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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: captain1ma on October 11, 2009, 11:15:53 AM
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We are trying to resurrect the AVA. We are looking for some squads and individuals that would be interested in flying in the AVA. We already have a few squads that will start becoming a regular part of the AVA, but we are looking for more interested parties.
the focus will be on all the fun stuff. missions, basetaking, furballs and yes even a war! what we're asking is just a list of people that would be interested that we could contact and have direct contact with. its always open to everyone no matter what, but we just like to get an idea of interest.
we like bomber groups, fighter groups, escort groups, groups that like just axis or just allies. we'd like individuals also. don't feel you can join in if you're not part of a squad, we'd like you to try it out, you might find a squad that you could fit in with!
anyway feel free to reply to this thread!
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As a Noob I have to ask,,,,,,what is the AVA?
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Axis vs Allies, I miss when it was the primary server
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last time i was in the AvA Larry and is buds were vulching the only fight with panzers and planes etc. Never flown since.
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The historical matchup thing is what I am most interested in, problem is I work Wed thru Sat evenings and Sunday the wife-ack is insurmountable.
I'll keep an eye on it and log in if there's ever anyone on when I fly, and if you ever have anything going on Mon-Tue, I'd like to hear about it.
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You guys. I assure you that Larry and JG-54 have change. What Captin1ma, I and some others are trying to do is get everybody together and find ways to make AvA better. We want everybody to put in their suggestions on what could be done, not so much on arena set-ups but makeing a FSO like events.
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offer the allies triple value transferable perk points :joystick:
give the axis free beer :cheers:
and a little smack talk never hurts :aok
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Sometimes "mounting" wife-ack is the best way to make it less lethal to play time... :D
The last few times I've been able to make it into the AvA, the setups have been great. If you're worried about "balance" go stand on your head. If you like more historical planesets than what's in the LW arenas...then the AvA is a lot of fun. Anyone who participates in the FSO, SEC, Snapshots or Scenarios should be checking it out, because you like historical setups. If you have ideas, pass them along...right now the general idea is to put FSO type setups in there just so those of us who participate can get added practice...and the guys who are trying to get things going deserve a lot of credit.
:aok :salute :cheers:
Great job to the fellas making the attempt for the rest of us.
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It was good to see JG-27 in there tonight Gyrene. <S>
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fun :aok
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If you have ideas, pass them along...right now the general idea is to put FSO type setups in there
I think that is excellent. One suggestion to maximize participation is to keep it accessible to walk ons as well as squads.
Another is to try to schedule on days and times when there are no other special events running.
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I think that is excellent. One suggestion to maximize participation is to keep it accessible to walk ons as well as squads.
Another is to try to schedule on days and times when there are no other special events running.
Thats one of the rules that we are placing in the events, walk on aloud.
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I think that is excellent. One suggestion to maximize participation is to keep it accessible to walk ons as well as squads.
Another is to try to schedule on days and times when there are no other special events running.
First suggestion is easy...done :aok No better way to get people without squads into FSO type setups and let them see for themselves how much fun the rest of us are having (of course unlike FSO, respawns are enabled).
Second suggestion the guys are working on. I'm pretty sure the setups are there for a week(?), Oldman, Shifty and Jaeger would know better than me.
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I would fly in the AVA arena but most of the time there is no one in there.
Love to fly the 109 series
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You guys. I assure you that Larry and JG-54 have change. What Captin1ma, I and some others are trying to do is get everybody together and find ways to make AvA better. We want everybody to put in their suggestions on what could be done, not so much on arena set-ups but makeing a FSO like events.
:old:OAK! You never write anymore since I left?
Larry and crew changed habits? ! ? :pray
Shirley, you jest! :x
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promote promote promote ...
things like "movie night" event based on movies like "memphis bell" ... "enemy at the gates"
and or ...
"book club" event based on aviation books like "god is my co-pilot" "thunderbolt" "i flew for the Führer" "night witches"
etc ...
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Pigs on the Wing used to fly in the AvA alot for a bit but it just died out. Send me a message about what time its most popular and Ill try to get some pigs interested :salute
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trying to find a way to resurrect the AVA? How about the new planes that HTC is plan to release to be availiable only in AvA :O
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What are the icon settings in the AvA?
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It used to be 3k for icon. And radar settings were always fluctuating.
No idea what it is now.
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You guys. I assure you that Larry and JG-54 have change.
very doubtful.
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icon is about 3k, radar is dependant on the setup. come in and try it out, we've been having a blast the last couple of weeks. we're trying for wednesday nights and Sunday nights 8PM EST. had 40 in there on sunday night. if you didnt get in there, you missed some great battles. try it out!
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very doubtful.
consider this your personal invitation, give it a try! i think you'll find it refreshing :salute
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You guys. I assure you that Larry and JG-54 have change.
Good I need three quarters to buy a coke. :D
Oak I realize you're trying to help with the above statement. However bringing up the past or saying one certain group or individual has changed only brings statements like Odee's or CAP1's which end up not helping at all. For two weeks there's been a effort by quite a few people to bring numbers back into the AVA. There's been a lot of posting and exchange of ideas in the AVA threads. The majority of it positive. The things posted that were less than positive in the threads were not posted by anybody that flies with a Green Heart on their aircraft. Everybody that's taken up the attempt to revive the AVA has had to change, not just one group of people. Theres a lot of old crap that's been checked at the door by a lot of different people. None of that old crap no matter who it belonged to was healthy for the AVA. You can't blame all of the AVA woes on one group of people and still be honest with yourself. Everybody that fought with words instead of airplanes, everybody that held grudges, everybody that fought on the BBS instead of fighting to save the arena, and everybody boycotted the arena all carry some of the blame for it's demise. If you take an hard honest look at all that's transpired there over the years you'll find there's many of us that could have stopped our behavior and tried another approach or at least to put the arena above the BS.
In the past week people from JG-11, JG-54, II/JG-27, 334th FG, The Gunfighters, 332nd Mongrels, 82nd FG, VF-17, and 801 FAA along with guys I'm forgetting at the moment have all worked together to bring back a place where we can get historic aircraft setups on a daily bases in AH. I've seen both JG-54 and JG-11 guys giving up their favorite rides to even out the numbers when the Allies were out numbered. I've seen 332nd guys do the same. VF-17 mounted a couple of carrier based F4F sorties against 109F and FW-190A5s, II/JG-27 pilots ran JU-88 torpedo attacks against the British fleet Sunday evening. These are the kind of things that are going to help the arena. So if you want to really help... Fly and participate.
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If the AvA can be more like it was Sunday evening then the 82nd will make the AvA a daily thing. Hope more unit's take the time to try out the AvA now, it's truly back up to par.
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Good I need three quarters to buy a coke. :D
Oak I realize you're trying to help with the above statement. However bringing up the past or saying one certain group or individual has changed only brings statements like Odee's or CAP1's which end up not helping at all. For two weeks there's been a effort by quite a few people to bring numbers back into the AVA. There's been a lot of posting and exchange of ideas in the AVA threads. The majority of it positive. The things posted that were less than positive in the threads were not posted by anybody that flies with a Green Heart on their aircraft. Everybody that's taken up the attempt to revive the AVA has had to change, not just one group of people. Theres a lot of old crap that's been checked at the door by a lot of different people. None of that old crap no matter who it belonged to was healthy for the AVA. You can't blame all of the AVA woes on one group of people and still be honest with yourself. Everybody that fought with words instead of airplanes, everybody that held grudges, everybody that fought on the BBS instead of fighting to save the arena, and everybody boycotted the arena all carry some of the blame for it's demise. If you take an hard honest look at all that's transpired there over the years you'll find there's many of us that could have stopped our behavior and tried another approach or at least to put the arena above the BS.
In the past week people from JG-11, JG-54, II/JG-27, 334th FG, The Gunfighters, 332nd Mongrels, 82nd FG, VF-17, and 801 FAA along with guys I'm forgetting at the moment have all worked together to bring back a place where we can get historic aircraft setups on a daily bases in AH. I've seen both JG-54 and JG-11 guys giving up their favorite rides to even out the numbers when the Allies were out numbered. I've seen 332nd guys do the same. VF-17 mounted a couple of carrier based F4F sorties against 109F and FW-190A5s, II/JG-27 pilots ran JU-88 torpedo attacks against the British fleet Sunday evening. These are the kind of things that are going to help the arena. So if you want to really help... Fly and participate.
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Great post as usual Shifty.
A couple more squadrons running mission based activity outside the furball, and we will be over the hump in there.
I salute everyone who has participated up till now, and the conduct and game play level as well has noticeably improved, making the experience much more enjoyable. A few more players and we may just yet have an arena with 24/7 historical planesets, and gameplay.
Fly AvA.
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my comment wasn't meant to be negative.
i do commend these guys for trying to bring the AvA arena up to snuff. i may one day try it out, but not just now.
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Good I need three quarters to buy a coke. :D
Oak I realize you're trying to help with the above statement. However bringing up the past or saying one certain group or individual has changed only brings statements like Odee's or CAP1's which end up not helping at all. For two weeks there's been a effort by quite a few people to bring numbers back into the AVA. There's been a lot of posting and exchange of ideas in the AVA threads. The majority of it positive. The things posted that were less than positive in the threads were not posted by anybody that flies with a Green Heart on their aircraft. Everybody that's taken up the attempt to revive the AVA has had to change, not just one group of people. Theres a lot of old crap that's been checked at the door by a lot of different people. None of that old crap no matter who it belonged to was healthy for the AVA. You can't blame all of the AVA woes on one group of people and still be honest with yourself. Everybody that fought with words instead of airplanes, everybody that held grudges, everybody that fought on the BBS instead of fighting to save the arena, and everybody boycotted the arena all carry some of the blame for it's demise. If you take an hard honest look at all that's transpired there over the years you'll find there's many of us that could have stopped our behavior and tried another approach or at least to put the arena above the BS.
In the past week people from JG-11, JG-54, II/JG-27, 334th FG, The Gunfighters, 332nd Mongrels, 82nd FG, VF-17, and 801 FAA along with guys I'm forgetting at the moment have all worked together to bring back a place where we can get historic aircraft setups on a daily bases in AH. I've seen both JG-54 and JG-11 guys giving up their favorite rides to even out the numbers when the Allies were out numbered. I've seen 332nd guys do the same. VF-17 mounted a couple of carrier based F4F sorties against 109F and FW-190A5s, II/JG-27 pilots ran JU-88 torpedo attacks against the British fleet Sunday evening. These are the kind of things that are going to help the arena. So if you want to really help... Fly and participate.
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People will ask... you can't erase the past. All JG54 can do is try to be better than they were. That is what I was trying to explain to them before when obviously they did not care. Sometimes folks learn the hard way. You are judged forever more by your actions today.
As for the AVA it is only fair that the folks who pretty much ruined the AVA be tasked with trying to fix it. Good Luck as the AVA was a great place to fly.
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I was big into AvA when it was the CT..One thing that changed it from me was a certain axis squad that liked to do alot of chest banging and name calling for people not playing the way they did. Other than a new squad name, losing some old faces and gaining some new ones....whats really changed in there. I will admit I miss it alot. Started playing in CT in 02, but I wonder if it has changed much.
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I was big into AvA when it was the CT..One thing that changed it from me was a certain axis squad that liked to do alot of chest banging and name calling for people not playing the way they did. Other than a new squad name, losing some old faces and gaining some new ones....whats really changed in there. I will admit I miss it alot. Started playing in CT in 02, but I wonder if it has changed much.
well come on down and try it out!
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You are judged forever more by your actions today.
Shuf, that's basically what I'm trying to sell. Let's start judgement on the actions of today none of us can do squat about yesterday or last year.
Also sooner or later there will be conflict of some sort between a couple of players you just can't get around it.
However we can contain disagreements to the individuals no matter what logo is in their avatar. Luckily everything stupid I do or say sticks to me not my squadmates.
Everybody and every squad should be granted that courtesy.
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Everybody and every squad should be granted that courtesy.
...quoted for truth.
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one individual here, if it is european time zone friendly :pray
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Chewie there was a time that on weekends especially Sundays there were enough players in the CT/AVA where guys in Europe were participating.
We're trying to get back to that. There's nothing stopping guys in Europe from flying there any day of the week. Spread the word to the guys you fly with in the regular arenas and see if you can help us spark some interest. It's not a special events arena. It's for the whole community to fly in anytime it wants.
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very doubtful.
JG-54 has change since two years ago. For one, Larry is far more mature then some people that i have to put up with the other arenas. Also, JG-54 has lost a lot of members that are no longer active.
You also you see that some people of 353rd FG, JG-54, VFM-17 are working hard to get AVA back up to a new arena of battle. One area that we are foucusing on is get more people in it, more squades in it and we want everybody to help make it a better place.
Come to AVA and try it.
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Good I need three quarters to buy a coke. :D
Oak I realize you're trying to help with the above statement. However bringing up the past or saying one certain group or individual has changed only brings statements like Odee's or CAP1's which end up not helping at all. For two weeks there's been a effort by quite a few people to bring numbers back into the AVA. There's been a lot of posting and exchange of ideas in the AVA threads. The majority of it positive. The things posted that were less than positive in the threads were not posted by anybody that flies with a Green Heart on their aircraft. Everybody that's taken up the attempt to revive the AVA has had to change, not just one group of people. Theres a lot of old crap that's been checked at the door by a lot of different people. None of that old crap no matter who it belonged to was healthy for the AVA. You can't blame all of the AVA woes on one group of people and still be honest with yourself. Everybody that fought with words instead of airplanes, everybody that held grudges, everybody that fought on the BBS instead of fighting to save the arena, and everybody boycotted the arena all carry some of the blame for it's demise. If you take an hard honest look at all that's transpired there over the years you'll find there's many of us that could have stopped our behavior and tried another approach or at least to put the arena above the BS.
In the past week people from JG-11, JG-54, II/JG-27, 334th FG, The Gunfighters, 332nd Mongrels, 82nd FG, VF-17, and 801 FAA along with guys I'm forgetting at the moment have all worked together to bring back a place where we can get historic aircraft setups on a daily bases in AH. I've seen both JG-54 and JG-11 guys giving up their favorite rides to even out the numbers when the Allies were out numbered. I've seen 332nd guys do the same. VF-17 mounted a couple of carrier based F4F sorties against 109F and FW-190A5s, II/JG-27 pilots ran JU-88 torpedo attacks against the British fleet Sunday evening. These are the kind of things that are going to help the arena. So if you want to really help... Fly and participate.
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Your are right shifty. I am trying to not bring up the past and JG-54. And i apologized JG-54 for that.
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Your are right shifty. I am trying to not bring up the past and JG-54. And i apologized JG-54 for that.
NP Oak, just trying to keep the train on the tracks. :aok
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no apology necessary, we know who our supporters are. thanks for the kind words! now back to the task at hand, PARTY IN THE AVA!!
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NP Oak, just trying to keep the train on the tracks. :aok
Glad that that you are the one keeping me on track.
:saluteno apology necessary, we know who our supporters are. thanks for the kind words! now back to the task at hand, PARTY IN THE AVA!!
Yes, lets focus on what we can do to AVA now.
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Shuf, that's basically what I'm trying to sell. Let's start judgement on the actions of today none of us can do squat about yesterday or last year.
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No one can erase the todays of the past. Everyone is held accountable for their actions.
Some wake up in a new world every day...... I pity them for they have no past and they have no future.
Courtesy should be 24 hours a day. You can't turn it on and off. You must earn it.
I sat quietly watching to see how this goes. I'm all for a thriving AVA. When someone asked a reasonable question and is told to not bring that up..... that is just wrong. He asked a question that I'm sure a lot of folks were thinking.
JG-54's shenanigans were still in full force till just about a month ago. So if you want folks to think they've changed... theyll have to show it... not tell us.
Hopefully they have. <S>
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I sat quietly watching to see how this goes. I'm all for a thriving AVA. When someone asked a reasonable question and is told to not bring that up..... that is just wrong. He asked a question that I'm sure a lot of folks were thinking.
I guess I missed something. Who asked a question and who told them not to bring it up?
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no apology necessary, we know who our supporters are. thanks for the kind words! now back to the task at hand, PARTY IN THE AVA!!
Larry aka truekill still in your squad? Just curious.
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Larry aka truekill still in your squad? Just curious.
yes
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Im not good enough to participate. darn. :frown:
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Im not good enough to participate. darn. :frown:
Sneak in, then, like I do.
- oldman
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No one can erase the todays of the past. Everyone is held accountable for their actions.
Dude, let it go. No one's real life is affected by anyone's behavior in a computer game. Shifty's message is "let bygones be bygones." Good advice under the circumstances.
- oldman (looking forward to seeing the Shuffler in AvA again)
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OK, so what squadron/individual wants to join in discussion on make the AVA better. We want everybody remarks. Keep in mind that the arena set up is not a issue, what we are looking at is set up a "FSO" like event,
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Chewie there was a time that on weekends especially Sundays there were enough players in the CT/AVA where guys in Europe were participating.
We're trying to get back to that. There's nothing stopping guys in Europe from flying there any day of the week. Spread the word to the guys you fly with in the regular arenas and see if you can help us spark some interest. It's not a special events arena. It's for the whole community to fly in anytime it wants.
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roger, will do it during these evenings.. problem is that the Sunday is already taken by the only european time event, SEC. So an infra week day would work better imho.
OK, so what squadron/individual wants to join in discussion on make the AVA better. We want everybody remarks. Keep in mind that the arena set up is not a issue, what we are looking at is set up a "FSO" like event,
Sounds good to me, imagine FSO on friday and a "TSO" on thursday, taking place a earlier. I attended the BoA in 2008 it was a blast besides some arena settings were a problem like side switching and multiple deaths allowed.
chewie. :cheers:
ps:Larry aka truekill still in your squad? Just curious.
BLKMGC !! u still around!?
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OK, so what squadron/individual wants to join in discussion on make the AVA better. We want everybody remarks. Keep in mind that the arena set up is not a issue, what we are looking at is set up a "FSO" like event,
I vote for one on Mon or Tue starting at 6pm est. (or earlier)
No other special events running.
You'll get some early evening/afternoon US players.
You'll also get some late night EU players.
Coincidentally, that also just happens to be a good time for me, lol.
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the only problem with tuesday is that vox is lunched due to titanic tuesdays. also alot of people get discoed on tuesdays if they're in the AVA.
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the only problem with tuesday is that vox is lunched due to titanic tuesdays. also alot of people get discoed on tuesdays if they're in the AVA.
Oh yeah, I forgot. I guess TT is a special event, kinda.
Monday will be fine then.
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Alright count me in, ive been wanting to fly historical setups but there never is anyone there when i log on
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Dude, let it go. No one's real life is affected by anyone's behavior in a computer game. Shifty's message is "let bygones be bygones." Good advice under the circumstances.
- oldman (looking forward to seeing the Shuffler in AvA again)
Only because we can chose to fly elsewhere. I'm going to wait and see what happens. Like I said Good Luck on reviving AVA. Would be nice.
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Only because we can chose to fly elsewhere.
So you're saying you're real life would be affected if you couldn't fly elsewhere?
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So you're saying you're real life would be affected if you couldn't fly elsewhere?
We take time out of our real life to have fun flying.
That is unless your dead and logged on to AH.
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ps: BLKMGC !! u still around!?
Yeah, getting sucked back in as time permits. :) :salute
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last time i was in the AvA Larry and is buds were vulching the only fight with panzers and planes etc. Never flown since.
And this has what to do with what jaeger was asking? Bringing up something that happened, what four or five months ago, has nothing to do with what jaeger was asking for. Stick to the topic at hand or move along. That goes for all you negative Nancys.
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And this has what to do with what jaeger was asking? Bringing up something that happened, what four or five months ago, has nothing to do with what jaeger was asking for. Stick to the topic at hand or move along. That goes for all you negative Nancys.
i(like others) understand what jeagr is trying to do. the attitude shown in the above post though, shows, that nothing much has changed.
if you intend to have a serious discussion here, then all viewpoints should be welcomed, and countered(if there is a counter).
i've been fighting myself to not post in this thread, due to my opinion of a couple members of that squad(jaegr is not one of those members), trying to not bring it down for yas.
what jaegr is trying to do, is a good thing. i've never flown the ava arena, and when i thought about it, finding that this squad was one of the main squads in there, that made my decision for me. i stayed away, and will continue to do so, until i see proof positive that it has come back up to what i hear it used to be(before you guys,,,again from what i hear).
someone quoted my "very doubtful" post saying you guys changed about 2 years ago....yet, if you all want, i have films of several members of this squad stirring poop in mw arena, that makes 200 in lw look tame. this is only from 1 or 2 months ago. it is also proof that you haven't.
people don't change. they simply show different sides of themselves.
your squad has some excellent pile-its, and i would LOVE to be able to fight against or with them, and see what i can learn, and have some fun whilst doing so.........
good luck in reviving AvA. i truly hope you guys are successful at it.
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Now, let me redirect!
We are trying to resurrect the AVA. We are looking for some squads and individuals that would be interested in flying in the AVA. We already have a few squads that will start becoming a regular part of the AVA, but we are looking for more interested parties.
the focus will be on all the fun stuff. missions, basetaking, furballs and yes even a war! what we're asking is just a list of people that would be interested that we could contact and have direct contact with. its always open to everyone no matter what, but we just like to get an idea of interest.
we like bomber groups, fighter groups, escort groups, groups that like just axis or just allies. we'd like individuals also. don't feel you can join in if you're not part of a squad, we'd like you to try it out, you might find a squad that you could fit in with!
anyway feel free to reply to this thread! Thank you for Sticking to the topic at hand.
On a side note, we had 30 people in there last night before the wednesday night snapshot! its coming around! please help if you can!
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And this has what to do with what jaeger was asking? Bringing up something that happened, what four or five months ago, has nothing to do with what jaeger was asking for. Stick to the topic at hand or move along. That goes for all you negative Nancys.
Screwed the pooch there. Your squad's reputation is haunting you now. You and your squads antics have everything to do with the subject at hand. From this post I see nothing has changed. Move along.
My last post here as I see it is a waste of time.
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Screwed the pooch there. Your squad's reputation is haunting you now. You and your squads antics have everything to do with the subject at hand. From this post I see nothing has changed. Move along.
My last post here as I see it is a waste of time.
:headscratch:
Play nice or no sheep for any of you guys.
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Holy Cow, look who pop their ugly face. Odee how have you been?
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:headscratch:
Play nice or no sheep for any of you guys.
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we don' need no steeeenkin sheep!! we gots two engines!! :noid :D :bolt:
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we don' need no steeeenkin sheep!! we gots two engines!! :noid :D :bolt:
I am surely violating one of the cardinal rules here, but...
http://www.asb.tv/videos/view.php?v=1bf99434 (http://www.asb.tv/videos/view.php?v=1bf99434)
A few friends of mine from both WW2 Fighter MMO's met this guy and his family at the Gathering of Mustangs and Legends in fall of 07.
I think Wooly got his autograph, but I was too shy to ask.
What a fantastic tribute to the man that flew the plane in WW2, and his family and friends.
Find some quiet time to watch this film. It's well worth it.
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Screwed the pooch there. Your squad's reputation is haunting you now. You and your squads antics have everything to do with the subject at hand. From this post I see nothing has changed. Move along.
My last post here as I see it is a waste of time.
I bet you peek out your curtains at your neighbors too...
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I bet you peek out your curtains at your neighbors too...
Guess anti wants to throw rocks........ so I'll try to make it simple for him.
What do my neighbors have to do with it.
Look at it this way.... guy robs a couple of stores. You going to go hang out with him? Maybe let him babysit for you while you go out?
I have no idea how old you are. I will say this.... how you act and what you do today will determine how folks think of you tomorrow and many days after. That is with anything you do. I hope your not so naive as to think folks will wipe the slate just because you "say" you've changed. If you've done wrong, trust is the last thing folks will allow you. If you've done wrong, the most you can hope for is to not do wrong again in the future so folks can see you really have changed.
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Guess anti wants to throw rocks........ so I'll try to make it simple for him.
What do my neighbors have to do with it.
Look at it this way.... guy robs a couple of stores. You going to go hang out with him? Maybe let him babysit for you while you go out?
I have no idea how old you are. I will say this.... how you act and what you do today will determine how folks think of you tomorrow and many days after. That is with anything you do. I hope your not so naive as to think folks will wipe the slate just because you "say" you've changed. If you've done wrong, trust is the last thing folks will allow you. If you've done wrong, the most you can hope for is to not do wrong again in the future so folks can see you really have changed.
i think that what they don't get, is that the same that holds true in real life, holds true in here.
i'd fly with you, any of the 80th, and actually any of sapp on my wing any day. quite a few others too......waystin, ump40, llgaf, potsnpans, grizz, slapshot, the list goes on.........because of how they act in the game.
i'm gonna stop here now, as i told jaegr i'd try not to be negative in his threads........and i'm not yet.
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I don't know how this whole thread's purpose got turned into who has changed and who hasn't. Well wait I do... It was Oakranger's "Larry has changed" comment. :D Because of that the focus shifted from Jaeger trying to get people to fly in the AVA to weather or not this person or that person has changed. The subject is trying to get the AVA going and getting people involved in there again. The pissing contest in this thread isn't about anything that's happened in the past month. It's over the same old tired stuff. I got news for you... Nobody is going to change, hell I don't even think it's possible for people to change their nature.
However we do have an empty arena that could be put to good use if people on both sides would drop this crap. That's exactly what it is crap. If you want to fly historic matchups then please keep giving the AVA a try and help start putting people in the air there. If enough of you guys that have been around for a while would pitch in and give it a go we could make a difference by populating the arena and introducing it to another generation of guys that were not around when the place had life. That's the only way we're going to make it better. We can't change each other but we can change the arena and we can change what's important, the flying or the crap. If you want to squabble over who slighted who months ago there's no end to how many threads you can send South. If you want to help make the arena better there's no end to how much good you could do by letting the this idiotic feud die, or at least ignore it and get on with flying and fighting in our cartoon airplanes. Hell even the feud is a cartoon so why give it so much importance?
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I don't know how this whole thread's purpose got turned into who has changed and who hasn't. Well wait I do... It was Oakranger's "Larry has changed" comment. :D Because of that the focus shifted from Jaeger trying to get people to fly in the AVA to weather or not this person or that person has changed. The subject is trying to get the AVA going and getting people involved in there again. The pissing contest in this thread isn't about anything that's happened in the past month. It's over the same old tired stuff. I got news for you... Nobody is going to change, hell I don't even think it's possible for people to change their nature.
However we do have an empty arena that could be put to good use if people on both sides would drop this crap. That's exactly what it is crap. If you want to fly historic matchups then please keep giving the AVA a try and help start putting people in the air there. If enough of you guys that have been around for a while would pitch in and give it a go we could make a difference by populating the arena and introducing it to another generation of guys that were not around when the place had life. That's the only way we're going to make it better. We can't change each other but we can change the arena and we can change what's important, the flying or the crap. If you want to squabble over who slighted who months ago there's no end to how many threads you can send South. If you want to help make the arena better there's no end to how much good you could do by letting the this idiotic feud die, or at least ignore it and get on with flying and fighting in our cartoon airplanes. Hell even the feud is a cartoon so why give it so much importance?
dude....i would SO LOVE to see this arena go up. if my squaddies and fellow sapp'rs were to go into there, i'd jump in on the deep end with them. hell, they need SOMEONE to act as bait. :noid
anyway, it would be another dimension of fun in this game.
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anyway, it would be another dimension of fun in this game.
I agree with you CAP1.
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Shifty,
Fixed plane sets are very exciting and fun in organised large groups inside of events.
On the average the AvA(Old Combat Arena) has only small numbers at any given time of higly dedicated and single modality accomplished pilots enjoying the intensity of each others skill. It could be described as the DA with historical rotating maps, matchups, semi-DA relaxed rules but, not really historical or very organised game play. More a group of freinds who would be just as comfortable dueling in the "visualy sterile" DA. (The DA's Fighter Town excluded as traditional DA modality.) The MA's allow for the less single focused modality players who are more general activity minded, fixed plane set intollerant, and RULE intollerant to gain more personal fun and success per hour of their monthly fee.
So, with the latter player definition it has been customairy since I've been playing AH, and on this BBS for a minority of voices to chime in NOW that the less dedicated LARGE group of paying customers are...... possibly timid in their approch to game play and should stay out of the AvA. Or in in rather direct language:
The AvA has never had a very high "FUN" meter quotient for less skilled players other than those 1 in a 1000 individules who will eventualy join the ranks of the accomplished there and in the DA. The non-MA style rules limit the rest to picking no-stop fights with hungry Grizzly Bears while armed with a thoothpick in their jammies for armor. Not even Oldman's Mother Teresha strength cheer leading to the toothpick masses overcomes their need for tangable and fun accomplishments. After all, feeding yourself to a Grizzly Bear repeatedly is only fun to a person if they get FUN from it.
Ask your self this question: What is the personal EGO\FUN reward the less skilled masses are receiving in the MA's that keeps them there vs. the AvA or DA?
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Bustr,
I understand what you're trying to say.... I think. ;) However if the fun meter is as skewed as you say, nobody would fly FSO, Snapshots, or SECs organized or not. There's an audiance for historical matchups and it has nothing to do with who is and who isn't timid or who is or isn't skilled. Here's some info that should be obvious to all. The AVA is not an elite arena, the AVA is an empty arena. As far as your question...
What is the personal EGO\FUN reward the less skilled masses are receiving in the MA's that keeps them there vs. the AvA or DA?
I don't know, I don't consider the masses less skilled. I guess I never got handed my elite button. I die no matter what arena I fly in. However you seem to be driving at something...So if you have an idea or theory spit it out and let's hear it.
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I don't know how this whole thread's purpose got turned into who has changed and who hasn't. Well wait I do... It was Oakranger's "Larry has changed" comment. :D Because of that the focus shifted from Jaeger trying to get people to fly in the AVA to weather or not this person or that person has changed. The subject is trying to get the AVA going and getting people involved in there again. The pissing contest in this thread isn't about anything that's happened in the past month. It's over the same old tired stuff. I got news for you... Nobody is going to change, hell I don't even think it's possible for people to change their nature.
However we do have an empty arena that could be put to good use if people on both sides would drop this crap. That's exactly what it is crap. If you want to fly historic matchups then please keep giving the AVA a try and help start putting people in the air there. If enough of you guys that have been around for a while would pitch in and give it a go we could make a difference by populating the arena and introducing it to another generation of guys that were not around when the place had life. That's the only way we're going to make it better. We can't change each other but we can change the arena and we can change what's important, the flying or the crap. If you want to squabble over who slighted who months ago there's no end to how many threads you can send South. If you want to help make the arena better there's no end to how much good you could do by letting the this idiotic feud die, or at least ignore it and get on with flying and fighting in our cartoon airplanes. Hell even the feud is a cartoon so why give it so much importance?
One born every minute.........
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Shifty,
Ok, here is the expected answer to everything in todays polite sensative culture.
God bless you sir. All my best wishes that you make the new and improved AvA an exciting and shineing example of the best game play Aces High2 has to offer. I'm confident like myself that all reading this want to join in with me to express our admiration for your dedication to the finest ideals of Aces High2. Your intitiative of taking on the responsibilty of moving the AvA arena into a bright new future will surely attract all players new and old interested in the genra. May we all work together in the spirit of Hope and Change to help Arena Master Shifty make this the finest arena in the game.
Gosh all mighty, now I feel like going to church, giving tithe and volinteering for missionairy duty in Zimbabwe. Vhangeri vhuvhudza Ko.
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Tolerance- a fair, objective, and permissive attitude toward opinions and practices that differ from one's own.
Intolerance- lack of toleration; unwillingness or refusal to tolerate or respect contrary opinions or beliefs, persons of different races or backgrounds, etc.
Vir prudens non contra ventum mingit
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Shifty,
Ok, here is the expected answer to everything in todays polite sensative culture.
God bless you sir. All my best wishes that you make the new and improved AvA an exciting and shineing example of the best game play Aces High2 has to offer. I'm confident like myself that all reading this want to join in with me to express our admiration for your dedication to the finest ideals of Aces High2. Your intitiative of taking on the responsibilty of moving the AvA arena into a bright new future will surely attract all players new and old interested in the genra. May we all work together in the spirit of Hope and Change to help Arena Master Shifty make this the finest arena in the game.
Gosh all mighty, now I feel like going to church, giving tithe and volinteering for missionairy duty in Zimbabwe. Vhangeri vhuvhudza Ko.
Good lord, between you and Jaeger we're getting to be a foreign language forum.
Bustr: Not everyone enjoys fighting people who are better than they are, I think we all appreciate that. Shifty and Jaeger have been poking and prodding people to come into the arena over the past few weeks, and those people appear to bring a wide range of experience - similar to the MAs. Come in and try it, you'll see what I mean. And thanks for keeping the comments pleasant.
Shuffler: No need to make fun of people who are working hard to achieve a good result. You're old and getting grouchy (ask me how I recognize the symptoms). Be nice.
Shifty and Jaeger: Keep doing what you're doing, it seems to be working, and everyone benefits when HTC is able to offer a lot of different choices in arenas.
- oldman (Mother Theresa? Geez. Here I was hoping for Clint Eastwood, or James Bond....)
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Shifty,
Ok, here is the expected answer to everything in todays polite sensative culture.
God bless you sir. All my best wishes that you make the new and improved AvA an exciting and shineing example of the best game play Aces High2 has to offer. I'm confident like myself that all reading this want to join in with me to express our admiration for your dedication to the finest ideals of Aces High2. Your intitiative of taking on the responsibilty of moving the AvA arena into a bright new future will surely attract all players new and old interested in the genra. May we all work together in the spirit of Hope and Change to help Arena Master Shifty make this the finest arena in the game.
Gosh all mighty, now I feel like going to church, giving tithe and volinteering for missionairy duty in Zimbabwe. Vhangeri vhuvhudza Ko.
gosh? :noid
well gooolllllllllllyy!!! :aok :bolt: :rofl :noid
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Tolerance- a fair, objective, and permissive attitude toward opinions and practices that differ from one's own.
Intolerance- lack of toleration; unwillingness or refusal to tolerate or respect contrary opinions or beliefs, persons of different races or backgrounds, etc.
Vir prudens non contra ventum mingit
He doesn't piss on his own leg, either.......... :D
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Good lord, between you and Jaeger we're getting to be a foreign language forum.
Bustr: Not everyone enjoys fighting people who are better than they are, I think we all appreciate that. Shifty and Jaeger have been poking and prodding people to come into the arena over the past few weeks, and those people appear to bring a wide range of experience - similar to the MAs. Come in and try it, you'll see what I mean. And thanks for keeping the comments pleasant.
Shuffler: No need to make fun of people who are working hard to achieve a good result. You're old and getting grouchy (ask me how I recognize the symptoms). Be nice.
Shifty and Jaeger: Keep doing what you're doing, it seems to be working, and everyone benefits when HTC is able to offer a lot of different choices in arenas.
- oldman (Mother Theresa? Geez. Here I was hoping for Clint Eastwood, or James Bond....)
This would all work a lot better if the arena was set up according to plan (and on-time) :noid
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This would all work a lot better if the arena was set up according to plan (and on-time) :noid
excellent suggestion.
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Good lord, between you and Jaeger we're getting to be a foreign language forum.
Bustr: Not everyone enjoys fighting people who are better than they are, I think we all appreciate that. Shifty and Jaeger have been poking and prodding people to come into the arena over the past few weeks, and those people appear to bring a wide range of experience - similar to the MAs. Come in and try it, you'll see what I mean. And thanks for keeping the comments pleasant.
Shuffler: No need to make fun of people who are working hard to achieve a good result. You're old and getting grouchy (ask me how I recognize the symptoms). Be nice.
Shifty and Jaeger: Keep doing what you're doing, it seems to be working, and everyone benefits when HTC is able to offer a lot of different choices in arenas.
- oldman (Mother Theresa? Geez. Here I was hoping for Clint Eastwood, or James Bond....)
shuffler isn't being grouchy.......he's being truthful. i've flown with him. that man is sooooooo friggin far from grouchy, it could almost be scary.
i haven't heard him sing yet though. if he does, i'm gonna get guido, and have them singing together. :aok :rofl :noid :bolt:
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We are trying to resurrect the AVA. We are looking for some squads and individuals that would be interested in flying in the AVA. We already have a few squads that will start becoming a regular part of the AVA, but we are looking for more interested parties.
the focus will be on all the fun stuff. missions, basetaking, furballs and yes even a war! what we're asking is just a list of people that would be interested that we could contact and have direct contact with. its always open to everyone no matter what, but we just like to get an idea of interest.
we'd like bomber groups, fighter groups, escort groups, groups that like just axis or just allies. we'd like individuals also. don't feel you can join in if you're not part of a squad, we'd like you to try it out, you might find a squad that you could fit in with!
anyway feel free to let us know if you're interested on this thread!
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I was :x so I logged into the AVA.
I fell asleep in my chair (and even got a few more gray hairs) waiting in there last night. No "Operation Iceberg" :headscratch:
I must have been confused by this post http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,276390.msg3468344.html#msg3468344 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,276390.msg3468344.html#msg3468344)
Glad I wasn't holding my breath, too..............
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We are trying to resurrect the AVA. We are looking for some squads and individuals that would be interested in flying in the AVA. We already have a few squads that will start becoming a regular part of the AVA, but we are looking for more interested parties.
the focus will be on all the fun stuff. missions, basetaking, furballs and yes even a war! what we're asking is just a list of people that would be interested that we could contact and have direct contact with. its always open to everyone no matter what, but we just like to get an idea of interest.
we'd like bomber groups, fighter groups, escort groups, groups that like just axis or just allies. we'd like individuals also. don't feel you can join in if you're not part of a squad, we'd like you to try it out, you might find a squad that you could fit in with!
anyway feel free to let us know if you're interested on this thread!
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Good lord, between you and Jaeger we're getting to be a foreign language forum.
Bustr: Not everyone enjoys fighting people who are better than they are, I think we all appreciate that. Shifty and Jaeger have been poking and prodding people to come into the arena over the past few weeks, and those people appear to bring a wide range of experience - similar to the MAs. Come in and try it, you'll see what I mean. And thanks for keeping the comments pleasant.
Shuffler: No need to make fun of people who are working hard to achieve a good result. You're old and getting grouchy (ask me how I recognize the symptoms). Be nice.
Shifty and Jaeger: Keep doing what you're doing, it seems to be working, and everyone benefits when HTC is able to offer a lot of different choices in arenas.
- oldman (Mother Theresa? Geez. Here I was hoping for Clint Eastwood, or James Bond....)
lol Old yes grouchy maybe. But I adhere to the old saying fool me once, shame on you.... fool me twice, shame on me. History is all we have to learn by. Forget history and your doomed to repeat your mistakes.
I will say that I was in MW the other evening and Jaeger was cordial and as a group they have been fairly quiet. That is probably a good thing at this time. Only time will tell.
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We are trying to resurrect the AVA. We are looking for some squads and individuals that would be interested in flying in the AVA. We already have a few squads that will start becoming a regular part of the AVA, but we are looking for more interested parties.
the focus will be on all the fun stuff. missions, basetaking, furballs and yes even a war! what we're asking is just a list of people that would be interested that we could contact and have direct contact with. its always open to everyone no matter what, but we just like to get an idea of interest.
we'd like bomber groups, fighter groups, escort groups, groups that like just axis or just allies. we'd like individuals also. don't feel you can join in if you're not part of a squad, we'd like you to try it out, you might find a squad that you could fit in with!
anyway feel free to let us know if you're interested on this thread!
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:rofl its a game, nothing more...
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:rofl its a game, nothing more...
what shuffler is trying to say, is that if your "game" is disrupting the enjoyment of others, then it's not gonna work.
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we'd like bomber groups, fighter groups, escort groups, groups that like just axis or just allies. we'd like individuals also. don't feel you can join in if you're not part of a squad, we'd like you to try it out, you might find a squad that you could fit in with!
Imo and its just that, my opinion, dedicated bomber and or attack groups are key to getting numbers in the AvA.
Fighter pilots are a dime a dozen, they will come in limited numbers to duel or furball. But add bombers in the mix and the fighter pilots will have more to do than
cry about 1v1 fights and stroke their egos. They could still get their dueling fix by performing sweeps, escorting or attacking escorts and their bombers. It's one step closer to a true historical arena.
It's a win win for the fighters and the bombers imo, as both groups get to do what they like best.
However dedicated bomber groups in AH are in short supply and if they are treated the same as they were the last time they visited the AvA, then it will fail again and continue to be just a dueling arena with historical plane sets, which is still better than the MA imo.
YMMV
:salute
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We are trying to resurrect the AVA. We are looking for some squads and individuals that would be interested in flying in the AVA. We already have a few squads that will start becoming a regular part of the AVA, but we are looking for more interested parties.
the focus will be on all the fun stuff. missions, basetaking, furballs and yes even a war! what we're asking is just a list of people that would be interested that we could contact and have direct contact with. its always open to everyone no matter what, but we just like to get an idea of interest.
we'd like bomber groups, fighter groups, escort groups, groups that like just axis or just allies. we'd like individuals also. don't feel you can join in if you're not part of a squad, we'd like you to try it out, you might find a squad that you could fit in with!
anyway feel free to let us know if you're interested on this thread!
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We are trying to resurrect the AVA. We are looking for some squads and individuals that would be interested in flying in the AVA. We already have a few squads that will start becoming a regular part of the AVA, but we are looking for more interested parties.
the focus will be on all the fun stuff. missions, basetaking, furballs and yes even a war! what we're asking is just a list of people that would be interested that we could contact and have direct contact with. its always open to everyone no matter what, but we just like to get an idea of interest.
we'd like bomber groups, fighter groups, escort groups, groups that like just axis or just allies. we'd like individuals also. don't feel you can join in if you're not part of a squad, we'd like you to try it out, you might find a squad that you could fit in with!
anyway feel free to let us know if you're interested on this thread!
OCD ?
I was so interested that I showed up.
Unfortunately, "Operation Iceberg" did not.
How much more interest is needed? The only possible way would be to actually participate in the arena.
If the arena is not set-up, and the map not loaded (and yes I know it is set-up now, but not last night) how can anyone show how interested they actually are?
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We are trying to resurrect the.... We are looking for some squads and individuals that would be interested in flying in the..<yada yada>
anyway feel free to let us know if you're interested on this thread!
5 identical posts in the same thread, better than simple "punt". WTG
(See I'm helping you):)
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One born every minute.........
This one goes back to 1958. :D
Shuffler I'm not trying to fool you into thinking AVA is the next paradise. It never will be. I am asking for folks to let go of the junk and just come in and fly and see if we can get something going. If you're not interested that's your right and I respect that.
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Bustr, obviously you put a lot of effort into your two post. Next time stick your finger down your throat allowing your gag reflex to kick in and then vomit. The results will be very similar and you'll save yourself some time. :aok
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5 identical posts in the same thread, better than simple "punt". WTG
(See I'm helping you):)
I think hes doing that because some people cannot adhere to rule two.
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I think hes doing that because some people cannot adhere to rule two.
Watch it or I'll drive over there and drop a watermelon on your head. :P
mmMMMmmmm watermelon..........
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Watch it or I'll drive over there and drop a watermelon on your head. :P
mmMMMmmmm watermelon..........
uumm....wouldn't that be a waste of a perfectly good watermelon?
:noid :neener: :bolt:
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uumm....wouldn't that be a waste of a perfectly good watermelon?
:noid :neener: :bolt:
He's in Hempstead Texas. Around here that is considered the watermelon capital of Texas.
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Imo and its just that, my opinion, dedicated bomber and or attack groups are key to getting numbers in the AvA.
:salute
Problem is, the side switching allowed during the war setups to find us (bomber groups) to use us as easy score meat pretty much sealed the deal. Lock the sides and make it squads only for events, and I'll happily fly there every week.
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Problem is, the side switching allowed during the war setups to find us (bomber groups) to use us as easy score meat pretty much sealed the deal. Lock the sides and make it squads only for events, and I'll happily fly there every week.
i thought ll of that stopped?
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Guys,
Over the years of playing Aces High, the only reason I've gone into the CT or AvA was on the off chance Oldman would be playing. I'm probably old, jaded, and a card carrying memeber of the grouchy old guys club. But Oldman always treated everyone in the arena with a positive atttiude and a positive comment in his salutes. He was even positive while castigating the unruley player, sqweeker to uber and the majority of the time gained complinace. The respect from the community for him helped keep the peace in the AvA. It was like being back in Air Warrior getting shot down by 999000's B17. Oldman is more quiet in the MA's, but 999000 makes up for both of them.
Based on modern business Psycodynamics, Oldman is accorded by the AvA community an informal leadership role and accepts his arbitration in squabbles. Lacking clear direction or goals groups of people will naturaly without realising it elect a member of their group to an informal leadership role to provide stability. :old: :neener: :old:
I want this endevore to succeed because I am able from experience to make the poorly welcomed observations in my first reply. Oldman as usual is his polite reserved self in his reply to my comments. I enjoyed FSO when I was with the 56th except for the long periods stuck in a chair. I can see AvA's GOOD potential to giving those who enjoy FSO and scenarios a daily slice of that action. But the FSO and scenarios have a special quality by which players for a short time put aside their MA and other tendancies to work as teams for a common goal. A chain of command on each side supported by a respected moderator team. Authority figures to arbitrate or eject from the arena in real time.
I am eager to observe your strategy for inviteing and inspireing the scenario frame of mind in a 2 country arena with minimal supervision as opposed to "Bambi and the Greifers" vs. "The Grizzly Bears and the Crips" on the personal honor system. You would be surprised how the anonymous social dynamics and solutions or failures to them in this game are mirrors of real world business environments. Shifty you have just become the HR manager of the AvA business concern.................. :bolt:
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I am eager to observe your strategy for inviteing and inspireing the scenario frame of mind in a 2 country arena with minimal supervision as opposed to "Bambi and the Greifers" vs. "The Grizzly Bears and the Crips" on the personal honor system. You would be surprised how the anonymous social dynamics and solutions or failures to them in this game are mirrors of real world business environments. Shifty you have just become the HR manager of the AvA business concern.................. :bolt:
Shifty and Jaeger have both been working very hard to bring new folks into the arena, and it seems to me that a lot of people have put aside their old grievances to try for a new start. I think that's really amazing, and a robust compliment to the character of the people who play this game. Let's keep it going.
- oldman (and Bustr, thank you very much for the very nice, and very undeserved personal comments)