Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: boomerlu on October 06, 2009, 01:36:05 AM
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Hey guys, I was wondering what happens with a FF stick when you have the trim setting on? I'm vaguely interested in getting one.
Could anybody give me a detailed description? The way I'm imagining it... if the airplane is out of trim and rolling to the right, the stick should apply force to the right (and so on for all other relevant axes). Is that accurate?
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The way it currently works the FFB stick is like a regular stick. The difference is that the force it takes to move the stick changes with your speed. This may not sound like much but it's a huge difference. You also feel the stall starting and the stall buffet as well as guns firing, damage buffet and impacts like hitting trees. In other sims changing trim moves the stick position and I'm hoping HTC will implement that also.
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Thanks for the info!
Mmm, that's a strike against getting an FFB stick though :(.
I was hoping the trim moved the stick. I don't really need or want the other "hand candy" except maybe the stall buffet - but then again I can detect it readily enough through the auditory warning.
To follow up a bit - how useful is the increased stick force at speed? Does it help you "feel" your speed?
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I should mention I'm talking about the Logitech G940. I have no idea how other FFB sticks work with AH. Since the stick supports trimmed position I expect HTC will eventually implement it. I'm hoping Hitech gets himself a G940 since that would likely increase his interest in expanding the FFB in AH. The best part of FFB for me is feeling the trim forces change as speed changes or G load changes. The stall vibration and stall buffet also add a lot. Even without trim changing stick position it's really nice to get away from spring centering. I can't say I fly better with it but it's definately more fun. I wish Logitech made FFB pedals too.
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Ok, thanks again, this is very helpful.
Regarding the G940 - Logitech has a pretty bad reputation as far as stick quality. How've you found your G940? Also, since it's a full flight system, is only the stick FFB?
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If you check the reviews on the G25 FFB wheel you'll find that the G series is high quality and the wheels, mine included, have held up very well since the product was launched. It seems like the stick is higher quality than my CH gear but time will tell. Nobody makes FFB pedals or throttle that I'm aware of.
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so would you say that the G940 setup is worth the money? Im looking into buying one sometime soon.
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My opinion is that it has no competition at this time.
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of course that could change by the time i get the money :furious
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Thanks for the info!
Mmm, that's a strike against getting an FFB stick though :(.
I was hoping the trim moved the stick. I don't really need or want the other "hand candy" except maybe the stall buffet - but then again I can detect it readily enough through the auditory warning.
To follow up a bit - how useful is the increased stick force at speed? Does it help you "feel" your speed?
A forceback stick is basically 2 big motors with cogs on them attached to the stick when they power on it centres the stick then you push against the motors when using the stick. I've read a few reviews and I doubt that the logitech stick will do what your thinking of it would make the stick very jerky to use.
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Ah, the good old days - with the original Logitech Wingman Force, FF really took flying to a new level. (Caveat, I was playing another sim then).
At high speeds with the force effects set on high, it really did nearly lock the stick up, and you had to exert a significant amount of force to move control surfaces, and you were able to E-fight an aircraft like nobodies business. You never overcontrolled, because you a real sense of how hard you were pushing the plane - and at high speeds, you could really tell you were pushing. In fact, it was almost dangerously strong - I had to defeat the interlock that caused the stick to drop all forces if it thought you took your hand off the stick because if you shifted your hand, it would drop from about 30 pounds of force to 0 instantly - and you could just about break fingers.
Trim worked extremely well in that if you were out of trim, you were fighting the stick forces constantly to get the aircraft to go where you wanted. You got the same sense as that described by WWII vets - which was that they'd come back with blisters from running the trim wheels so much. You could tell just by feel whether you were in trim or not, based on the stick pressures.
Unfortunately, when that stick broke, I was essentially done with FF - Logitech was no longer producing the Wingman Force, and the Force 3D was the absolute epitome of suck, and even the MS stick felt like a toy in comparison - not too mention being a frame rate sucker.
IMO, If this new stick is even 1/2 the stick the original was, it will be pretty decent addition to the flying experience. But IMO it has to be at least 10 times better than the Force 3D, or it's gonna suck.
<S>
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Got a brand new force 3d in box not worth jack, it's rubbish.
Everytime I see it I feel like puking, losing calibration and bouncing about.
Saitek from now on
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What kind of Saitek do you have Zack?