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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Nath-BDP on August 09, 2000, 11:09:00 AM
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Some nice pics from the book I just received "Dornier 335 Arrow" isbn 0-914144-52-9
(I'm not asking for this plane in AH just sharing its beauty)
(http://pobox2.zyan.com/~nath/Do335a.jpg)
(http://pobox2.zyan.com/~nath/Do335b.jpg)
The above pic shows how tall the Do 335s landing gear was -- a 6 ft man could walk under the wing without crouching.
(http://pobox2.zyan.com/~nath/Do335c.jpg)
(http://pobox2.zyan.com/~nath/Do335d.jpg)
A restored Do 335 at Deutsches Museum in Munich, the aircraft was restored by Dornier in 1975.
(http://pobox2.zyan.com/~nath/Do335e.jpg)
(http://pobox2.zyan.com/~nath/Do335es.jpg)
Do 335's ejection seat.
(http://pobox2.zyan.com/~nath/Do335flight.jpg)
Do 335 V1 prototype in flight.
(http://pobox2.zyan.com/~nath/Do335cockpitb.jpg)
(http://pobox2.zyan.com/~nath/Do335cockpitc.jpg)
(http://pobox2.zyan.com/~nath/Do335cockpitdia.jpg)
(http://pobox2.zyan.com/~nath/Do335f.jpg)
(http://pobox2.zyan.com/~nath/Do335g.jpg)
(http://pobox2.zyan.com/~nath/Do335h.jpg)
Took my an hour to do all this, enjoy. :)
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Kiitos.
I still think its one of the uglies aircraft ever built. Not as ugly as a Helldiver, but still VERY ugly. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Sisu
-Karnak
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Muhahah what a big target for my 8 50s (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Ohh did I mention several test pilots lost they hands when ejecting from this plane?
mx22
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n/m
How do you expect to catch a 477 mph + aircraft in a P47? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
[This message has been edited by Nath-BDP (edited 08-09-2000).]
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Well when Do-335 gets int arena, I bet P47 series will be already upgraded to N, or preferably to M model. I don't recal their top speed from top of my head, but it's not that much lower, so all I'll need is couple of K above you (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Ohh yes, I want HTC model pilots ejecting with their hands ripped off. What an effective score stopper, no need to strafe shutes (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
mx22
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Start saving those Perk Points boys and girls. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
popeye
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How many combat sorties were flown in Do-335's in WWII?
ra
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As I said I'm not asking for this plane to be in AH :P
But it outran Tempests, 51s and a few other Allied planes on the deck :P
[This message has been edited by Nath-BDP (edited 08-09-2000).]
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I'm with you Nath, its so ugly, its actually very cute. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Kinda like a ugly puppy.
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"
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I want it! But some of you think this thing is a dogfighter. <shakes head no> Sorry guys. this thing (and look at it) was meant to grab alt and knock down hig flying bombers. This aircrat would be dead meat for P-51H's and 47M's as all three had top speeds within a few mph of each other. But the 51 could turn and so coud the 47. This baby had very unstable flight characterisitcs from what I've read.
BTW, here is a scan of a painting of a DO-335 that is available from the artist himself. Never release, one of a kind..
(http://www.flos.clara.net/do33arrow.jpg)
-Westy
[This message has been edited by Westy (edited 08-09-2000).]
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hehe, that B model (Zerstorer)with 2x Mk 103s in the wings looks MEAN too!
Had the war lasted longer they would have been equipped with the Rheinmetall-Borsig MK 112, a 55 mm cannon which was basically an enlarged Mk 108, it fired a shell that weighed 3.3 lb, the weapon weighed 605 lb(!).
It fired at 300 rpm and had muzzle vel. of 1,950 fps. Only 10 examples were ever made.
(http://pobox2.zyan.com/~nath/Mk112.jpg)
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B model would rock. 3 x MK 103, 2 x MG 151, and 4 x 250 kb bombs if I recall correctly. Zerstorer from hell.
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Originally posted by Westy:
I want it! But some of you think this thing is a dogfighter. <shakes head no> Sorry guys. this thing (and look at it) was meant to grab alt and knock down hig flying bombers. This aircrat would be dead meat for P-51H's and 47M's as all three had top speeds within a few mph of each other. But the 51 could turn and so coud the 47. This baby had very unstable flight characterisitcs from what I've read.
BTW, here is a scan of a painting of a DO-335 that is available from the artist himself. Never release, one of a kind..
The Do 335 was originally designed as an all-weather and night fighter. Later variants were designated as Zerstorer or Night fighters.
Shortly after its first flight a Do 335 V9 prototype was delivered to the Luftwaffe experimental station at Rechlin, there test pilot Heinrich Beauvais, who had more experience testing German aircraft that anyone else attained a level speed in the V9 of 472 mph, it had remarkable acceleration, possessed excellent handling characteristics and was extremely maneuverable for its size. These tests were conducted with the DB 603 A-2 in both pusher and pull positions, later Do 335 versions had powerplants of 2 DB 603 E and propsitions for DB 603 E-1 and LA that never materialised.
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No Do 335s had provisions for bombs.
[This message has been edited by Nath-BDP (edited 08-09-2000).]
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What about the weapons bay on the A-0 and A-1? Also the A-1 was supposed to have wing hardpoints for bombs (although I have never seen any photos of this). Who wrote this book you have? I must have it!
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I bet you didn't know there was one flying.
(http://www.best.com/~ghethco/do335/Fdo335-coll.jpg)
http://www.best.com/~ghethco/do335/do335_proj.html (http://www.best.com/~ghethco/do335/do335_proj.html)
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BTW Zerstörer means Destroyer and was used for multi-engined fighters including fighter bombers, anti-bomber fighters, and night fighters.
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Dornier 335 Arrow isbn 0-914144-52-9
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Is it one of those modeler's books or is it historically oriented?
And you didn't answer my RC model photo troll.
And what do you know about the bomb bay. Do you know for sure that it wasn't used or do you just not have any information about it. I really want to know, I'm not just doing this to harrass you. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
[This message has been edited by funked (edited 08-10-2000).]
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A-1 had lower fuselage bay that was used for Mw 50 and photo recce cameras, there were Dornier built experimental bays to show how a 1000lb or 500lb could have be lifted into the bay and secured.
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Its a Monogram Monarch series, it details the history and development of the Do 335 inclduing a biography of Dr. Dornier and describes all the variants with performance, weight etc.
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Sounds good, I will buy it.
Also sounds like the Do 335 had "theoretical" bomber capability, kind of like the Me 262 did until they called Willy on his BS. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
[This message has been edited by funked (edited 08-10-2000).]
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Nath: I'm trying to figure out how the 470+ Do335 is supposed to outrun a P-47M doing 500... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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for the other topic regarding the Arrow.
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(http://pobox2.zyan.com/~nath/SturmJG3whitesofeyes.gif)
IV.(Sturm)/JG 3 "Udet"
[This message has been edited by Nath-BDP (edited 10-16-2000).]
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ra said:
> How many combat sorties were flown in Do-335's in WWII?
About the same as P-80's or P-51H's. Hundreds more COMBAT sorties were flown by RE2005's and even the S.I.A 207 wooden wonder had more, all three of them that equiped 3 Stormo C.T. at Clampino and Cerveteri in July of '43.
I like the Twin Mustang better for looks and range in the night-fighter role.
There is a lot of good info on the Dornier 335 in:
LUFTWAFFE TEST PILOT by Hans-Werner Lerche, Janes 1980
mc202
Dino in Reno
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I believe that japanese had same sort of push/pull type of airplane design also.
I should have picture somewhere..
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The Japanese had a pusher plane with a sweapt wing and forward cannards.
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Pongo Said
> The Japanese had a pusher plane with a sweapt wing and forward cannards.
Yep, the Kyushu J7W(1) Shinden. Two prototype birds, first flight in April (I think) 45. It had major flaws, vibrations from extended propshaft, torque related instability on takeoff, and general instability problems in flight.
The Ambrosini S.S.4 had a much more developed airframe and was the most sucessful canard of the war in useful flight "envelope". However it was underpowered with a 960 hp Isotta-Fraschini Asso XI R.C.40 engine, a type that was not fully developed. It used a dual canard to help with deep stall and pitch authority problems inherent in the canard design.
Good gun set for an Italian bird with one 30mm cannon and two 20mm cannon, all in the nose.
mc202
Dino in Reno
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punt
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Nice stuff Nath. I missed it the 1st time around, thanks for the punt.
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LJK_Raubvogel
LuftJägerKorps (http://www.luftjagerkorps.com)
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Nice post ty.
Brady
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Neat plane, should be modeled in AH.
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SnakeEyes
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Never saw combat
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Too bad huh? I'd like to fly this one but shouldn't by your defination of what should and shouldn't be allowed.
-Westy
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Heheh you're a smart guy westy--try reading the original post again, I no where in this topic said that the Do 335 should be in AH.
haha.
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re-read mine Nath. I neve said you said that.
-Westy
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Umm well if you were referring to SnakeEyes then you're wrong again... hes all for the Do 335 and anything that saw production before WW2 ended.
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AHH..cc Nath that is an excellent book (Love all the Monogram-Series books). Did you pick up the first volumes of the Me-262 series by the guys used to write for Monogram? Here's the link. They are excellent, as is the series on Luftwaffe colors (The JAGDWAFFE Series).
Classic-Books (http://www.classic-books.co.uk/)
Oh, btw, the book there on the Hs-129 is simply outstanding!
SD
[This message has been edited by Sundog (edited 10-29-2000).]
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I always thought that the Do-335 was a really interesting aircraft.
I wonder what kind of flight characteristics it had?
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure