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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: juzz on June 08, 2001, 08:44:00 AM
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(http://www.il2center.com/Allied/Soviet/14/01.jpg)
I know what you're thinking. Did he fire six thousand, two hundred and forty eight shots - or only six thousand, two hundred and forty seven? Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement, I've kinda lost track myself. But being as these are 88 PPSh-41's, the most submachineguns fitted to any aircraft in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya PUNK?!
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*click, click, click*
:D
Seriously..what was the purpose of this..err..unique setup? Transporting the guns to the front?
Sascha
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I smell a perk plane! :D
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Just wondering who came up with this idiocy? PPSh fired small (pistol size) 0.30 round which would probably take you head off at close range but would be totally useless at any distance... I'd also hate to be a reloader on this sucker :D
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It was used to aerate the base commander's lawn.
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I gots to know!
...and I gots to have one! :D
SOB
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You should see the one of a Lancaster with a belly full of Enfields and Brens.
Those are parachute packs, right?
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well, if you think about it.. even a 22 cal. pistol bullet fired from 20k will make a damn hole on a person. Add dispersion..and a small formation of these planes...
and you get a damn good infantry support weapon :) :)
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very strange..what could this do that 14000lbs of bombs couldnt?
maybe it was used to stop those fighters that flew up vertical to hit the bombers belly?
heh big suprise when they opened up! :D
My theory is its a german fireman killer.After they drop thousands of incideries this baby flies over and mows the poor firemen down <snicker> after all those poor 78 year old firefighters were future SS when hitler drafted the poor sods into the army gave them a tin hat and a panzerfaust and told em to stop the russian army :) right? :D
Superfly add it add it :)
[ 06-08-2001: Message edited by: hazed- ]
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An early attempt at VTOL.
ra
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IIRC it was designed to be flown over german coloumns of supply trucks and horse and wagons. At 1,000 ft or so the danger from one pass is fairly minimal to the bomber but with 88 guns spitting lead out the effect on the road, vehicles and horses below looked somewhat like an organic pincushion. :D
BTW I think all the guns were linked to a common hopper holding enough ammo for 20 secs continuous fire. Since the PPSH was fairly resistant to jamming it worked ok.
BTW this is a shot of the test bed- the system looked different later.
[ 06-09-2001: Message edited by: Sorrow[S=A] ]
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Hmm, I prefer my guns to fire ahead, rather than down. :)
Anyone for the 20+ gun version of the b25? (75mm might be fun too. )
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hmmm Tupolev...
[ 06-09-2001: Message edited by: Staga ]
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I can only go on what I've seen carried in the Lanc to be dropped to the French Resistence.
Basically the same set up, paracrates that dropped out of the belly where the drop point was arranged for whatever ever military/resistance group needed them.
If they could fire like that, I'd love to meet the guy who figured out how to remotely activate 88 trigger devices, or reload each of the drum magazines on each PPSh. :D
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It's a Tu-2FT.
FT stands for "Frontovoye Trebovanie" - "Frontline Request".
AFAIK it was supposed to be used on "shturmovka" (ground attack) against enemy trenches.
Let me recalculate it. 88 PPSh each fireing 1000 bullets per minute, it's 88 thousand bullets each minute! Or - 1467 bullets per second. 10 times more then modern Gryazev's 6-barrel gatling without the slow-down device...
If the plane moves at 400 km/h (111m/s) and fires this monster - it equals 13 bullets per meter... Pretty hard to miss anything bigger then a cat.
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And..umm..exactly why is this better than cluster bombs? :)
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Lol!..And what's the rate of climb as you fire that sucker?
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Wasn't somethiong similar tried by the LW? I seem to remember an FW modified to fire ordance verticaly down, triggered by an optic cell as an anti-armour weapon, in the same way some Me 162's were modified with opticaly triggered ordinance to bring buffs down..
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Seeker, Soviet Army had antitank cluster bombs that worked exactly as you described: the bomb with long-focus cumulative charge rotated on the chute "scanning" for target. I don't know if these bombs were in shturmovik (Su-25) regiments, but I studied it in college. We studied many usefull devices that were never used in he Army, even in Afghanistan.
Santa, it was a "frontline request". Frontline warriors (frontoviki) were supposed to know some things better then designers. Anyway, this device never was in mass production, so, probably cluster bombs were more effective and cheaper. AFAIR USSR had only antitank cluster bombs during GPW, so this device could be a nice substitute.
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Originally posted by StSanta:
And..umm..exactly why is this better than cluster bombs? :)
Because it looks cooler and I bet it was scary as hell to see that thing flying over you.
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Can u imagine that thing with a Stuka siren?..:eek:
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[Sam.L.Jackson] When you absolutely, posatively, have to turn EVERY mother****er in a convoy into hamburger... Accept no substitutions. [/Sam.L.Jackson]
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looks like it owuld be great for killing bombers too....
swoop down over the top of them, you might take a few pings, but muhahahaha what a downpour of shells ; )
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Sorry, you can't fool this newbie. That is multiple sets of bagpipes ready to go into action. Unless you're of good Scots heritage, the effect would be more devastating than any of the above-suggested devices.
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Checklist
Step 1: Open Bomb Bay before firing
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I remember this thread; I started it - 4 years ago... :eek:
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I would of made 'Frankenstein' or 'Zombie' references earlier, but I liked the Samuel L Jackson paraphrasing better.
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Don't know about the German's using a down firing MG mod for planes. I did read about night fighter 110's that had UP firing MGs. These were used to fly underneath bombers in the dark of night and let loose into the belly of the enemy planes. Pretty crafty, but some tricky flying for that one...
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Make them face exactly the opposite and you'll have the first RATO every build
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I dunno about rato, but it would be a damned effective method of scrubbing the tire marks off the runway...
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Originally posted by -lynx-
I'd also hate to be a reloader on this sucker :D
I'd rather do that than calibrate them all!
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Somehow, i think that anyone loading the bay with nearly 100 submachine guns -- so they could fire downward all at once while travelling 200 mph -- would not be too concerned about the calibration.....
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"Machines Guns in the Bomb Bay" was tried in a lot of places. Don't think I ever saw/heard of an example that made it to the production line though.
Now for "Pappy" Gunn's exceptional contributions to the war effort with the B‑25. It was Pappy who put the 4 forward firing 50 caliber machine guns in the bombardier's compartment of B‑25 and 4 fifty caliber machine guns on the sides in two gun packages one each side of the navigators compartment.
He first tried using 30 water cooled 30 caliber machine guns in the bomb bay pointing straight downs to strafe troops in their trenches. The vibration peeled the skin or at least loosened the skin around the bomb bay so that project was abandoned.
38th Bombardment Group pilot Roy Lee Grover remembers about "Pappy" and the B-25: (http://www.armyairforces.com/forum/m_70063/mpage_2/tm.htm#76735)
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Originally posted by Swarmed
Don't know about the German's using a down firing MG mod for planes. I did read about night fighter 110's that had UP firing MGs. These were used to fly underneath bombers in the dark of night and let loose into the belly of the enemy planes. Pretty crafty, but some tricky flying for that one...
they also thought about using automatic firing cannon or rockets on their jet/rocket fighters, iirc a sensor detected when a bomber was directly overhead and it auto fired upwards.