill with a near hit.
I've seen the same with near hits from bombs, SB guns, and rockets.
ack-ack
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I must attest that the PT is more lethal only because every gun on the boat is slaved together. Just got in a PT-vs-PT/CV/Air fight and was smoking planes left and right.
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That's exactly what I'm saying....... Not many PT's qualified as ace's in WWII I'm sure.......
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That's exactly what I'm saying....... Not many PT's qualified as ace's in WWII I'm sure.......
And, conversely, not many PT's faced aircraft at all. I have a pic In a book of a PT with an aerial torpedo stuck in it's bow. Generally speaking, PT's were able to maneuver enough to make them difficult targets and attacking aircraft were wary about their defensive guns.
wrongway
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Hopefully Ack-Ack is lying, because bullets and bombs aren't supposed to splash their damage when they hit the water...a bug, perhaps.
Actually, bombs do cause spalsh damage when hitting in water in real life. I belive that even near misses from 500lb bombs could cause carriers to get leaks and pop seams....
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Wasn't talking about real life.
Also, those near misses would have to be almost touching the hull when they went off. See also depth charges.
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I've heard they could be as much as 100ft away to cause leaks. A single stick of TNT in the water creates enough preasure, along with the water transfering the shockwaves into your body, to kill a human, now imagine 1000lbs of TNT going off.....
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A 1000lb bomb carries less than 500lbs of explosives, and it isn't TNT. I believe it was Torpex, but that's coming from nowhere. Most often, 500lb or 250lb bombs were used.
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That's exactly what I'm saying....... Not many PT's qualified as ace's in WWII I'm sure.......
Generally Pts, in the war, avoided daylight and certainly other PTs and/or aircraft. If I remember right the German navy forbid their own motor boats from engaging other PTs. To them their S Boats were important assets to be used to sink large enemy combat ships, or, enemy freighters. Generally, in all navies, PT boats avoided daylight like Dracula. And night isn't something we have in the game so while fun I dont think the PT will ever achieve its potential in game play. I like to use them as additional flak for our CVs. Or as escorts for LVTs. Or, of course, to fling torpedoes at enemy ships.
I have found that it isn't worth it to conserve ammo against fighter cons. I stay pretty finger heavy with a few squirts at 2k to get my lead and by 1k to 1.5k I want to be on the plane with all guns firing. Best of all I like having a few PTs with me.
It was the Brits who mastered the art of near missing ships on purpose with rockets. I forget the distance they preferred to miss by but it was a deadly tactic against submarines and commercial shipping. Sinking PTs by near misses of rockets and/or big cannon is very accurate modeling.
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I would like to see a night FSO with PT boats.
To bad gamma would probably be used....
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Really? a 1000lb bomb has like 500lbs of metal and crap along with the explosives? Well whatever, 500lbs is still a lot. Probably would have to be like 50 or 30 ft away then. And not only the shock, but water may cause bombs to burst close to the surface, allowing fragmets to do damage.
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Depth charges have been known to cause lethal damage to submerged vessels out past 100 yards.....
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OK, so point is shells and boms SHOULD cause splash damage. Closing of that one for us strip, and Rich....