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General Forums => Custom Skins => Topic started by: Fencer51 on October 09, 2009, 09:21:19 PM
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P-47M 44-21212 flown by Major Greorge Bostwick of the 63rd Fighter Squadron of the 56th Fighter Group, Boxted April 1945.
Major Bostwick caused 1 Me262 to crash and shot down another on March 25, 1945 in UN-F another P-47M.
(http://www.51hangar.net/skins/UN-Z1.jpg)
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P-47M 44-21109 flown by Lt. Ernst Treff of the 61st Fighter Squadron of the 56th Fighter Group, April 1945.
(http://www.51hangar.net/skins/HV-K1.jpg)
(http://www.51hangar.net/skins/HV-K2.jpg)
Not too happy with the merging of the fuslage and the canopy but thats the best I was able to get and the red bleeds over on the second skin. Also I note the wrong serial number on the first one, I gotta check my notes on that. Also gotta look at that upper wing insignia its looking rough on the aluminum.
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:aok great work :airplane:
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Beautiful Fencer! :cheers:
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Outstanding! :aok
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Repete....
Also from Osprey's 56th Fighter Group:
The matt black colour on the upper surfaces of this squadron's aircraft had a decidedly purplish tinge.
wrongway
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Way ahead of you, I got that covered although it is hard to see from these reduced size screenshots.
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isn't the red on the nose a bit too bright?
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isn't the red on the nose a bit too bright?
Enlighten me with your research.
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Enlighten me with your research.
I am asking you. Mind posting links to sites/books you got your info from?
I think it looks too "clean"
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I think it looks great Fencer, actually looks like the same red I used.
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You are asking me? Oh sorry I thought you were telling me it was wrong. Let's see, I did it, so that is what I think is right.
As to sites and books, yeah I mind. I have pictures of both planes in COPYRIGHTED (oh that dreaded word) form. Try Amazon.com
You are the one who says it is wrong, why do you say that?
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I think it looks great Fencer, actually looks like the same red I used.
Wow, mind posting your sites and books? :lol Kidding.
Yeah, obviously research before coming in and questioning everything is a daunting task. Much easier to just post and raise the ole post count.
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You are asking me? Oh sorry I thought you were telling me it was wrong. Let's see, I did it, so that is what I think is right.
As to sites and books, yeah I mind. I have pictures of both planes in COPYRIGHTED (oh that dreaded word) form. Try Amazon.com
You are the one who says it is wrong, why do you say that?
you are really paranoid.
All I said was I think the red on the cowling looks too "clean" I think a bit of weathering added to it would look nice.
Obviously I was not there, therefore I can't say for sure. My refrence book on the 56th is full of black and white pics, so I can't get a good feel for the shades, but blemishes from battle damage or whatever are pretty noticeable.
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You said "bright". That is a color issue. As to weathering I will use those references I have and the pictures of the planes from that era not from the entire war. 1945 was not 1943.
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You said "bright". That is a color issue. As to weathering I will use those references I have and the pictures of the planes from that era not from the entire war. 1945 was not 1943.
sorry, I was talking about Ms in 1945.
I was not questioning your sources. It was just a matter of opinion. Why I asked a question. [will edit this out]. Was referring to the sources I have.
Btw, I was just asking for the names of the books you have in your home library.
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Already, holy crap that was quick!
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Well I have a D-40 template and I worked on it some Thursday evening and last night.
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Very nice Fencer. All the M skins are progressing nicely.
About the red areas - I'm not sure what word to use to describe the effect, whether its "intensity" or "saturation" or "level" or something like that -and understand I'm not questioning the hue or shade chosen, simply comparing the red areas to the dark matte skin color, they seem to jump out at you (or at least at me, on the monitor I'm viewing it through). Cactus' M skin with the red band around the nose doesn't do that - the red band seems to be at the same level of intensity as the other colors on the skin. I'm not sure if he adjusted the saturation or opacity or what. Not to criticise, or to say one is wrong and the other right, just making a comparative observation.
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Very nice Fencer. All the M skins are progressing nicely.
About the red areas - I'm not sure what word to use to describe the effect, whether its "intensity" or "saturation" or "level" or something like that -and understand I'm not questioning the hue or shade chosen, simply comparing the red areas to the dark matte skin color, they seem to jump out at you (or at least at me, on the monitor I'm viewing it through). Cactus' M skin with the red band around the nose doesn't do that - the red band seems to be at the same level of intensity as the other colors on the skin. I'm not sure if he adjusted the saturation or opacity or what. Not to criticise, or to say one is wrong and the other right, just making a comparative observation.
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good wording. exactly
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Very nice Fencer. All the M skins are progressing nicely.
About the red areas - I'm not sure what word to use to describe the effect, whether its "intensity" or "saturation" or "level" or something like that -and understand I'm not questioning the hue or shade chosen, simply comparing the red areas to the dark matte skin color, they seem to jump out at you (or at least at me, on the monitor I'm viewing it through). Cactus' M skin with the red band around the nose doesn't do that - the red band seems to be at the same level of intensity as the other colors on the skin. I'm not sure if he adjusted the saturation or opacity or what. Not to criticise, or to say one is wrong and the other right, just making a comparative observation.
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Hmmm
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I'm really struggling right now with the reds of the 82nd P-38Ls' nose and spinners, and its related I think to the specularity in the material.txt file of a bare metal skin. I just can't seem to find the right level balance--nothing I do seems to look right. Every setting I choose has drawbacks.
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If you look at the color pictures of the black 56th skins, that red that Fencer used is almost dead-on accurate.
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If you look at the color pictures of the black 56th skins, that red that Fencer used is almost dead-on accurate.
Ya see that's what I thought too.. but I started playing with the saturation and dropped it -28% and it doesn't look too bad.. I will post revised screen shots with comparisons soon.
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If you look at the color pictures of the black 56th skins, that red that Fencer used is almost dead-on accurate.
Stoney is there a link to these color pics somewhere, or are they just in a book? I'm interested to see them if I can. Thx!
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Stoney is there a link to these color pics somewhere, or are they just in a book? I'm interested to see them if I can. Thx!
Believe Stoney is referring to this thread
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,275507.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,275507.0.html)
Red on the black skin looks dead on, But the red on the blue camo should be dulled a bit.
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Stoney is there a link to these color pics somewhere, or are they just in a book? I'm interested to see them if I can. Thx!
I tried to find some online this morning to give you some examples, but they're not the profiles. I need to dig out my copy of America's Hundred Thousand and see if they're in there. The red in the color pictures is very bright--lots of contrast with the other colors.
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Fencer sent me a link to some color 56th FG photos on LittleFriends.uk - thank you sir! Very interesting - some of the red noses seem to be bright and glossy, and really stand out against the dull matte camo, while a couple of others seemed more subdued. Was surprised to see the variation, as I figured a FG would have limited choices on paint finish type and colors. I didn't see a color pic of "Sue", but no doubt the case could be made for the bright red.
Just noticed one other thing - the 50 cal gun barrels - were they light or dark metal? I assumed they should be dark but just noticed on the these two skins they are the same color as the leading edge bare metal.
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Funny, that's where I found the pic of "Sue". :lol
Note that all color photos of that era have to be taken with a grain of salt for various reasons. True colors are not necessarily represented by what you see, some photos are better than others. The best you can do is research the paints in use and what paints they might have used to actually paint the AC.
The 50 cal's had some sort of metal shroud on them. You are too used to that poorly designed light bomber you like.
http://www.littlefriends.co.uk/gallery.php?Group=56&Style=item&origStyle=list&Item=472&Temp=2469&searchString=
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Fencer sent me a link to some color 56th FG photos on LittleFriends.uk - thank you sir! Very interesting - some of the red noses seem to be bright and glossy, and really stand out against the dull matte camo, while a couple of others seemed more subdued. Was surprised to see the variation, as I figured a FG would have limited choices on paint finish type and colors. I didn't see a color pic of "Sue", but no doubt the case could be made for the bright red.
Just noticed one other thing - the 50 cal gun barrels - were they light or dark metal? I assumed they should be dark but just noticed on the these two skins they are the same color as the leading edge bare metal.
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Good, I knew I had seen them somewhere. I couldn't find the link on Little Friends for some reason. As far as the Ma Deuce barrels, with (what I assume was fanatical cleaning by the ground crews) time, the bluing on the barrels wears off, revealing the bare metal underneath.
[Edit] Also, the ground crews, being proud of their planes and trying to get every last bit of performance out of them, would wax the fuselages and wings, so that the paint could look a little glossy sometimes.
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Funny, that's where I found the pic of "Sue". :lol
Note that all color photos of that era have to be taken with a grain of salt for various reasons. True colors are not necessarily represented by what you see, some photos are better than others. The best you can do is research the paints in use and what paints they might have used to actually paint the AC.
The 50 cal's had some sort of metal shroud on them. You are too used to that poorly designed light bomber you like.
http://www.littlefriends.co.uk/gallery.php?Group=56&Style=item&origStyle=list&Item=472&Temp=2469&searchString=
No doubt! don't know how I missed the pic of Sue...
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Updates and one new skin.
(http://www.51hangar.net/skins/UNZa.jpg)
(http://www.51hangar.net/skins/UNZb.jpg)
(http://www.51hangar.net/skins/UNZc.jpg)
(http://www.51hangar.net/skins/HVKa.jpg)
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(http://www.51hangar.net/skins/LMKa.jpg)
(http://www.51hangar.net/skins/LMKb.jpg)
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That's some really nice looking work Fencer. Great stuff :aok
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Nice Fencer. I especially like UN-Z. :aok
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I love the new one Fencer.
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I am sorta loving this one..
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After doing that many Jugs don't you have to do pennance to the Mustang gods? :)
How bout taking that shade of blue and doing one of your B25C glass noses in Marine VMB 413 colors?
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Fencer, those skins are simply badass! Regardless of the "color critique", they look just as accurate as any photo's I have come across. Thanks for these! :rock
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Some nice work there Fencer. :aok
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Some really nice work there my partitioning friend. One thought for discussion: is the transition area and gaps between and aft of the cowl flaps a little heavy?
LM-K is hot...
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Nice!
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Awesome as always Fencer! :aok
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Love em all, especially "F*UN"!
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Found a couple of colour photos of Major Bostwicks aircraft.
Your skin is a very close to perfect except the band near the canopy? Not quite the same.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/01954.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/00865.jpg)
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Found a couple of colour photos of Major Bostwicks aircraft.
Your skin is a very close to perfect except the band near the canopy? Not quite the same.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/01954.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/00865.jpg)
I would hazard a guess that those are not actually color photos, I think they have been colorized. I have BW copies of those and I was comfortable with the accuracy of the band. I will take a look at it again before I submit to make sure though.
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Nice work!(http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-gen014.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)
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I would hazard a guess that those are not actually color photos, I think they have been colorized. I have BW copies of those and I was comfortable with the accuracy of the band. I will take a look at it again before I submit to make sure though.
The web site only places actual colour photos no touch ups to the best of my memory.
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The web site only places actual colour photos no touch ups to the best of my memory.
Well, they are showing a dark plum color when the original plane was blue.
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Well, they are showing a dark plum color when the original plane was blue.
I wasn't thinking at all about colour just the placement of the band around the canopy it just looks to close to the planes lettering code on the side of it.
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I will take another look at the BW photos, but I thought I followed it pretty darn well. There is also a profile of the plane which I had.